From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 4 23:36:29 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Survey Now Available Message-ID: A survey is now available so that you can express your interest in support for particular devices, or conduits to particular applications. (And if there are other questions you think we should ask, please let us know). See Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From martyn at theCommunications.biz Thu Feb 6 09:02:58 2003 From: martyn at theCommunications.biz (Martyn Barr) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] PocketMac Message-ID: Currently using PocketMac to sync with my Mac and hate it - it's so unreliable and the iCal sync is derisory!!! Hoping Missing Sync will blow it away! When will it be available? Martyn Barr From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 6 01:28:30 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] PocketMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Currently using PocketMac to sync with my Mac and hate it - it's so >unreliable and the iCal sync is derisory!!! Hoping Missing Sync will >blow it away! When will it be available? We have not announced a ship date yet, but we will be posting some more details (as to what features the 1.0 will have that we have not already mentioned) very soon. We will post a note to this list as soon as the web page has been updated. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From martyn at theCommunications.biz Thu Feb 6 09:37:00 2003 From: martyn at theCommunications.biz (Martyn Barr) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] PocketMac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8ACBF9F8-39B6-11D7-9874-0003938109C2@theCommunications.biz> Brian Shouldn't you be in bed asleep at this hour??? :) Thanks for such a quick response. I'm really looking forward to seeing the PocketPC version of Missing Sync. Martyn On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 09:28 am, Brian Hall wrote: >> Currently using PocketMac to sync with my Mac and hate it - it's so >> unreliable and the iCal sync is derisory!!! Hoping Missing Sync will >> blow it away! When will it be available? > > We have not announced a ship date yet, but we will be posting some more > details (as to what features the 1.0 will have that we have not already > mentioned) very soon. We will post a note to this list as soon as the > web > page has been updated. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > Martyn IMPACT Communications 125 Blean Common, Blean, Canterbury, Kent CT2 9JH, UK Tel: 01227 450022 Fax: 01227 454443 Mobile: 0773 443 5097 Web: www.theCommunications.biz From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 6 02:00:19 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] PocketMac In-Reply-To: <8ACBF9F8-39B6-11D7-9874-0003938109C2@theCommunications.biz> References: <8ACBF9F8-39B6-11D7-9874-0003938109C2@theCommunications.biz> Message-ID: >Shouldn't you be in bed asleep at this hour??? :) Yes, I should. I just got back from the airport so I needed to check my email, unpack and unwind. I'd say that it was because of the time zone change, but it was the reverse direction, so I should be *more* tired, not less. >Thanks for such a quick response. I'm really looking forward to seeing >the PocketPC version of Missing Sync. I think everyone will be quite pleased. We're listening to everyone, even if sometimes our responses seem a bit terse (we have received ALOT of email since the announcement at Macworld, which is why we are now pointing everyone towards this list). We added a survey yesterday. There is a link to it at http://www.markspace.com/pocketpcpreview.html You can use it to let us know what handhelds you would like to see supported, as well as what applications you would like to see supported by our "conduits". Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From jbauder at mac.com Thu Feb 6 10:07:03 2003 From: jbauder at mac.com (jbauder@mac.com) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Killer App: Make it work with Sprint/Verizon 3G service and it will rule In-Reply-To: <200302061702.h16H2td11005@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: Hey all, I know from looking at the "maccellphone" list on Yahoo! groups that many would love to use a phone/handheld as their modem, and Sprint/Verizon's 3G service, at up to 144k/sec, is better than a 56k modem and can approach Ricochet speeds. If there was a bundle or an add-on of support for using these devices as modems, that would make it compelling software for a lot of people. And Sprint's service is unlimited data for as low as $40/month! I'm excited with mine (Toshiba 2032) but would rather use my laptop than that small screen and a little keyboard for email on the road. Not sure how hard that would be to do (apparently easy with a Sanyo phone, and 10.2.3 has drivers for "Sprint Vision Modem") but it would be a Killer App. Thanks, Joe From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 6 11:54:36 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Killer App: Make it work with Sprint/Verizon 3G service and it will rule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Hey all, > I know from looking at the "maccellphone" list on Yahoo! groups that >many would love to use a phone/handheld as their modem, and Sprint/Verizon's >3G service, at up to 144k/sec, is better than a 56k modem and can approach >Ricochet speeds. If there was a bundle or an add-on of support for using >these devices as modems, that would make it compelling software for a lot of >people. And Sprint's service is unlimited data for as low as $40/month! >I'm excited with mine (Toshiba 2032) but would rather use my laptop than >that small screen and a little keyboard for email on the road. Not sure how >hard that would be to do (apparently easy with a Sanyo phone, and 10.2.3 has >drivers for "Sprint Vision Modem") but it would be a Killer App. Scott Gruby (one of the fine engineers on Missing Sync) has an app he developed that does just that. It is called Wireless Modem. See http://www.notifymail.com/palm/wmodem/ Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From sgruby at markspace.com Thu Feb 6 11:57:08 2003 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Killer App: Make it work with Sprint/Verizon 3G service and it will rule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2C920820-3A0D-11D7-9546-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 11:54 AM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Hey all, >> I know from looking at the "maccellphone" list on Yahoo! groups >> that >> many would love to use a phone/handheld as their modem, and >> Sprint/Verizon's >> 3G service, at up to 144k/sec, is better than a 56k modem and can >> approach >> Ricochet speeds. If there was a bundle or an add-on of support for >> using >> these devices as modems, that would make it compelling software for a >> lot of >> people. And Sprint's service is unlimited data for as low as >> $40/month! >> I'm excited with mine (Toshiba 2032) but would rather use my laptop >> than >> that small screen and a little keyboard for email on the road. Not >> sure how >> hard that would be to do (apparently easy with a Sanyo phone, and >> 10.2.3 has >> drivers for "Sprint Vision Modem") but it would be a Killer App. > > Scott Gruby (one of the fine engineers on Missing Sync) has an app he > developed that does just that. It is called Wireless Modem. See > http://www.notifymail.com/palm/wmodem/ > Unfortunately, it only runs on the Treo (Palm OS based). I don't think it would be that difficult for a PocketPC developer (I write Palm OS software) to write something similar. However, I'm not going to reveal any information about how WirelessModem was developed. From jbauder at mac.com Tue Feb 18 09:43:28 2003 From: jbauder at mac.com (jbauder@mac.com) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Sprint Vision service with Pocket PC = No Dice. In-Reply-To: <200302071701.h17H14d10924@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: Hey all, Well, I have tried to get it working and No Luck. Even on the PC, using (IIRC) SnapDialer there is no support for dialing through this Pocket PC. I assume that the choice of "Sprint PCS Vision" modem in 10.2.4's Modem system pref is for one of those PCMCIA jobs. I'm hesitant to spend $240 or so for one of those modems with no guarantee it will work. Reason I didn't get the Treo was 1)seemed underpowered for web access, and 2)my perceived lack of a keyboard. Email on a PDA without a full-sized keyboard is pretty wonky - makes me want to run home and write real email ASAP. But I guess you can get a wireless IRDA keyboard for them now. Makes me wish I had time to develop programmer's chops, Joe PS: Still eagerly awaiting Missing Sync for PPC. Have 256mb Secure Digital card to fill up with tunes, photos, whatever. > people. And Sprint's service is unlimited data for as low as $40/month! > I'm excited with mine (Toshiba 2032) but would rather use my laptop than > that small screen and a little keyboard for email on the road. Not sure how > hard that would be to do (apparently easy with a Sanyo phone, and 10.2.3 has > drivers for "Sprint Vision Modem") but it would be a Killer App. > > Thanks, > Joe > > > Scott Gruby (one of the fine engineers on Missing Sync) has an app he > developed that does just that. It is called Wireless Modem. See > http://www.notifymail.com/palm/wmodem/ > > Brian > > -- >> > > Unfortunately, it only runs on the Treo (Palm OS based). I don't think > it would be that difficult for a PocketPC developer (I write Palm OS > software) to write something similar. However, I'm not going to reveal > any information about how WirelessModem was developed. > > ------------------------------ From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 18 11:14:03 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: [missing-sync-clie-talk] PPC conduits Message-ID: >People over at PocketMac forum >http://discuss.cewindows.net/ubb/Forum46/HTML/000259.html are abuzz with >the rumors of the upcoming MissingSync for PPC. There are many questions: >1) Will it be free for MissingSync customers? No, it will not be free. This has been, and will be, a *significant* financial, time, and resource investment on the part of Mark/Space. Not meaning to sound harsh here, but this IS a business. The (perhaps not obvious) advantage is that a profitable product is a healthy product (gets updated, upgraded, supported, etc). It is in our mutual interest for this "virtuous cycle" to be present. Pricing to be determined. We may offer updgrade/sidegrade discounts. This is under internal discussion/review. I can say with certainty we won't charge *more* than PocketMac, nor *less* than the CLIE version of Missing Sync ;-) >2) Will it provide Entourage syncing? Not in the 1.0. Although we realize this is a very popular request and it is high on the list (if not at the top!) for what we do after 1.0. Our goal is to provide a robust and stable experience. We add new features after existing ones are stable. Similar to the CLIE where we had 1.0, 2.0 then 3.0 and each major release added major new functionality. >3) What other conduits are planned? For sure: Datebook -> iCal Task -> iCal Contacts -> Address.app Very likely part of 1.0 (TBD): Notes (both text and bitmap) -> Our own note app Backup High Priority, but NOT part of 1.0: Entourage (Sure, it *could* be part of 1.0, but then you'd all be waiting longer for 1.0!) >4) How will it differ from PocketMac? The features other than PIM sync - iTunes/iPhoto support, desktop mounting (this is a BIG feature - you treat the device like a hard drive, so you can save to it from apps, double click on files to open them on the mac, use the finder to copy, backup programs to do backups, etc). Screen shots of these truly unique features are at the preview page, http://www.markspace.com/pocketpcpreview.html We also have international and US distribution (online and retail), advertise and do trade shows, have experience in multiple language/localization/support (we currently do English/Japanese/French/German for CLIE Missing Sync), etc etc. This is an exciting new product, and we're looking forward to the release! Thanks for your support. Brian From xenafan at teleport.com Tue Feb 18 17:44:25 2003 From: xenafan at teleport.com (Lilia Lopez) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: [missing-sync-clie-talk] PPC conduits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just glad that Miss Sync will work with Apple. Thanks for making this software. Just want to know if Dell's pda's will be supported? From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 18 17:47:24 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: Dell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Just glad that Miss Sync will work with Apple. Thanks for making this >software. Just want to know if Dell's pda's will be supported? We will have a list of supported devices as we near shipping. We are doing our own internal development/testing at the moment with a variety of iPaqs. We will be sure to test with Dell and other popular handhelds as time moves on. In general, a device that uses ActiveSync protocol over USB to a PC will also be supported by the Mac via Missing Sync for Pocket PC. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From Johnny_Turner at cox.net Tue Feb 25 19:36:21 2003 From: Johnny_Turner at cox.net (Johnny Turner) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] I'm ready Message-ID: <171ACF3C-4933-11D7-8375-00039375C80A@cox.net> Just wanted to state that when your product is ready, I'm ready to buy. I have tried PocketMac version 1 and version 2. It's still a disappointment. Johnny From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 25 18:44:15 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] I'm ready In-Reply-To: <171ACF3C-4933-11D7-8375-00039375C80A@cox.net> References: <171ACF3C-4933-11D7-8375-00039375C80A@cox.net> Message-ID: >Just wanted to state that when your product is ready, I'm ready to buy. > I have tried PocketMac version 1 and version 2. It's still a >disappointment. Don't worry. While we may be quiet, we're hard at work. (We're also reading all the surveys that come in and taking them into account) Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From alaskatora at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 19:15:22 2003 From: alaskatora at yahoo.com (Natalie Piispanen) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] So when??? Message-ID: <20030226031522.59807.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Is there any estimation - or even a hint - of when the first version will be released? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk/attachments/20030225/02959145/attachment.htm From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 25 20:25:18 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] So when??? In-Reply-To: <20030226031522.59807.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030226031522.59807.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Is there any estimation - or even a hint - of when the first version will >be released? Here is the current email we send out when we get questions about the date, betas, etc: Thank you for your interest and feedback. To join a mailing list to receive information as it becomes available, please sign up for missing-sync-pocketpc-talk at http://lists.markspace.com For all announced information, please see http://www.markspace.com/pocketpcpreview.html Frquently Asked Questions: Q: When will it be released? A: We have not set a specific release date yet, although we are targeting 2nd calendar quarter 2003. Q: Are you accepting beta testers? A: Not at this time. Q: Will you support Entourage? A: We will most likely do this after the initial 1.0 is released. It will not be part of the 1.0 release. The 1.0 release will focus on the iApps (iCal, Address.app, iTunes, iPhoto) Thank you for your interest! -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From v-erlev at microsoft.com Tue Feb 25 22:06:59 2003 From: v-erlev at microsoft.com (Eric Levine (Write Image Limited)) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] I'm ready Message-ID: Surveys? What surveys? I'll take a survey about this Eric L -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hall [mailto:brian_hall@markspace.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:44 PM To: The Missing Sync (Mac/Pocket PC) >Just wanted to state that when your product is ready, I'm ready to buy. > I have tried PocketMac version 1 and version 2. It's still a >disappointment. Don't worry. While we may be quiet, we're hard at work. (We're also reading all the surveys that come in and taking them into account) Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 _______________________________________________ missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 25 22:20:49 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Surveys? What surveys? I'll take a survey about this There is a link to the survey near the top of the preview page: http://www.markspace.com/pocketpcpreview.html We have been getting some great feedback, and enough ideas to keep us going till version 5.0 at least ;-) The direct link for the survey is: http://www.markspace.com/survey_missingsync_ppc.html Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From duncanh at drummers.com Wed Feb 26 15:26:46 2003 From: duncanh at drummers.com (Duncan L. Hoffman) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install Message-ID: I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? -- -- -- -- Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it still remains so popular? Steven Wright From brian_hall at markspace.com Wed Feb 26 13:44:30 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do >you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, a ZIP file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging that more. For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see what the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). We're open to suggestions on the topic. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From duncanh at drummers.com Wed Feb 26 15:51:49 2003 From: duncanh at drummers.com (Duncan L. Hoffman) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. If only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using Virtual PC!! On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do >> you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, >> .zip)? > > One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, > a ZIP > file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging > that more. > > For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see > what > the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). > We're open to suggestions on the topic. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > -- -- -- -- Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. Steven Wright From brian_hall at markspace.com Wed Feb 26 14:00:06 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> References: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> Message-ID: >Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very hit or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too many support issues and frustrated customers. > If >only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >Virtual PC!! That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns the product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be interesting to see where it goes. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From duncanh at drummers.com Wed Feb 26 16:21:53 2003 From: duncanh at drummers.com (Duncan L. Hoffman) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <78C5ED38-49E9-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> I didn't catch that news, Microsoft will probably kill it! On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > hit > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > many support issues and frustrated customers. > >> If >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >> Virtual PC!! > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > the > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > interesting > to see where it goes. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > There's no pleasure in having nothing to do, the fun is in having lots to do and choosing not to do it -- Mary Little Wilson From noj at noj.port5.com Thu Feb 27 00:06:40 2003 From: noj at noj.port5.com (noj) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41CC031E-4A11-11D7-A50E-000393C77EBC@noj.port5.com> I usually can't think of positive (and plausible) scenarios that involve Microsoft, but here's one that might be nice: With the development of the PocketPC version of Missing Sync, the second, to my knowledge, program to use a PocketPC handheld with Macs, Microsoft might think to develop things that would fill the gap between PocketPC handheld software and Missing Sync software. For instance, since Microsoft has such a long (and large) history of making Mac software (albeit not the most elegantly designed Mac software), it might be well worth the presumably miniscule time for Microsoft to develop a little piece of software that would help with the installation process of PocketPC programs being installed from a Mac. Or, they could just develop software built into PocketPC that would run installers, etc., so that ANY platform that people use to transfer info onto the PocketPC handheld would work. Since Microsoft wouldn't have to work on the major syncing program for Mac (including interface, etc.) they might see this as an easy in to the Mac market for the PocketPC. --jonathan On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > hit > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > many support issues and frustrated customers. > >> If >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >> Virtual PC!! > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > the > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > interesting > to see where it goes. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > From stephan at legend44.com Thu Feb 27 08:03:19 2003 From: stephan at legend44.com (Stephan Szpak-Fleet) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just an idea... you could write a C program for the pocket PC itself... upload the cab to the Pocket PC then have the windows CE environment do the extracting? is this crazy? On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > hit > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > many support issues and frustrated customers. > >> If >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >> Virtual PC!! > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > the > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > interesting > to see where it goes. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > --- Stephan Szpak-Fleet stephan@legend44.com 323 620 2206 From jgrubic at bozeman.k12.mt.us Thu Feb 27 10:18:09 2003 From: jgrubic at bozeman.k12.mt.us (James Grubic) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: program install References: <200302271702.h1RH2Wd27880@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <3E5E4851.4050408@bozeman.k12.mt.us> > We don't want to create a solution that works 1/2 the time. Or even > 90% of the time. It would just generate too many support issues and > frustrated customers. I disagree. I think 90% wouldn't be such a bad thing. You can make the cab extraction program a separate download with the disclaimer "this program is made available for registered users with no support or guarantee of any kind", etc. Right now, having to connect to this Windows laptop to do a software install is not pleasant. I know I could use VirtualPC but I only have v4 which doesn't work under X. I've been able to do a small percentage of installs directly from a CompactFlash card with CAB files, but not much software is distributed in this format it seems. James From manuelplascencia at hotmail.com Thu Feb 27 14:47:57 2003 From: manuelplascencia at hotmail.com (manny p) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 Message-ID: If I am correct , OSX does not need to handle CAB's anyways , CAB's are usually PocketPC Installer files. However if you do insists in having OSX extract CAB's there is a Package available via Fink ,called " cabextract " which is free since its open source. I recommend getting fink to install it for you http://fink.sourceforge.net/ If you want to compile it your self get the files here http://www.kyz.uklinux.net/cabextract.php3 So you see I dont think you have to worry about CAB's Manny >From: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-request@lists.markspace.com >Reply-To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >Subject: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:02:30 -0500 > >Send missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-pocketpc-talk digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > 2. Re: program install (Brian Hall) > 3. Re: program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > 4. Re: program install (Brian Hall) > 5. Re: program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > 6. Re: program install (noj) > 7. Re: program install (Stephan Szpak-Fleet) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:26:46 -0800 >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 1 > >I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do >you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? > > >-- -- -- -- >Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it still remains so >popular? > >Steven Wright > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:44:30 -0800 >From: Brian Hall >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: >References: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 2 > > >I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do > >you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? > >One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, a ZIP >file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging >that more. > >For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see what >the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). >We're open to suggestions on the topic. > >Brian > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 >540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 >Los Gatos, CA 95030 >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:51:49 -0800 >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> >In-Reply-To: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 3 > >Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. If >only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >Virtual PC!! >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > >> I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do > >> you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, > >> .zip)? > > > > One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, > > a ZIP > > file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging > > that more. > > > > For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see > > what > > the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). > > We're open to suggestions on the topic. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > >-- -- -- -- >Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's >population. > >Steven Wright > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:00:06 -0800 >From: Brian Hall >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> >References: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 4 > > >Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > >Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very hit >or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o >actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that >works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too >many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > If > >only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >Virtual PC!! > >That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns the >product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be interesting >to see where it goes. > >Brian > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 >540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 >Los Gatos, CA 95030 >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:21:53 -0800 >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: <78C5ED38-49E9-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> >In-Reply-To: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 5 > >I didn't catch that news, Microsoft will probably kill it! >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > hit > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > >> If > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > the > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > interesting > > to see where it goes. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > >There's no pleasure in having nothing to do, the fun is in having lots >to do and choosing not to do it -- Mary Little Wilson > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:06:40 -0500 >From: noj >To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Pocket PC)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: <41CC031E-4A11-11D7-A50E-000393C77EBC@noj.port5.com> >In-Reply-To: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 6 > >I usually can't think of positive (and plausible) scenarios that >involve Microsoft, but here's one that might be nice: >With the development of the PocketPC version of Missing Sync, the >second, to my knowledge, program to use a PocketPC handheld with Macs, >Microsoft might think to develop things that would fill the gap between >PocketPC handheld software and Missing Sync software. For instance, >since Microsoft has such a long (and large) history of making Mac >software (albeit not the most elegantly designed Mac software), it >might be well worth the presumably miniscule time for Microsoft to >develop a little piece of software that would help with the >installation process of PocketPC programs being installed from a Mac. >Or, they could just develop software built into PocketPC that would run >installers, etc., so that ANY platform that people use to transfer info >onto the PocketPC handheld would work. >Since Microsoft wouldn't have to work on the major syncing program for >Mac (including interface, etc.) they might see this as an easy in to >the Mac market for the PocketPC. >--jonathan > > >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > hit > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > >> If > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > the > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > interesting > > to see where it goes. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:03:19 -0800 >From: Stephan Szpak-Fleet >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 7 > >Just an idea... you could write a C program for the pocket PC itself... >upload the cab to the Pocket PC then have the windows CE environment do >the extracting? > >is this crazy? > > >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > hit > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > >> If > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > the > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > interesting > > to see where it goes. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > >--- > >Stephan Szpak-Fleet >stephan@legend44.com >323 620 2206 > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list >missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > >End of missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 >******************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jmitchell29 at nyc.rr.com Fri Feb 28 01:06:08 2003 From: jmitchell29 at nyc.rr.com (Joseph Mitchell) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: <41CC031E-4A11-11D7-A50E-000393C77EBC@noj.port5.com> Message-ID: On 2/27/03 12:06 AM, "noj" wrote: > I usually can't think of positive (and plausible) scenarios that > involve Microsoft, but here's one that might be nice: > With the development of the PocketPC version of Missing Sync, the > second, to my knowledge, program to use a PocketPC handheld with Macs, > Microsoft might think to develop things that would fill the gap between > PocketPC handheld software and Missing Sync software. For instance, > since Microsoft has such a long (and large) history of making Mac > software (albeit not the most elegantly designed Mac software), it > might be well worth the presumably miniscule time for Microsoft to > develop a little piece of software that would help with the > installation process of PocketPC programs being installed from a Mac. > Or, they could just develop software built into PocketPC that would run > installers, etc., so that ANY platform that people use to transfer info > onto the PocketPC handheld would work. > Since Microsoft wouldn't have to work on the major syncing program for > Mac (including interface, etc.) they might see this as an easy in to > the Mac market for the PocketPC. > --jonathan > > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > >>> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. >> >> Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very >> hit >> or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o >> actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that >> works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too >> many support issues and frustrated customers. >> >>> If >>> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >>> Virtual PC!! >> >> That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns >> the >> product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be >> interesting >> to see where it goes. >> >> Brian >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 >> 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 >> Los Gatos, CA 95030 >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk This might sound crazy, but how about creating a PDA MAC. I know I they have the IPOD, but it is no where near a Pocket PC. A large and open market since MAC has the best operating system on the market. From manuelplascencia at hotmail.com Fri Feb 28 09:28:14 2003 From: manuelplascencia at hotmail.com (manny p) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7 Message-ID: >From: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-request@lists.markspace.com >Reply-To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >Subject: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7 >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:02:54 -0500 > >Send missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-pocketpc-talk digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: program install (James Grubic) > 2. > Re: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 (manny p) > 3. Re: program install (Joseph Mitchell) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:18:09 -0700 >From: James Grubic >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: program install >Message-ID: <3E5E4851.4050408@bozeman.k12.mt.us> >References: <200302271702.h1RH2Wd27880@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: jgrubic@bozeman.k12.mt.us, "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 1 > > > We don't want to create a solution that works 1/2 the time. Or even > > 90% of the time. It would just generate too many support issues and > > frustrated customers. > >I disagree. I think 90% wouldn't be such a bad thing. You can make the >cab extraction program a separate download with the disclaimer "this >program is made available for registered users with no support or >guarantee of any kind", etc. > >Right now, having to connect to this Windows laptop to do a software >install is not pleasant. I know I could use VirtualPC but I only have v4 >which doesn't work under X. I've been able to do a small percentage of >installs directly from a CompactFlash card with CAB files, but not much >software is distributed in this format it seems. > > > >James > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:47:57 -0800 >From: "manny p" >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] > Re: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 2 > >If I am correct , OSX does not need to handle CAB's anyways , CAB's are >usually PocketPC Installer files. > >However if you do insists in having OSX extract CAB's there is a Package >available via Fink ,called " cabextract " which is free since its open >source. > >I recommend getting fink to install it for you >http://fink.sourceforge.net/ > >If you want to compile it your self get the files here >http://www.kyz.uklinux.net/cabextract.php3 > >So you see I dont think you have to worry about CAB's > >Manny > > > > > >From: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > >Reply-To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > >Subject: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:02:30 -0500 > > > >Send missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list submissions to > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-pocketpc-talk digest..." > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > > 2. Re: program install (Brian Hall) > > 3. Re: program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > > 4. Re: program install (Brian Hall) > > 5. Re: program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > > 6. Re: program install (noj) > > 7. Re: program install (Stephan Szpak-Fleet) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:26:46 -0800 > >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" > >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > >Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Precedence: list > >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Message: 1 > > > >I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do > >you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? > > > > > >-- -- -- -- > >Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it still remains so > >popular? > > > >Steven Wright > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:44:30 -0800 > >From: Brian Hall > >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install > >Message-ID: > >In-Reply-To: > >References: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Precedence: list > >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Message: 2 > > > > >I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do > > >you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, >.zip)? > > > >One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, a >ZIP > >file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging > >that more. > > > >For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see >what > >the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). > >We're open to suggestions on the topic. > > > >Brian > > > >-- > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > >540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > >Los Gatos, CA 95030 > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:51:49 -0800 > >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" > >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install > >Message-ID: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> > >In-Reply-To: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Precedence: list > >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Message: 3 > > > >Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. If > >only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >Virtual PC!! > >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > > > >> I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do > > >> you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, > > >> .zip)? > > > > > > One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, > > > a ZIP > > > file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on >encouraging > > > that more. > > > > > > For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see > > > what > > > the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type >program). > > > We're open to suggestions on the topic. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > -- > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > > > > >-- -- -- -- > >Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's > >population. > > > >Steven Wright > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:00:06 -0800 > >From: Brian Hall > >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install > >Message-ID: > >In-Reply-To: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> > >References: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Precedence: list > >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Message: 4 > > > > >Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > >Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very hit > >or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > >actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > >works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > >many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > > > If > > >only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > > >Virtual PC!! > > > >That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns >the > >product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be >interesting > >to see where it goes. > > > >Brian > > > >-- > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > >540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > >Los Gatos, CA 95030 > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:21:53 -0800 > >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" > >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install > >Message-ID: <78C5ED38-49E9-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> > >In-Reply-To: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Precedence: list > >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Message: 5 > > > >I didn't catch that news, Microsoft will probably kill it! > >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > > hit > > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file >w/o > > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate >too > > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > > > >> If > > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > > the > > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > > interesting > > > to see where it goes. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > -- > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > > > > >There's no pleasure in having nothing to do, the fun is in having lots > >to do and choosing not to do it -- Mary Little Wilson > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:06:40 -0500 > >From: noj > >To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Pocket PC)" > > > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install > >Message-ID: <41CC031E-4A11-11D7-A50E-000393C77EBC@noj.port5.com> > >In-Reply-To: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Precedence: list > >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Message: 6 > > > >I usually can't think of positive (and plausible) scenarios that > >involve Microsoft, but here's one that might be nice: > >With the development of the PocketPC version of Missing Sync, the > >second, to my knowledge, program to use a PocketPC handheld with Macs, > >Microsoft might think to develop things that would fill the gap between > >PocketPC handheld software and Missing Sync software. For instance, > >since Microsoft has such a long (and large) history of making Mac > >software (albeit not the most elegantly designed Mac software), it > >might be well worth the presumably miniscule time for Microsoft to > >develop a little piece of software that would help with the > >installation process of PocketPC programs being installed from a Mac. > >Or, they could just develop software built into PocketPC that would run > >installers, etc., so that ANY platform that people use to transfer info > >onto the PocketPC handheld would work. > >Since Microsoft wouldn't have to work on the major syncing program for > >Mac (including interface, etc.) they might see this as an easy in to > >the Mac market for the PocketPC. > >--jonathan > > > > > >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > > hit > > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file >w/o > > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate >too > > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > > > >> If > > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > > the > > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > > interesting > > > to see where it goes. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > -- > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:03:19 -0800 > >From: Stephan Szpak-Fleet > >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install > >Message-ID: > >In-Reply-To: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Precedence: list > >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > > > >Message: 7 > > > >Just an idea... you could write a C program for the pocket PC itself... > >upload the cab to the Pocket PC then have the windows CE environment do > >the extracting? > > > >is this crazy? > > > > > >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > > hit > > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file >w/o > > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate >too > > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > > > >> If > > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > > the > > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > > interesting > > > to see where it goes. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > -- > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > > > > >--- > > > >Stephan Szpak-Fleet > >stephan@legend44.com > >323 620 2206 > > > >------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > >missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > > >End of missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 > >******************************************************** > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:06:08 -0500 >From: Joseph Mitchell >To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Pocket PC)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: <41CC031E-4A11-11D7-A50E-000393C77EBC@noj.port5.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 3 > >On 2/27/03 12:06 AM, "noj" wrote: > > > I usually can't think of positive (and plausible) scenarios that > > involve Microsoft, but here's one that might be nice: > > With the development of the PocketPC version of Missing Sync, the > > second, to my knowledge, program to use a PocketPC handheld with Macs, > > Microsoft might think to develop things that would fill the gap between > > PocketPC handheld software and Missing Sync software. For instance, > > since Microsoft has such a long (and large) history of making Mac > > software (albeit not the most elegantly designed Mac software), it > > might be well worth the presumably miniscule time for Microsoft to > > develop a little piece of software that would help with the > > installation process of PocketPC programs being installed from a Mac. > > Or, they could just develop software built into PocketPC that would run > > installers, etc., so that ANY platform that people use to transfer info > > onto the PocketPC handheld would work. > > Since Microsoft wouldn't have to work on the major syncing program for > > Mac (including interface, etc.) they might see this as an easy in to > > the Mac market for the PocketPC. > > --jonathan > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > > >>> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > >> > >> Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > >> hit > >> or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > >> actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > >> works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > >> many support issues and frustrated customers. > >> > >>> If > >>> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >>> Virtual PC!! > >> > >> That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > >> the > >> product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > >> interesting > >> to see where it goes. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> -- > >> _____________________________________________________________________ > >> Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > >> 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > >> Los Gatos, CA 95030 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > >> missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk >This might sound crazy, but how about creating a PDA MAC. I know I they >have the IPOD, but it is no where near a Pocket PC. A large and open >market >since MAC has the best operating system on the market. > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list >missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > >End of missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7 >******************************************************** I think the focus should be on the SYNC of pocketpc's. The program is called Missing Sync , and not Missing Installer. Focus should be on key apps , Address Book, Task , Calender, and iApps. We cant force Software makers to make OSX installers , that will never happen and making and making a EXE port would take to long. Once Software makers know that theres a good working OSX Sync , then they will look at having Software with CAB's as installers or even OSX DMG's. Lets start with the essential functions first. manny _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From brian_hall at markspace.com Fri Feb 28 09:40:54 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] CAB extraction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I think the focus should be on the SYNC of pocketpc's. The program is called >Missing Sync , and not Missing Installer. Focus should be on key apps , >Address Book, Task , Calender, and iApps. For the record, this *IS* the focus of the initial 1.0 release. iTunes, iPhoto, iCal, Address.app, backup and install (of files to the device). > We cant force Software makers to >make OSX installers , that will never happen and making and making a EXE >port would take to long. Once Software makers know that theres a good >working OSX Sync , then they will look at having Software with CAB's as >installers or even OSX DMG's. Lets start with the essential functions first. I agree that once there is a viable Mac solution out there, it will be easier to convince PPC software vendors to put out ZIP files instead of/in addition to EXE type installers. That will be one (of several) approaches to the problem. As others have pointed out, if nothing else, there is an alternate cab extractor out there which is free. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From pscott at extremesims.com Fri Feb 28 13:52:35 2003 From: pscott at extremesims.com (Patrick Scott) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:59:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Anxiously awaiting! Message-ID: I am PocketMac Pro user, and while it does work for me, I am very interested in other options. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk/attachments/20030228/dbefe0e7/attachment.htm From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 4 23:36:29 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Survey Now Available Message-ID: A survey is now available so that you can express your interest in support for particular devices, or conduits to particular applications. (And if there are other questions you think we should ask, please let us know). See Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From martyn at theCommunications.biz Thu Feb 6 09:02:58 2003 From: martyn at theCommunications.biz (Martyn Barr) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] PocketMac Message-ID: Currently using PocketMac to sync with my Mac and hate it - it's so unreliable and the iCal sync is derisory!!! Hoping Missing Sync will blow it away! When will it be available? Martyn Barr From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 6 01:28:30 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] PocketMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Currently using PocketMac to sync with my Mac and hate it - it's so >unreliable and the iCal sync is derisory!!! Hoping Missing Sync will >blow it away! When will it be available? We have not announced a ship date yet, but we will be posting some more details (as to what features the 1.0 will have that we have not already mentioned) very soon. We will post a note to this list as soon as the web page has been updated. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From martyn at theCommunications.biz Thu Feb 6 09:37:00 2003 From: martyn at theCommunications.biz (Martyn Barr) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] PocketMac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8ACBF9F8-39B6-11D7-9874-0003938109C2@theCommunications.biz> Brian Shouldn't you be in bed asleep at this hour??? :) Thanks for such a quick response. I'm really looking forward to seeing the PocketPC version of Missing Sync. Martyn On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 09:28 am, Brian Hall wrote: >> Currently using PocketMac to sync with my Mac and hate it - it's so >> unreliable and the iCal sync is derisory!!! Hoping Missing Sync will >> blow it away! When will it be available? > > We have not announced a ship date yet, but we will be posting some more > details (as to what features the 1.0 will have that we have not already > mentioned) very soon. We will post a note to this list as soon as the > web > page has been updated. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > Martyn IMPACT Communications 125 Blean Common, Blean, Canterbury, Kent CT2 9JH, UK Tel: 01227 450022 Fax: 01227 454443 Mobile: 0773 443 5097 Web: www.theCommunications.biz From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 6 02:00:19 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] PocketMac In-Reply-To: <8ACBF9F8-39B6-11D7-9874-0003938109C2@theCommunications.biz> References: <8ACBF9F8-39B6-11D7-9874-0003938109C2@theCommunications.biz> Message-ID: >Shouldn't you be in bed asleep at this hour??? :) Yes, I should. I just got back from the airport so I needed to check my email, unpack and unwind. I'd say that it was because of the time zone change, but it was the reverse direction, so I should be *more* tired, not less. >Thanks for such a quick response. I'm really looking forward to seeing >the PocketPC version of Missing Sync. I think everyone will be quite pleased. We're listening to everyone, even if sometimes our responses seem a bit terse (we have received ALOT of email since the announcement at Macworld, which is why we are now pointing everyone towards this list). We added a survey yesterday. There is a link to it at http://www.markspace.com/pocketpcpreview.html You can use it to let us know what handhelds you would like to see supported, as well as what applications you would like to see supported by our "conduits". Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From jbauder at mac.com Thu Feb 6 10:07:03 2003 From: jbauder at mac.com (jbauder@mac.com) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Killer App: Make it work with Sprint/Verizon 3G service and it will rule In-Reply-To: <200302061702.h16H2td11005@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: Hey all, I know from looking at the "maccellphone" list on Yahoo! groups that many would love to use a phone/handheld as their modem, and Sprint/Verizon's 3G service, at up to 144k/sec, is better than a 56k modem and can approach Ricochet speeds. If there was a bundle or an add-on of support for using these devices as modems, that would make it compelling software for a lot of people. And Sprint's service is unlimited data for as low as $40/month! I'm excited with mine (Toshiba 2032) but would rather use my laptop than that small screen and a little keyboard for email on the road. Not sure how hard that would be to do (apparently easy with a Sanyo phone, and 10.2.3 has drivers for "Sprint Vision Modem") but it would be a Killer App. Thanks, Joe From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 6 11:54:36 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Killer App: Make it work with Sprint/Verizon 3G service and it will rule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Hey all, > I know from looking at the "maccellphone" list on Yahoo! groups that >many would love to use a phone/handheld as their modem, and Sprint/Verizon's >3G service, at up to 144k/sec, is better than a 56k modem and can approach >Ricochet speeds. If there was a bundle or an add-on of support for using >these devices as modems, that would make it compelling software for a lot of >people. And Sprint's service is unlimited data for as low as $40/month! >I'm excited with mine (Toshiba 2032) but would rather use my laptop than >that small screen and a little keyboard for email on the road. Not sure how >hard that would be to do (apparently easy with a Sanyo phone, and 10.2.3 has >drivers for "Sprint Vision Modem") but it would be a Killer App. Scott Gruby (one of the fine engineers on Missing Sync) has an app he developed that does just that. It is called Wireless Modem. See http://www.notifymail.com/palm/wmodem/ Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From sgruby at markspace.com Thu Feb 6 11:57:08 2003 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Killer App: Make it work with Sprint/Verizon 3G service and it will rule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2C920820-3A0D-11D7-9546-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 11:54 AM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Hey all, >> I know from looking at the "maccellphone" list on Yahoo! groups >> that >> many would love to use a phone/handheld as their modem, and >> Sprint/Verizon's >> 3G service, at up to 144k/sec, is better than a 56k modem and can >> approach >> Ricochet speeds. If there was a bundle or an add-on of support for >> using >> these devices as modems, that would make it compelling software for a >> lot of >> people. And Sprint's service is unlimited data for as low as >> $40/month! >> I'm excited with mine (Toshiba 2032) but would rather use my laptop >> than >> that small screen and a little keyboard for email on the road. Not >> sure how >> hard that would be to do (apparently easy with a Sanyo phone, and >> 10.2.3 has >> drivers for "Sprint Vision Modem") but it would be a Killer App. > > Scott Gruby (one of the fine engineers on Missing Sync) has an app he > developed that does just that. It is called Wireless Modem. See > http://www.notifymail.com/palm/wmodem/ > Unfortunately, it only runs on the Treo (Palm OS based). I don't think it would be that difficult for a PocketPC developer (I write Palm OS software) to write something similar. However, I'm not going to reveal any information about how WirelessModem was developed. From jbauder at mac.com Tue Feb 18 09:43:28 2003 From: jbauder at mac.com (jbauder@mac.com) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Sprint Vision service with Pocket PC = No Dice. In-Reply-To: <200302071701.h17H14d10924@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: Hey all, Well, I have tried to get it working and No Luck. Even on the PC, using (IIRC) SnapDialer there is no support for dialing through this Pocket PC. I assume that the choice of "Sprint PCS Vision" modem in 10.2.4's Modem system pref is for one of those PCMCIA jobs. I'm hesitant to spend $240 or so for one of those modems with no guarantee it will work. Reason I didn't get the Treo was 1)seemed underpowered for web access, and 2)my perceived lack of a keyboard. Email on a PDA without a full-sized keyboard is pretty wonky - makes me want to run home and write real email ASAP. But I guess you can get a wireless IRDA keyboard for them now. Makes me wish I had time to develop programmer's chops, Joe PS: Still eagerly awaiting Missing Sync for PPC. Have 256mb Secure Digital card to fill up with tunes, photos, whatever. > people. And Sprint's service is unlimited data for as low as $40/month! > I'm excited with mine (Toshiba 2032) but would rather use my laptop than > that small screen and a little keyboard for email on the road. Not sure how > hard that would be to do (apparently easy with a Sanyo phone, and 10.2.3 has > drivers for "Sprint Vision Modem") but it would be a Killer App. > > Thanks, > Joe > > > Scott Gruby (one of the fine engineers on Missing Sync) has an app he > developed that does just that. It is called Wireless Modem. See > http://www.notifymail.com/palm/wmodem/ > > Brian > > -- >> > > Unfortunately, it only runs on the Treo (Palm OS based). I don't think > it would be that difficult for a PocketPC developer (I write Palm OS > software) to write something similar. However, I'm not going to reveal > any information about how WirelessModem was developed. > > ------------------------------ From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 18 11:14:03 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: [missing-sync-clie-talk] PPC conduits Message-ID: >People over at PocketMac forum >http://discuss.cewindows.net/ubb/Forum46/HTML/000259.html are abuzz with >the rumors of the upcoming MissingSync for PPC. There are many questions: >1) Will it be free for MissingSync customers? No, it will not be free. This has been, and will be, a *significant* financial, time, and resource investment on the part of Mark/Space. Not meaning to sound harsh here, but this IS a business. The (perhaps not obvious) advantage is that a profitable product is a healthy product (gets updated, upgraded, supported, etc). It is in our mutual interest for this "virtuous cycle" to be present. Pricing to be determined. We may offer updgrade/sidegrade discounts. This is under internal discussion/review. I can say with certainty we won't charge *more* than PocketMac, nor *less* than the CLIE version of Missing Sync ;-) >2) Will it provide Entourage syncing? Not in the 1.0. Although we realize this is a very popular request and it is high on the list (if not at the top!) for what we do after 1.0. Our goal is to provide a robust and stable experience. We add new features after existing ones are stable. Similar to the CLIE where we had 1.0, 2.0 then 3.0 and each major release added major new functionality. >3) What other conduits are planned? For sure: Datebook -> iCal Task -> iCal Contacts -> Address.app Very likely part of 1.0 (TBD): Notes (both text and bitmap) -> Our own note app Backup High Priority, but NOT part of 1.0: Entourage (Sure, it *could* be part of 1.0, but then you'd all be waiting longer for 1.0!) >4) How will it differ from PocketMac? The features other than PIM sync - iTunes/iPhoto support, desktop mounting (this is a BIG feature - you treat the device like a hard drive, so you can save to it from apps, double click on files to open them on the mac, use the finder to copy, backup programs to do backups, etc). Screen shots of these truly unique features are at the preview page, http://www.markspace.com/pocketpcpreview.html We also have international and US distribution (online and retail), advertise and do trade shows, have experience in multiple language/localization/support (we currently do English/Japanese/French/German for CLIE Missing Sync), etc etc. This is an exciting new product, and we're looking forward to the release! Thanks for your support. Brian From xenafan at teleport.com Tue Feb 18 17:44:25 2003 From: xenafan at teleport.com (Lilia Lopez) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: [missing-sync-clie-talk] PPC conduits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just glad that Miss Sync will work with Apple. Thanks for making this software. Just want to know if Dell's pda's will be supported? From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 18 17:47:24 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: Dell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Just glad that Miss Sync will work with Apple. Thanks for making this >software. Just want to know if Dell's pda's will be supported? We will have a list of supported devices as we near shipping. We are doing our own internal development/testing at the moment with a variety of iPaqs. We will be sure to test with Dell and other popular handhelds as time moves on. In general, a device that uses ActiveSync protocol over USB to a PC will also be supported by the Mac via Missing Sync for Pocket PC. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From Johnny_Turner at cox.net Tue Feb 25 19:36:21 2003 From: Johnny_Turner at cox.net (Johnny Turner) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] I'm ready Message-ID: <171ACF3C-4933-11D7-8375-00039375C80A@cox.net> Just wanted to state that when your product is ready, I'm ready to buy. I have tried PocketMac version 1 and version 2. It's still a disappointment. Johnny From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 25 18:44:15 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] I'm ready In-Reply-To: <171ACF3C-4933-11D7-8375-00039375C80A@cox.net> References: <171ACF3C-4933-11D7-8375-00039375C80A@cox.net> Message-ID: >Just wanted to state that when your product is ready, I'm ready to buy. > I have tried PocketMac version 1 and version 2. It's still a >disappointment. Don't worry. While we may be quiet, we're hard at work. (We're also reading all the surveys that come in and taking them into account) Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From alaskatora at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 19:15:22 2003 From: alaskatora at yahoo.com (Natalie Piispanen) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] So when??? Message-ID: <20030226031522.59807.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Is there any estimation - or even a hint - of when the first version will be released? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk/attachments/20030225/02959145/attachment-0001.htm From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 25 20:25:18 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] So when??? In-Reply-To: <20030226031522.59807.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030226031522.59807.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Is there any estimation - or even a hint - of when the first version will >be released? Here is the current email we send out when we get questions about the date, betas, etc: Thank you for your interest and feedback. To join a mailing list to receive information as it becomes available, please sign up for missing-sync-pocketpc-talk at http://lists.markspace.com For all announced information, please see http://www.markspace.com/pocketpcpreview.html Frquently Asked Questions: Q: When will it be released? A: We have not set a specific release date yet, although we are targeting 2nd calendar quarter 2003. Q: Are you accepting beta testers? A: Not at this time. Q: Will you support Entourage? A: We will most likely do this after the initial 1.0 is released. It will not be part of the 1.0 release. The 1.0 release will focus on the iApps (iCal, Address.app, iTunes, iPhoto) Thank you for your interest! -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From v-erlev at microsoft.com Tue Feb 25 22:06:59 2003 From: v-erlev at microsoft.com (Eric Levine (Write Image Limited)) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] I'm ready Message-ID: Surveys? What surveys? I'll take a survey about this Eric L -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hall [mailto:brian_hall@markspace.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:44 PM To: The Missing Sync (Mac/Pocket PC) >Just wanted to state that when your product is ready, I'm ready to buy. > I have tried PocketMac version 1 and version 2. It's still a >disappointment. Don't worry. While we may be quiet, we're hard at work. (We're also reading all the surveys that come in and taking them into account) Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 _______________________________________________ missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Feb 25 22:20:49 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Surveys? What surveys? I'll take a survey about this There is a link to the survey near the top of the preview page: http://www.markspace.com/pocketpcpreview.html We have been getting some great feedback, and enough ideas to keep us going till version 5.0 at least ;-) The direct link for the survey is: http://www.markspace.com/survey_missingsync_ppc.html Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From duncanh at drummers.com Wed Feb 26 15:26:46 2003 From: duncanh at drummers.com (Duncan L. Hoffman) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install Message-ID: I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? -- -- -- -- Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it still remains so popular? Steven Wright From brian_hall at markspace.com Wed Feb 26 13:44:30 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do >you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, a ZIP file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging that more. For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see what the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). We're open to suggestions on the topic. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From duncanh at drummers.com Wed Feb 26 15:51:49 2003 From: duncanh at drummers.com (Duncan L. Hoffman) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. If only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using Virtual PC!! On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do >> you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, >> .zip)? > > One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, > a ZIP > file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging > that more. > > For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see > what > the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). > We're open to suggestions on the topic. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > -- -- -- -- Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. Steven Wright From brian_hall at markspace.com Wed Feb 26 14:00:06 2003 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> References: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> Message-ID: >Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very hit or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too many support issues and frustrated customers. > If >only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >Virtual PC!! That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns the product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be interesting to see where it goes. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From duncanh at drummers.com Wed Feb 26 16:21:53 2003 From: duncanh at drummers.com (Duncan L. Hoffman) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <78C5ED38-49E9-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> I didn't catch that news, Microsoft will probably kill it! On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > hit > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > many support issues and frustrated customers. > >> If >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >> Virtual PC!! > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > the > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > interesting > to see where it goes. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > There's no pleasure in having nothing to do, the fun is in having lots to do and choosing not to do it -- Mary Little Wilson From noj at noj.port5.com Thu Feb 27 00:06:40 2003 From: noj at noj.port5.com (noj) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41CC031E-4A11-11D7-A50E-000393C77EBC@noj.port5.com> I usually can't think of positive (and plausible) scenarios that involve Microsoft, but here's one that might be nice: With the development of the PocketPC version of Missing Sync, the second, to my knowledge, program to use a PocketPC handheld with Macs, Microsoft might think to develop things that would fill the gap between PocketPC handheld software and Missing Sync software. For instance, since Microsoft has such a long (and large) history of making Mac software (albeit not the most elegantly designed Mac software), it might be well worth the presumably miniscule time for Microsoft to develop a little piece of software that would help with the installation process of PocketPC programs being installed from a Mac. Or, they could just develop software built into PocketPC that would run installers, etc., so that ANY platform that people use to transfer info onto the PocketPC handheld would work. Since Microsoft wouldn't have to work on the major syncing program for Mac (including interface, etc.) they might see this as an easy in to the Mac market for the PocketPC. --jonathan On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > hit > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > many support issues and frustrated customers. > >> If >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >> Virtual PC!! > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > the > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > interesting > to see where it goes. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > From stephan at legend44.com Thu Feb 27 08:03:19 2003 From: stephan at legend44.com (Stephan Szpak-Fleet) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just an idea... you could write a C program for the pocket PC itself... upload the cab to the Pocket PC then have the windows CE environment do the extracting? is this crazy? On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > hit > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > many support issues and frustrated customers. > >> If >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >> Virtual PC!! > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > the > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > interesting > to see where it goes. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > --- Stephan Szpak-Fleet stephan@legend44.com 323 620 2206 From jgrubic at bozeman.k12.mt.us Thu Feb 27 10:18:09 2003 From: jgrubic at bozeman.k12.mt.us (James Grubic) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: program install References: <200302271702.h1RH2Wd27880@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <3E5E4851.4050408@bozeman.k12.mt.us> > We don't want to create a solution that works 1/2 the time. Or even > 90% of the time. It would just generate too many support issues and > frustrated customers. I disagree. I think 90% wouldn't be such a bad thing. You can make the cab extraction program a separate download with the disclaimer "this program is made available for registered users with no support or guarantee of any kind", etc. Right now, having to connect to this Windows laptop to do a software install is not pleasant. I know I could use VirtualPC but I only have v4 which doesn't work under X. I've been able to do a small percentage of installs directly from a CompactFlash card with CAB files, but not much software is distributed in this format it seems. James From manuelplascencia at hotmail.com Thu Feb 27 14:47:57 2003 From: manuelplascencia at hotmail.com (manny p) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] Re: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 Message-ID: If I am correct , OSX does not need to handle CAB's anyways , CAB's are usually PocketPC Installer files. However if you do insists in having OSX extract CAB's there is a Package available via Fink ,called " cabextract " which is free since its open source. I recommend getting fink to install it for you http://fink.sourceforge.net/ If you want to compile it your self get the files here http://www.kyz.uklinux.net/cabextract.php3 So you see I dont think you have to worry about CAB's Manny >From: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-request@lists.markspace.com >Reply-To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >Subject: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk Digest, Vol 1, Issue 6 >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:02:30 -0500 > >Send missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-pocketpc-talk digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > 2. Re: program install (Brian Hall) > 3. Re: program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > 4. Re: program install (Brian Hall) > 5. Re: program install (Duncan L. Hoffman) > 6. Re: program install (noj) > 7. Re: program install (Stephan Szpak-Fleet) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:26:46 -0800 >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" >To: missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com >Subject: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 1 > >I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do >you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? > > >-- -- -- -- >Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it still remains so >popular? > >Steven Wright > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:44:30 -0800 >From: Brian Hall >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: >References: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 2 > > >I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do > >you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, .zip)? > >One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, a ZIP >file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging >that more. > >For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see what >the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). >We're open to suggestions on the topic. > >Brian > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 >540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 >Los Gatos, CA 95030 >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:51:49 -0800 >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> >In-Reply-To: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 3 > >Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. If >only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using >Virtual PC!! >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > >> I too am excited about the prospect of a better sync product. How do > >> you think you will address pocketpc program installs (.exe, .cab, > >> .zip)? > > > > One approach is that many (but not all) developers have, or can have, > > a ZIP > > file. For that, you wouldn't need anything. We will work on encouraging > > that more. > > > > For those that can't/don't/won't have that option, we will need to see > > what > > the best method would be (for example, a "CAB Extractor" type program). > > We're open to suggestions on the topic. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > >-- -- -- -- >Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's >population. > >Steven Wright > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:00:06 -0800 >From: Brian Hall >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> >References: <45BEDE83-49E5-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 4 > > >Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > >Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very hit >or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o >actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that >works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too >many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > If > >only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >Virtual PC!! > >That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns the >product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be interesting >to see where it goes. > >Brian > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 >540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 >Los Gatos, CA 95030 >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:21:53 -0800 >From: "Duncan L. Hoffman" >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: <78C5ED38-49E9-11D7-9B94-00039303368E@drummers.com> >In-Reply-To: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 5 > >I didn't catch that news, Microsoft will probably kill it! >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > hit > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > >> If > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > the > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > interesting > > to see where it goes. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > >There's no pleasure in having nothing to do, the fun is in having lots >to do and choosing not to do it -- Mary Little Wilson > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:06:40 -0500 >From: noj >To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Pocket PC)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: <41CC031E-4A11-11D7-A50E-000393C77EBC@noj.port5.com> >In-Reply-To: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 6 > >I usually can't think of positive (and plausible) scenarios that >involve Microsoft, but here's one that might be nice: >With the development of the PocketPC version of Missing Sync, the >second, to my knowledge, program to use a PocketPC handheld with Macs, >Microsoft might think to develop things that would fill the gap between >PocketPC handheld software and Missing Sync software. For instance, >since Microsoft has such a long (and large) history of making Mac >software (albeit not the most elegantly designed Mac software), it >might be well worth the presumably miniscule time for Microsoft to >develop a little piece of software that would help with the >installation process of PocketPC programs being installed from a Mac. >Or, they could just develop software built into PocketPC that would run >installers, etc., so that ANY platform that people use to transfer info >onto the PocketPC handheld would work. >Since Microsoft wouldn't have to work on the major syncing program for >Mac (including interface, etc.) they might see this as an easy in to >the Mac market for the PocketPC. >--jonathan > > >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > hit > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > >> If > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > the > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > interesting > > to see where it goes. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:03:19 -0800 >From: Stephan Szpak-Fleet >To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-pocketpc-talk] program install >Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Precedence: list >Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Pocket PC\)" > >Message: 7 > >Just an idea... you could write a C program for the pocket PC itself... >upload the cab to the Pocket PC then have the windows CE environment do >the extracting? > >is this crazy? > > >On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > > >> Your competitor has a cab extractor which doesn't work that well. > > > > Yes, that is why I'm not sure that is the best solution. It is a very > > hit > > or miss affair to try and suck that kind of data out of an EXE file w/o > > actually running the EXE file. We don't want to create a solution that > > works 1/2 the time. Or even 90% of the time. It would just generate too > > many support issues and frustrated customers. > > > >> If > >> only there were some way to execute exe's on a Mac without using > >> Virtual PC!! > > > > That is certainly a solution that works (VPC). Now that Microsoft owns > > the > > product (they recently purchased it from Connectix), it will be > > interesting > > to see where it goes. > > > > Brian > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-pocketpc-talk@lists.markspace.com > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-pocketpc-talk > > > > >--- > >Stephan Szpak-Fleet >stephan@legend44.com >323 620 2206 > >------------------------------ > >________________________