From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Mar 1 06:44:09 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Mar 1 06:44:14 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PocketMoney In-Reply-To: <41AB9869-1860-4840-97C8-7A80F340DD9C@mac.com> References: <48F20D63-D44A-4642-8B02-0702B482CDC6@nysleepdoc.com> <41AB9869-1860-4840-97C8-7A80F340DD9C@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B146DD6-31E7-47ED-9CA2-7EF16F27350C@markspace.com> On Feb 28, 2006, at 10:58 PM, Adam Ek wrote: > Has anyone else had problems with the PocketMoney conduit? > > PocketMoney conduit version 3.1 > Missing Sync 5.0.2 > > It syncs, but if I try to change the settings of the PocketMoney > conduit, the settings window does not display properly and it > freezes. It won't close unless I quit Missing Sync and when I do > that Missing Sync crashes instead of quitting cleanly. > We have fixed this issue in Missing Sync 5.1.0 b10 which is a BETA version and can be found at: -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From missingsync at quantentunnel.de Wed Mar 1 10:04:36 2006 From: missingsync at quantentunnel.de (Martin) Date: Wed Mar 1 10:05:41 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Can =?iso-8859-1?q?=B9_?= t network sync with wifi from Tungsten T5 Message-ID: > there is a bug in certain devices that won't properly > resolve the address. Scott, I have a Clie UX50 - would that be bug free? Martin From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Mar 1 11:03:34 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Mar 1 11:03:38 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[missing-sync-palmos-talk]_Re:_Can_=B9__t_net?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?work_sync_with_wifi_from__Tungsten_T5?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <360C54F1-780D-466A-9B64-C43CCD3897B8@markspace.com> On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Martin wrote: >> there is a bug in certain devices that won't properly >> resolve the address. > > Scott, I have a Clie UX50 - would that be bug free? > I'm not sure as I can't find the reference to which version of the Palm OS 5 this affected (with the change to ARM processors, the IP address that got resolved was byte swapped). Give it a try and see what happens. However, remember that it is NOT secure and requires no password. In addition, you will need to setup port forwarding on your firewall if your Mac doesn't have an external IP address. In addition to the port forwarding, you'll need to make sure you Mac has a static IP address otherwise port forwarding will not work properly. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From m at gsinai.com Thu Mar 2 10:44:38 2006 From: m at gsinai.com (MF) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:44:54 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] error message Message-ID: <2FCFC33D-3BFB-49B3-9E41-83E7D81BF823@gsinai.com> I'm getting this error message: NSInvalidArgumentException [ISyncConcreteSession clientAcceptedChangesForRecordWithIdentifier:formattedRecord:newRecordId entifier:]: I don't know anything about a record with identifier Ccom.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_1_0. Are you sure you got it from this session or from the session's snapshot? If so, perhaps it has been deleted? OK Mark/Space Contacts with 1 message(s) What on earth does it mean? :) Thanks. From Dcbalz1 at aol.com Thu Mar 2 10:53:33 2006 From: Dcbalz1 at aol.com (Dcbalz1@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:53:49 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] error message Message-ID: <206.13697233.3138992d@aol.com> I got the Missing Sync from your website. I have no idea what the error messsage means. All I know is that some things sync well and ICal and Address Book do not. From Dcbalz1 at aol.com Thu Mar 2 10:57:13 2006 From: Dcbalz1 at aol.com (Dcbalz1@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:57:22 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] error message Message-ID: <253.74de718.31389a09@aol.com> I got the Missing Sync from your website. I have no idea what the error messsage means. All I know is that some things sync well and ICal and Address Book do not. From jimmyplo at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 11:20:44 2006 From: jimmyplo at gmail.com (James Prescott) Date: Thu Mar 2 11:20:47 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync and Treo 650 - Photo/Music Sync Issues Message-ID: <6a147d2a0603021120r660e07a5uf2174da82ee63a3d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I just installed Missing Sync for Palm OS and am happily syncing with my Treo 650 (Sprint). I am a convert from a PocketPC/PocketMac setup so needless to say MS 5 is a godsend for me. I do have a couple of questions though: 1) I have not been able to get the photo conduit to pull photos from the phone to either iPhoto or a folder. Is this a Sprint limitation, or am I just doing something wrong? 2) I have a photo album set to send pictures from my Mac to the phone. This works, but does not sync all of the pictures. 3) I have a playlist in iTunes set to sync with the phone. Like the photo album, this works but only 3 of 4 songs will transfer over (none of them are protected AAC). Thanks for any help! These are minor annoyances at best. I am ecstatic with how MS 5 works overall. Thanks, James Prescott PowerBook G4 1.5GHz 768MB RAM Treo 650 (Sprint) MS 5.0.3 From soltys at mcmaster.ca Thu Mar 2 11:25:28 2006 From: soltys at mcmaster.ca (Michael Soltys) Date: Thu Mar 2 11:25:37 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync won't launch Message-ID: <35E316BF-3A2B-420B-B703-E3758D746CBD@mcmaster.ca> I have spent several days trying to resolve the following problem: my missing sync application launches only in safe mode. After re-installing missing sync (and I have done it many times), it usually launches once. But after the first time, I have to go to safe mode to start it. Once it has started it synchronizes everything without problems. Has any one had a similar problem? Any suggestions? Michael From jeremy_235 at yahoo.com.au Thu Mar 2 19:15:42 2006 From: jeremy_235 at yahoo.com.au (Jeremy Quek) Date: Thu Mar 2 19:15:49 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Anyone have 5.0.1 installer? Message-ID: Hi there, I have two questions. I hope someone can help. I really need the 5.0.1 installer. Can someone send it to me or can I download it from somewhere? There are some things that I really don't like about the newer versions. The main thing is that calendar events that I enter on my Treo 650 are by default entered in the category "unfiled". 5.0.1 can be set to transfer these events into another specified category. However, later versions create a new calendar on my iCal which is called "unfiled". I find this pretty messy. Is there any way around this? Thanks everyone. Jeremy Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 05:06:16 2006 From: ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:06:18 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 'no writable calendars' exist Message-ID: I have a complex diary system...Work requires that I use Oracle on the Mac. I sync the Palm via SyncML directly to the server (Missing Sync is out of this loop). I want to also use iCal on the mac, which will then sync to the Tungsten T, and additions go up to Oracel via SyncML. But when I set MS to do this, it gives an error 'no writable calendars'. Nonetheless it seems to sync anyway, with the error message. I've tried creating new calendars (the conduit seems to have created them to match my categories and put the stuff into Unfiled - as it should.) Should I just ignore this error message, since it seems to work, or is there more going on than I can see? Any info gratefully received. MS 5.03 (105), G5 iMac iSight PPC, 10.4.5. Tungsten T syncing over Bluetooth cheers From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Fri Mar 3 05:10:01 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:10:06 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 'no writable calendars' exist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F03D9DD-B184-4F6D-B209-B96E20F1A3A1@markspace.com> Jason, If you open the conduit settings on your iMac, you should see a list of calendars to sync. If you have at least one writable calendar selected you won't get the error message. At least you shouldn't! If it persists, we can try some other debugging steps to see what is going on with your configuration. b On Mar 3, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Jason Davies wrote: > I have a complex diary system...Work requires that I use Oracle on > the Mac. I sync the Palm via SyncML directly to the server (Missing > Sync is out of this loop). I want to also use iCal on the mac, > which will then sync to the Tungsten T, and additions go up to > Oracel via SyncML. > > But when I set MS to do this, it gives an error 'no writable > calendars'. Nonetheless it seems to sync anyway, with the error > message. I've tried creating new calendars (the conduit seems to > have created them to match my categories and put the stuff into > Unfiled - as it should.) > > Should I just ignore this error message, since it seems to work, or > is there more going on than I can see? Any info gratefully received. > > MS 5.03 (105), G5 iMac iSight PPC, 10.4.5. > Tungsten T syncing over Bluetooth > > > cheers > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com From ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 05:16:38 2006 From: ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:16:40 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 'no writable calendars' exist In-Reply-To: <3F03D9DD-B184-4F6D-B209-B96E20F1A3A1@markspace.com> Message-ID: > > >If you open the conduit settings on your iMac, you should see a list >of calendars to sync. If you have at least one writable calendar >selected you won't get the error message. At least you shouldn't! If >it persists, we can try some other debugging steps to see what is >going on with your configuration. been there done that...have tried selecting each of them in turn, selecting all of them...no difference. what I can't do is overwrite the handheld- because of the separate Oracle Calendar setup. I could do it but would then have to overwrite from the Oracle server (data loss would be, er, catastrophic!). But I'll try that, it might work... From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Fri Mar 3 05:20:09 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:20:13 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 'no writable calendars' exist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <167173E4-25D2-4199-B3D4-3F4A4E301F04@markspace.com> The message about the no writable calendars appears if we try to synchronize and we don't find any - get this - writable calendars on the desktop! Ok, so something is wacky with your configuration. Here's what to do: Go into iSync and open its preferences. Choose "Reset Sync History" Restart Launch Missing Sync, open the events conduit settings and verify the calendars Sync. I think we weren't getting the right information back from Sync Services, and hopefully these steps force iCal to update the sync database with the right stuff. b On Mar 3, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Jason Davies wrote: >> >> >> If you open the conduit settings on your iMac, you should see a list >> of calendars to sync. If you have at least one writable calendar >> selected you won't get the error message. At least you shouldn't! If >> it persists, we can try some other debugging steps to see what is >> going on with your configuration. > > > been there done that...have tried selecting each of them in turn, > selecting all of them...no difference. > > what I can't do is overwrite the handheld- because of the separate > Oracle Calendar setup. I could do it but would then have to > overwrite from the Oracle server (data loss would be, er, > catastrophic!). But I'll try that, it might work... > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com From ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 05:27:56 2006 From: ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:27:58 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 'no writable calendars' exist In-Reply-To: <167173E4-25D2-4199-B3D4-3F4A4E301F04@markspace.com> Message-ID: >Ok, so something is wacky with your configuration. > >Here's what to do: > >Go into iSync and open its preferences. Choose "Reset Sync History" >Restart Launch Missing Sync, open the events conduit settings and >verify the calendars Sync. the Palm is not actually listed, I've never used iSync with it (or have reset both since doing so)...should I add it and then proceed? From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Fri Mar 3 05:36:14 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Fri Mar 3 05:36:17 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 'no writable calendars' exist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, you don't need to worry about the Palm in iSync. We're just using iSync to reset the sync system in this case. b On Mar 3, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Jason Davies wrote: >> Ok, so something is wacky with your configuration. >> >> Here's what to do: >> >> Go into iSync and open its preferences. Choose "Reset Sync History" >> Restart Launch Missing Sync, open the events conduit settings and >> verify the calendars Sync. > > > the Palm is not actually listed, I've never used iSync with it (or > have reset both since doing so)...should I add it and then proceed? > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com From amcutting at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 3 06:14:36 2006 From: amcutting at yahoo.co.uk (Alastair Cutting) Date: Fri Mar 3 06:14:45 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] error message In-Reply-To: <2FCFC33D-3BFB-49B3-9E41-83E7D81BF823@gsinai.com> References: <2FCFC33D-3BFB-49B3-9E41-83E7D81BF823@gsinai.com> Message-ID: <1CA06E49-0BE1-48AC-BE31-9621EC9F19EF@yahoo.co.uk> I'm getting this same error showing up recently as well. I am pretty sure I could lose it by an "overwrite handheld with desktop data" - but I would be interested in why it has started to show up... Alastair On 2 Mar 2006, at 18:44, MF wrote: > I'm getting this error message: > > NSInvalidArgumentException [ISyncConcreteSession > clientAcceptedChangesForRecordWithIdentifier:formattedRecord:newRecord > Identifier:]: I don't know anything about a record with identifier > Ccom.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_1_0. Are you sure you > got it from this session or from the session's snapshot? If so, > perhaps it has been deleted? > OK Mark/Space Contacts with 1 message(s) > > What on earth does it mean? :) > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Fri Mar 3 06:19:23 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Fri Mar 3 06:19:26 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] error message In-Reply-To: <1CA06E49-0BE1-48AC-BE31-9621EC9F19EF@yahoo.co.uk> References: <2FCFC33D-3BFB-49B3-9E41-83E7D81BF823@gsinai.com> <1CA06E49-0BE1-48AC-BE31-9621EC9F19EF@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: This message will come up when we try to process a change for a record that we haven't already handled or haven't handled yet. It is a bug in the 5.0.x code that is fixed in our 5.1 beta. I don't know if there is an easier explanation - but sometimes Sync Services will send us change information in the order that we don't want them to be in, and we were not ordering them correctly. b On Mar 3, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Alastair Cutting wrote: > I'm getting this same error showing up recently as well. > > I am pretty sure I could lose it by an "overwrite handheld with > desktop data" - but I would be interested in why it has started to > show up... > > Alastair > > On 2 Mar 2006, at 18:44, MF wrote: > >> I'm getting this error message: >> >> NSInvalidArgumentException [ISyncConcreteSession >> clientAcceptedChangesForRecordWithIdentifier:formattedRecord:newRecor >> dIdentifier:]: I don't know anything about a record with >> identifier Ccom.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_1_0. Are >> you sure you got it from this session or from the session's >> snapshot? If so, perhaps it has been deleted? >> OK Mark/Space Contacts with 1 message(s) >> >> What on earth does it mean? :) >> >> Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com >> Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives >> can be found at: >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > > > > ___________________________________________________________To help > you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! > Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com From ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 07:48:34 2006 From: ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Fri Mar 3 07:48:37 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] error message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >This message will come up when we try to process a change for a record >that we haven't already handled or haven't handled yet. It is a bug in >the 5.0.x code that is fixed in our 5.1 beta. ok seems to have worked, thanks. And yes, this stuff had not been handled before by MS. I have some duplication but that's because I reloaded the Palm from Oracle, so the events were new in iCal. From lists at tntluoma.com Sat Mar 4 09:17:19 2006 From: lists at tntluoma.com (Lists) Date: Sat Mar 4 09:17:30 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wireless_Syncing_=28was_Re:_[missing-sync-palmos-?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?talk]_Re:_Can_=B9_t_network_sync_with_wifi_from__?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tungsten_T5=29?= In-Reply-To: <6A338941-64C5-4216-8A1B-AE93936B13C9@markspace.com> References: <6A338941-64C5-4216-8A1B-AE93936B13C9@markspace.com> Message-ID: <25F5DD62-50A7-4BFD-AAB6-200FCB38EF49@tntluoma.com> On Feb 28, 2006, at 11:15 PM, Scott Gruby wrote: >> Question: is there a possibility for a Macintosh user to sync to >> an Internet address (for example using DynDNS), so that when >> anywhere on the road with a WiFi spot I could synch/backup my PDA? > > Sure. However, there is a bug in certain devices that won't > properly resolve the address. However, the connection is not secure > and there is no password. Scott is right, but there is a way to make it a bit better. I wouldn't call it "secure" as much as "less insecure".... If you are behind a router you control (I use Linksys but presume most are the same) you can do the following: 1) setup the router to BLOCK the HotSync port 2) setup the router to allow for remote access (make this on a really not-standard port) 3) when you need to HotSync, use Blazer to connect to the Router, login (username and password for your router) and then open the port 4) HotSync (note: this is pretty slow...) 5) Log back in and close the port again This isn't something you'll want to do often, and I highly recommend something like BackupBuddyVFS for mobile backup/restore, but if you want to do it, it can be done relatively securely. TjL From lists at tntluoma.com Sat Mar 4 09:20:07 2006 From: lists at tntluoma.com (Lists) Date: Sat Mar 4 09:20:15 2006 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[missing-sync-palmos-talk]_Re:_Can_=B9__t_net?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?work_sync_with_wifi_from__Tungsten_T5?= In-Reply-To: <360C54F1-780D-466A-9B64-C43CCD3897B8@markspace.com> References: <360C54F1-780D-466A-9B64-C43CCD3897B8@markspace.com> Message-ID: <9A30F287-4B85-44AA-929D-33C398CDD223@tntluoma.com> On Mar 1, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Scott Gruby wrote: > On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Martin wrote: > >>> there is a bug in certain devices that won't properly resolve the >>> address. >> >> Scott, I have a Clie UX50 - would that be bug free? > > I'm not sure as I can't find the reference to which version of the > Palm OS 5 this affected (with the change to ARM processors, the IP > address that got resolved was byte swapped). Give it a try and see > what happens. However, remember that it is NOT secure and requires > no password. In addition, you will need to setup port forwarding on > your firewall if your Mac doesn't have an external IP address. In > addition to the port forwarding, you'll need to make sure you Mac > has a static IP address otherwise port forwarding will not work > properly. On my Treo, I've had to use "!!" as the IP address and use the DynDNS name as the hostname. That seems to work HOWEVER Palm OS seems to automatically fill in the IP address in the Network panel, and then it doesn't work. So you have to keep going back in and changing the IP to "!!" which is annoying. TjL From brianleee at gmail.com Sat Mar 4 11:22:40 2006 From: brianleee at gmail.com (Brian Lee) Date: Sat Mar 4 11:22:42 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Network Sync via bluetooth internet sharing Message-ID: <7D280C9D-3A6A-4D10-B6C3-9CA97B8E3C29@gmail.com> I'm not sure if this has been asked or not but... I was wondering if I can network sync with my Treo 650 connected to the internet via internet sharing with bluetooth through missing sync or does missing sync only allow one service to be in use at a time? all this of course would be going through the same mac. You might ask why I'm doing this it's because I run 2 other applications Clicker and Verichat and I can get both of them to work over Internet Sharing via Bluetooth, problem is if I want to sync while using the other two apps I have to disconnect from Internet Sharing Via bluetooth and HotSync via Bluetooth. So... Treo 650 --> Missing Sync Internet Sharing Via Bluetooth --> Missing Sync Network Sync via Internet Sharing over Bluetooth Regards, Brian From sgruby at markspace.com Sat Mar 4 14:34:33 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Sat Mar 4 14:34:40 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Network Sync via bluetooth internet sharing In-Reply-To: <7D280C9D-3A6A-4D10-B6C3-9CA97B8E3C29@gmail.com> References: <7D280C9D-3A6A-4D10-B6C3-9CA97B8E3C29@gmail.com> Message-ID: <261031AC-42C9-4A46-AC28-67848B981AC9@markspace.com> On Mar 4, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Brian Lee wrote: > I'm not sure if this has been asked or not but... I was wondering > if I can network sync with my Treo 650 connected to the internet > via internet sharing with bluetooth through missing sync or does > missing sync only allow one service to be in use at a time? all > this of course would be going through the same mac. You might ask > why I'm doing this it's because I run 2 other applications Clicker > and Verichat and I can get both of them to work over Internet > Sharing via Bluetooth, problem is if I want to sync while using the > other two apps I have to disconnect from Internet Sharing Via > bluetooth and HotSync via Bluetooth. > > So... Treo 650 --> Missing Sync Internet Sharing Via Bluetooth --> > Missing Sync Network Sync via Internet Sharing over Bluetooth Missing Sync only allows one type of a connection at a time, so what you're trying to do won't work. If you didn't use Verichat, you shouldn't have a problem using Clicker over Bluetooth and syncing over Bluetooth. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From simonpollock at mac.com Sat Mar 4 15:31:58 2006 From: simonpollock at mac.com (Simon Pollock) Date: Sat Mar 4 15:32:14 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problems syncing with exchange version Message-ID: I have recently started using an exchange service (HP bizmail). Currently they do not support Treo. My email, contacts and calendar sync perfectly with the exchange and my assistant who is set up to access these has no problems. I have Missing Sync 5.0.3 and before I started using Exchange everything synced beautifully with my Treo 650. However now that I am trying to sync my local version of the Exchange contacts and calendar that reside on my computer (Powerbook G4 running Mac OSX 10.4.5) I cannot get all the information to transfer. Only about half the contacts seem to be in my phone and no future calendar events after the current week appear either. I have set the default account in Entourage to Exchange and the Entourage conduit is set to sync without any alteration tom the default settings. I did try changing the default account in Entourage to personal (IE my earlier local calendar contacts etc) and the sync worked OK. The trouble is that I now only update my Exchange version of information. I don?t want to have to update both Exchange and local calendar and contacts every time. Any advice? Simon Pollock From helge.kraak at tiscali.de Sat Mar 4 18:24:58 2006 From: helge.kraak at tiscali.de (Helge Kraak) Date: Sat Mar 4 18:25:06 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] File transfer via mounted memory stick In-Reply-To: References: <1D96B44F-3E15-4619-8A34-2A57928299DB@markspace.com> Message-ID: <075759a4ec06abaef8395fd4e13ec694@tiscali.de> Hello, I experienced several times problems with some files that I copied on my memory stick. When they were accessed by their appropriate programs, some programs had problems to work with the files. When I use the Terminal to copy the files, they all work fine. I'd like to know whether this bug has already been verified and corrected in MS 5.0? I still use MS 4. Thanks in advance! Helge Am 15.02.2006 um 14:10 schrieb Brian M. Criscuolo: > > On Feb 14, 2006, at 8:08 PM, Scott Gruby wrote: > >> >> On Feb 14, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Helge Kraak wrote: >> >>> Dear Missing Sync developers, >>> >>> I think there are many many people who would love to see this >>> feature. I wouldn't care if it would be done via an irregular way >>> like reading the palm database in the Missing Sync backup folder and >>> overwriting the address book via the import feature. In 6 years of >>> Palm usage I haven't seen one 100 % reliable synchronization >>> solution. For me it's not worth the risk. Regardless the limited >>> comfort I prefer to just work with one input device (my Palm) >>> instead of having one day garantueed trouble again with duplicate >>> entries, loss of numbers in contact entries without recognizing it >>> immediately, etc.. I need a professional working platform to be able >>> to completely concentrate on my work. For me professional means 100 >>> % reliabilty and nothing else. >>> >> >> As Brian wrote earlier (actually twice today): >> >> "There is not an option for handheld overwrites desktop because the >> underlying sync framework in Tiger, Sync Services, does not support >> that method of synchronization for 3rd party sync clients. It *is* >> possible to do in an unsupported way, or via other not so pretty >> methods, but Mark/Space has decided that it is in the best interest >> of our customers to not allow it at this time." >> >> Please realize that if we add this option, doing so will overwrite >> your .Mac account data, your iPod, and anything else you sync with >> Sync Services such as a cell phone, Chrono's SOHO Organizer, etc. >> Doing this is a very dangerous operation as changes propagate to more >> than just your desktop. > > AND AND AND AND! > > The data will be limited to ONLY WHAT IS ON YOUR PALM!!! > > Do you have > 1 url? > 2 IM addresses? Gone. Related names in Address > Book? Gone. All those things would not be maintained, because the Palm > is the least common denominator in the equation. Yes, but for good reasons, as many others users, I only change addresses on my Palm. So my Palm address book doesn't have url, IM and so on! Why don't you ask the users whether they would like to see this feature? You seem to just guess the users needs. Some clever developers have polls on their webpages where customers can vote for the most wanted features which are listed there. At present, to assure that my - for me very important - addresses stay as they are after a synch I always have to fulfill the following tasks: - Backup the Palm databases on the memory stick (takes approximately 10 minutes!) - Delete all entries in the mac addess book - remove the Palm device from the iSync list - add the device again - Synchronize the Palm with the merge option - finally restore the backuped data from the memory stick (about 5 minutes) 20 minutes of time to get an one way sync! I don't know why it's so difficult to understand that many of us need a professional work environment to achieve professional work (sometimes I've got the impression that your idea of professionality follows more the Microsoft users imagination what professionality is than the idea what fortunately many mac users developed when they switched to mac)? I wouldn't mind to pay the double price for your product, even triple price to get what I need. You're product has great features and I'm really happy that you're company supports mac users in connection with palm devices. But isn't it a great pity that the central features of all don't work properly? Of course I know that you have to fight with sloppinesses caused by Apple, but what I'm asking for can be realized without depending on Apple in a too problematical way. Best regards Helge -- Helge Kraak Frauenlobstr. 78a 60487 Frankfurt am Main Germany Mobil: +49 (0)178 828 80 90 Telefon: +49 (0)69 979 466 23 Fax: +49 (0)69 133 046 094 11 Email: helge@kraak.info Internet: www.helge.kraak.info ICQ: 348131950 From gregjsmith at mac.com Sun Mar 5 13:44:35 2006 From: gregjsmith at mac.com (Gregory J. Smith) Date: Sun Mar 5 13:44:39 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 5.1b10 & PowerPCCompatibility Message-ID: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> I noticed on my MacBook Pro there's a PPC process running called "PowerPCCompatibility". Is this necessary to run on INtel? Gregory J. Smith gregjsmith@mac.com http://homepage.mac.com/gregjsmith/index.html From missingsync at quantentunnel.de Sun Mar 5 16:49:29 2006 From: missingsync at quantentunnel.de (Martin) Date: Sun Mar 5 16:50:04 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Need help with window "Handhelds" > Column "Network" Message-ID: Hi, I have a problem using MissingSync's "Handhelds" window. There's a column which says "Network" and the ability to check a box. I have looked in the manual for a picture of that window but I can't find it :-( I have "Allow Network Connections" checked in the preferences, but those seem to be two different things here, which is not very intuitive, I think. The "Handhelds" window -- what's it for besides setting the Reminders and looking up when the last sync had occurred? Is the Network checkbox perhaps only related to those reminders? If so, then the "Handhelds" window should carry a little explaination tag line to explain the "Network" column, or at least a tool tip when hovering over those boxes. Please help... Thanks, Martin -- Clie UX50, Palm OS 5.2 Clie NZ90, Palm OS 5.0 MissingSync 5.03 (105) Macintosh G4 dual 500, MacOSX 10.45 US Sync via WiFi From sgruby at markspace.com Sun Mar 5 17:22:15 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Sun Mar 5 17:22:19 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 5.1b10 & PowerPCCompatibility In-Reply-To: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> References: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> Message-ID: <36DD21E8-C83C-407B-BD7D-964DD18EC9CF@markspace.com> On Mar 5, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Gregory J. Smith wrote: > I noticed on my MacBook Pro there's a PPC process running called > "PowerPCCompatibility". Is this necessary to run on INtel? > If you have non-Intel native conduits (basically any conduit that we haven't shipped), this process will be running in order to talk to the conduit. I'd encourage people to nicely ask their favorite conduit developer to produce a native conduit. We have documentation on how to do this at our website. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From jeremy_235 at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 5 17:26:17 2006 From: jeremy_235 at yahoo.com.au (Jeremy Quek) Date: Sun Mar 5 17:26:25 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Still having trouble with 5.0.2 and later. Anyone have 5.0.1? In-Reply-To: <36DD21E8-C83C-407B-BD7D-964DD18EC9CF@markspace.com> References: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> <36DD21E8-C83C-407B-BD7D-964DD18EC9CF@markspace.com> Message-ID: Hi there, I have two questions. I hope someone can help. I really need the 5.0.1 installer. Can someone send it to me or can I download it from somewhere? There are some things that I really don't like about the newer versions (i.e. 5.0.2 and later) The main thing is that calendar events that I enter on my Treo 650 are by default entered in the category "unfiled". 5.0.1 can be set to transfer these events into another specified category. However, later versions create a new calendar on my iCal which is called "unfiled". I find this pretty messy. Is there any way around this? Thanks everyone. Jeremy Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From jeremy_235 at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 5 17:26:17 2006 From: jeremy_235 at yahoo.com.au (Jeremy Quek) Date: Sun Mar 5 17:29:45 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Still having trouble with 5.0.2 and later. Anyone have 5.0.1? In-Reply-To: <36DD21E8-C83C-407B-BD7D-964DD18EC9CF@markspace.com> References: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> <36DD21E8-C83C-407B-BD7D-964DD18EC9CF@markspace.com> Message-ID: Hi there, I have two questions. I hope someone can help. I really need the 5.0.1 installer. Can someone send it to me or can I download it from somewhere? There are some things that I really don't like about the newer versions (i.e. 5.0.2 and later) The main thing is that calendar events that I enter on my Treo 650 are by default entered in the category "unfiled". 5.0.1 can be set to transfer these events into another specified category. However, later versions create a new calendar on my iCal which is called "unfiled". I find this pretty messy. Is there any way around this? Thanks everyone. Jeremy Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From loriolson at mac.com Sun Mar 5 17:45:47 2006 From: loriolson at mac.com (Lori M Olson) Date: Sun Mar 5 17:46:09 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 5.1b10 & PowerPCCompatibility In-Reply-To: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> References: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> Message-ID: <2327D322-DD5C-4F98-9029-5B11B6289A06@mac.com> I think that was to maintain compatibility with old PPC conduits which have not been updated to Universal Binaries. Regards, Lori On 5-Mar-06, at 2:44 PM, Gregory J. Smith wrote: > I noticed on my MacBook Pro there's a PPC process running called > "PowerPCCompatibility". Is this necessary to run on INtel? > > Gregory J. Smith > gregjsmith@mac.com > http://homepage.mac.com/gregjsmith/index.html > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From sgruby at markspace.com Sun Mar 5 18:21:23 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Sun Mar 5 18:21:27 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Still having trouble with 5.0.2 and later. Anyone have 5.0.1? In-Reply-To: References: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> <36DD21E8-C83C-407B-BD7D-964DD18EC9CF@markspace.com> Message-ID: <5FEB1023-FAB3-41A1-8877-C88F93C4AFB6@markspace.com> On Mar 5, 2006, at 5:26 PM, Jeremy Quek wrote: > Hi there, > I have two questions. I hope someone can help. > > I really need the 5.0.1 installer. Can someone send it to me or can > I download it from somewhere? > > There are some things that I really don't like about the newer > versions (i.e. 5.0.2 and later) > > The main thing is that calendar events that I enter on my Treo 650 > are by default entered in the category "unfiled". 5.0.1 can be set > to transfer these events into another specified category. However, > later versions create a new calendar on my iCal which is called > "unfiled". I find this pretty messy. Is there any way around this? The easy way is to file all events on your handheld. In order for us to maintain parity from the desktop to the handheld, we need to have calendars with matching names; the Treo has a category called unfiled so we maintain this. You, of course, can submit this as a feature request and we can revisit it later. I'd strongly recommend against using 5.0.1 (even 5.0.2) as we have fixed numerous bugs and with the impending 5.1 release (we've promised by the end of this month) where we've fixed even more bugs, continuing to use 5.0.1 would not be advised. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From jeremy_235 at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 5 18:30:10 2006 From: jeremy_235 at yahoo.com.au (Jeremy Quek) Date: Sun Mar 5 18:30:17 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Still having trouble with 5.0.2 and later. Anyone have 5.0.1? In-Reply-To: <5FEB1023-FAB3-41A1-8877-C88F93C4AFB6@markspace.com> References: <30D7AE3D-6C0F-4E78-AC18-315CD278516E@mac.com> <36DD21E8-C83C-407B-BD7D-964DD18EC9CF@markspace.com> <5FEB1023-FAB3-41A1-8877-C88F93C4AFB6@markspace.com> Message-ID: <31C74336-D55F-4862-83D8-132704A43ED0@yahoo.com.au> On 06/03/2006, at 10:21 AM, Scott Gruby wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2006, at 5:26 PM, Jeremy Quek wrote: > >> Hi there, >> I have two questions. I hope someone can help. >> >> I really need the 5.0.1 installer. Can someone send it to me or >> can I download it from somewhere? >> >> There are some things that I really don't like about the newer >> versions (i.e. 5.0.2 and later) >> >> The main thing is that calendar events that I enter on my Treo 650 >> are by default entered in the category "unfiled". 5.0.1 can be >> set to transfer these events into another specified category. >> However, later versions create a new calendar on my iCal which is >> called "unfiled". I find this pretty messy. Is there any way >> around this? > > The easy way is to file all events on your handheld. In order for > us to maintain parity from the desktop to the handheld, we need to > have calendars with matching names; the Treo has a category called > unfiled so we maintain this. You, of course, can submit this as a > feature request and we can revisit it later. > > I'd strongly recommend against using 5.0.1 (even 5.0.2) as we have > fixed numerous bugs and with the impending 5.1 release (we've > promised by the end of this month) where we've fixed even more > bugs, continuing to use 5.0.1 would not be advised. > > -- > Scott Gruby > Lead Engineer > Mark/Space, Inc. > > > Please visit for assistance > with Mark/Space products. > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk Do you know if there is any way to set a different category as a default on the the Treo 650? It is a bit of a hassle having to change the category everytime I enter an appointment. At the moment, I have select the appointment, then click on "Details", then click on "category" then select which category, then click "OK". Is there any way of shortening this procedure or better yet, to change the default category? Thanks, Jeremy Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From paul+markspace at bur.st Sun Mar 5 19:27:29 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Sun Mar 5 19:27:33 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] HTTP proxy auth Message-ID: Is it just me or is the only one of Missing Sync's various web components that actually _does_ do HTTP proxy auth the one that earns them more money ("shop")? The installation registration didn't seem aware of it (had to register manually), the "Update Device List" doesn't seem aware of it, the AvantGo conduit certainly isn't aware of it. They seem intelligent enough to check for a proxy setting, but not quite intelligent enough to then check for user authentication settings. If they can do it for one component ("shop"), surely they can do it for all? PD -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From sgruby at markspace.com Sun Mar 5 20:20:42 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Sun Mar 5 20:20:49 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] HTTP proxy auth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F0C225A-4832-465B-B7C7-26C2BB93F4A0@markspace.com> On Mar 5, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Paul Day wrote: > Is it just me or is the only one of Missing Sync's various web > components that actually _does_ do HTTP proxy auth the one that > earns them more money ("shop")? The installation registration > didn't seem aware of it (had to register manually), the "Update > Device List" doesn't seem aware of it, the AvantGo conduit > certainly isn't aware of it. > > They seem intelligent enough to check for a proxy setting, but not > quite intelligent enough to then check for user authentication > settings. If they can do it for one component ("shop"), surely they > can do it for all? > The shop tab is using WebKit, so the system handles HTTP proxy authentication. Registration, update device list and even downloading updates (when there is one) is done separately. If you could please report this as a bug, we can look at it in a future release. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From paul+markspace at bur.st Sun Mar 5 22:20:01 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Sun Mar 5 22:20:06 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Restart MissingSync? In-Reply-To: References: <3F0C225A-4832-465B-B7C7-26C2BB93F4A0@markspace.com> Message-ID: Missing Sync v5 is buggy - as was v4. In v4, when things would hit the fan, I could simply kill _everything_ from the command line, restart the Missing Sync application and the background services would come up clean too. How do I manually restart v5 without rebooting? PD -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From paul+markspace at bur.st Mon Mar 6 02:43:23 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Mon Mar 6 02:43:29 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Restart MissingSync? In-Reply-To: References: <3F0C225A-4832-465B-B7C7-26C2BB93F4A0@markspace.com> Message-ID: And before anyone asks, a prime example of "hitting the fan": Just did a full hotsync, Missing Sync bombed out halfway through with a random conduit error, and now it won't start a new sync until I reboot. Under v4, this is where I would kill off everything Missing Sync and fire it back up again. Under v5, the reliance on Apple's SyncService seem to make that not-so-obvious... Call me strange, but I'm used to only rebooting my Mac when a new kernel comes out, not 5 times a day while I'm trying to coax Missing Sync into performing the way I'd like it to. PD On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Paul Day wrote: > Missing Sync v5 is buggy - as was v4. > > In v4, when things would hit the fan, I could simply kill _everything_ from > the command line, restart the Missing Sync application and the background > services would come up clean too. > > How do I manually restart v5 without rebooting? > > PD > > -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From missingsync at quantentunnel.de Mon Mar 6 10:59:31 2006 From: missingsync at quantentunnel.de (Martin) Date: Mon Mar 6 11:00:24 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Memopad doesn't really sync ?! Message-ID: Hi, I synchronized multiple times the Memopad on my Clie NZ90 with the Mark/Space Memopad application. All went well when I added notes on either platform or changed elements. But, when I only had one note left, and I deleted this on the Mac, then it would reappear. Anybody know about this? PS: I also have the (latest) StickyBrain conduit installed but it is deactivated. Martin -- Clie UX50, Palm OS 5.2 Clie NZ90, Palm OS 5.0 MissingSync 5.03 (105) Macintosh G4 dual 500, MacOSX 10.45 US Sync via WiFi From paul+markspace at bur.st Mon Mar 6 15:31:39 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Mon Mar 6 15:31:46 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] HTTP proxy auth In-Reply-To: <3F0C225A-4832-465B-B7C7-26C2BB93F4A0@markspace.com> References: <3F0C225A-4832-465B-B7C7-26C2BB93F4A0@markspace.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Scott Gruby wrote: >> They seem intelligent enough to check for a proxy setting, but not >> quite intelligent enough to then check for user authentication >> settings. If they can do it for one component ("shop"), surely they can >> do it for all? > > The shop tab is using WebKit, so the system handles HTTP proxy > authentication. Registration, update device list and even downloading > updates (when there is one) is done separately. If you could please > report this as a bug, we can look at it in a future release. Gotchya - the use of WebKit makes sense and explains why I see that one working a-ok. I have tried to report this before, specifically the lack of proxy HTTP auth in the AvantGo module, seeing that's the only one I really care about. The response was "It doesn't support proxy auth, it won't support proxy auth, have you looked at the open-source Malsync conduit?". I gave up at that point. *shrug PD -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From paul+markspace at bur.st Mon Mar 6 15:36:14 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Mon Mar 6 15:36:18 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Can =?iso-8859-1?q?=B9?= t network sync with wifi from Tungsten T5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Martin wrote: > Question: is there a possibility for a Macintosh user to sync to an > Internet address (for example using DynDNS), so that when anywhere on > the road with a WiFi spot I could synch/backup my PDA? Sure is. Personally I wouldn't do that unless MissingSync documented exactly what sort of security they've built into it, but if you're willing to take the risk, go for it. Assuming your Mac gets a live Internet address and is not firewalled: - Enable network sync-ing - Punch hole through firewall so 0/0 can connect on port 14238/TCP: "/sbin/ipfw add allow tcp from any 1024-65535 to any 14238 in" - Install and configure dyndns client PD -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From bhall at markspace.com Mon Mar 6 15:45:56 2006 From: bhall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Mon Mar 6 15:46:24 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] HTTP proxy auth In-Reply-To: References: <3F0C225A-4832-465B-B7C7-26C2BB93F4A0@markspace.com> Message-ID: >I have tried to report this before, specifically the lack of proxy HTTP >auth in the AvantGo module, seeing that's the only one I really care >about. The response was "It doesn't support proxy auth, it won't support >proxy auth, have you looked at the open-source Malsync conduit?". I gave >up at that point. *shrug We actually have the source to the Mark/Space Conduit for AvantGo posted at our developers page. So anybody that would like to add new features is welcome to do so. http://www.markspace.com/developer/AvantGoConduit.zip Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 From bhall at markspace.com Mon Mar 6 15:59:56 2006 From: bhall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Mon Mar 6 16:00:24 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Can ' t network sync with wifi from Tungsten T5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Sure is. Personally I wouldn't do that unless MissingSync documented >exactly what sort of security they've built into it, Indeed, we do document security (or the lack thereof) with regards to network sync: page 20 of the users guide: "If you plan on syncing over a Wi-Fi/network connection, this box must be checked. Please note that a Network sync is not a secure operation and data is not encrypted. " page 33 of the user's guide: "NOTE: Palm OS network synchronization is not secure. This is a constraint of Palm OS network synchronization -- not The Missing Sync for Palm OS. Your data is not encrypted, and because the Network sync does not require a pairing of a specific device to your Mac, it may be possible for anyone to sync to your computer, provided that your Mac is on a public network. The Missing Sync mitigates these vulnerabilities by only allowing devices with the names you specify to connect and sync, acting like a password of sorts. Still, network sync is far from secure.. " To "do it right" would require some changes to hotsync on the handheld (ie, up to PalmSource, or a licensee such as Palm). I wouldn't consider that likely to happen. It is possible that workarounds could be done w/o changing hotsync on the handheld, but we don't see the ROI for that. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 From missingsync at quantentunnel.de Mon Mar 6 17:11:43 2006 From: missingsync at quantentunnel.de (Martin) Date: Mon Mar 6 17:13:15 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Can ' t network sync with wifi from Tungsten T5 Message-ID: Does this mean that WiFi sync is also not secure, or is it a different situation alltogether because there's WEP encryption with WiFi ? > Please note that a Network sync is not a > secure operation Am I mixing up things ? .. "on-the-road" versus "WiFi-sync-at-home-through-Airport" ? Martin From missingsync at quantentunnel.de Mon Mar 6 17:12:41 2006 From: missingsync at quantentunnel.de (Martin) Date: Mon Mar 6 17:13:16 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Memopad doesn't really sync ?! Message-ID: This seems like a bug. If I delete the last item in Memopad on the Palm all is empty. But if I delete the last item on the Mac it will be recreated. > Hi, I synchronized multiple times the Memopad on my Clie NZ90 with the > Mark/Space Memopad application. All went well when I added notes on either > platform or changed elements. > > But, when I only had one note left, and I deleted this on the Mac, then it > would reappear. > > Anybody know about this? > > PS: I also have the (latest) StickyBrain conduit installed but it is > deactivated. Can somebody verify ? Martin From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Mar 6 17:40:09 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Mon Mar 6 17:40:15 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Memopad doesn't really sync ?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The behavior you describe is intended behavior; we figure that if one side has no memos in it, something went wrong (hard reset, wiped out data file, etc.) and we attempt to correct this by having the side with data on it overwrite the empty side. On Mar 6, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Martin wrote: > This seems like a bug. If I delete the last item in Memopad on the > Palm all > is empty. But if I delete the last item on the Mac it will be > recreated. > >> Hi, I synchronized multiple times the Memopad on my Clie NZ90 with >> the >> Mark/Space Memopad application. All went well when I added notes >> on either >> platform or changed elements. >> >> But, when I only had one note left, and I deleted this on the Mac, >> then it >> would reappear. >> >> Anybody know about this? >> >> PS: I also have the (latest) StickyBrain conduit installed but it is >> deactivated. > > Can somebody verify ? > > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From steven at berkeley.edu Mon Mar 6 21:32:51 2006 From: steven at berkeley.edu (Steven Chan) Date: Mon Mar 6 21:32:56 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 5.1.0 b10 corrupts sync system References: Message-ID: From: Steven Chan Date: March 6, 2006 21.30.27 PST To: missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com Subject: 5.1.0 b10 corrupts sync system I installed Missing Sync 5.1.0 b10, hoping that it would take care of the endless duplication of Contacts' records and the five-minute sync times. Instead, the Mark/Space Contacts and Events conduits do not show up in the Conduits list anymore, even though they are still located in / Library/Application Support/Palm Hotsync/Conduits/. No amount of dragging or re-re-installing would restore these contacts. Attempts to delete this beta and downgrade to a 5.0 version was met with a "Nothing to install" error message at the old installers' screen, which sticks me in a quandary. It's been almost five days now and my device cannot use Missing Sync to synchronize my contacts and events. Does anyone have any advice? The best solution I can come up with, at this point, is to simply use Palm Desktop, but that means that Missing Sync no longer has a purpose on my system. :( Thank you for your advice, Steve From missingsync at quantentunnel.de Mon Mar 6 21:54:09 2006 From: missingsync at quantentunnel.de (Martin) Date: Mon Mar 6 21:54:52 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Need help with window "Handhelds" > Column "Network" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK I found it :-) There's some info about it under Help > Network Synchronization Assistant. The checkbox allows/disallows certain users to network sync or not. > Hi, I have a problem using MissingSync's "Handhelds" window. > > There's a column which says "Network" and the ability to check a box. I have > looked in the manual for a picture of that window but I can't find it :-( > > I have "Allow Network Connections" checked in the preferences, but those > seem to be two different things here, which is not very intuitive, I think. > > The "Handhelds" window -- what's it for besides setting the Reminders and > looking up when the last sync had occurred? > > Is the Network checkbox perhaps only related to those reminders? If so, then > the "Handhelds" window should carry a little explaination tag line to > explain the "Network" column, or at least a tool tip when hovering over > those boxes. > > Please help... Martin From jum at mac.com Tue Mar 7 00:12:18 2006 From: jum at mac.com (Jens Miltner) Date: Tue Mar 7 00:12:30 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Can ' t network sync with wifi from Tungsten T5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30A3B5AA-8440-4A31-8907-033E2A2BF107@mac.com> Am 07.03.2006 um 00:59 schrieb Brian Hall: >> Sure is. Personally I wouldn't do that unless MissingSync documented >> exactly what sort of security they've built into it, > > Indeed, we do document security (or the lack thereof) with regards to > network sync: > > page 20 of the users guide: > "If you plan on syncing over a Wi-Fi/network connection, this box > must be checked. Please note that a Network sync is not a > secure operation and data is not encrypted. " > > page 33 of the user's guide: > "NOTE: Palm OS network synchronization is not secure. This is a > constraint > of Palm OS network > synchronization -- not The Missing Sync for Palm OS. Your data is not > encrypted, and because the > Network sync does not require a pairing of a specific device to > your Mac, > it may be possible for anyone to > sync to your computer, provided that your Mac is on a public > network. The > Missing Sync mitigates these > vulnerabilities by only allowing devices with the names you specify to > connect and sync, acting like a > password of sorts. Still, network sync is far from secure.. " > > To "do it right" would require some changes to hotsync on the > handheld (ie, > up to PalmSource, or a licensee such as Palm). I wouldn't consider > that > likely to happen. It is possible that workarounds could be done w/o > changing hotsync on the handheld, but we don't see the ROI for that. But you could probably set up a VPN tunnel to your machine - AFAIK, there are VPN clients for Palm. Then you could open the hotsync port only for local connections... From jum at mac.com Tue Mar 7 00:15:13 2006 From: jum at mac.com (Jens Miltner) Date: Tue Mar 7 00:15:16 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] 5.1.0 b10 corrupts sync system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2D4F09-1402-4B77-90FC-A80145B9FDB7@mac.com> Am 07.03.2006 um 06:32 schrieb Steven Chan: > From: Steven Chan > Date: March 6, 2006 21.30.27 PST > To: missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Subject: 5.1.0 b10 corrupts sync system > > > I installed Missing Sync 5.1.0 b10, hoping that it would take care > of the endless duplication of Contacts' records and the five-minute > sync times. > > Instead, the Mark/Space Contacts and Events conduits do not show up > in the Conduits list anymore, even though they are still located > in /Library/Application Support/Palm Hotsync/Conduits/. No amount > of dragging or re-re-installing would restore these contacts. > > Attempts to delete this beta and downgrade to a 5.0 version was met > with a "Nothing to install" error message at the old installers' > screen, which sticks me in a quandary. It's been almost five days > now and my device cannot use Missing Sync to synchronize my > contacts and events. > > > Does anyone have any advice? The best solution I can come up with, > at this point, is to simply use Palm Desktop, but that means that > Missing Sync no longer has a purpose on my system. :( To force install an older version of Missing Sync, remove the missing sync installer receipt from /Library/Receipts. (It's called "Missing Sync Installer.pkg") Then the older installer should be able to install properly... From raygnp at mac.com Tue Mar 7 04:00:02 2006 From: raygnp at mac.com (Ray Constantine) Date: Tue Mar 7 04:00:10 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync won't launch In-Reply-To: <35E316BF-3A2B-420B-B703-E3758D746CBD@mcmaster.ca> References: <35E316BF-3A2B-420B-B703-E3758D746CBD@mcmaster.ca> Message-ID: On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Michael Soltys wrote: > After re-installing missing sync (and I have done it many times), > it usually launches once. But after the first time, I have to go > to safe mode to start it. Once it has started it synchronizes > everything without problems. Why not create a "test" account if you don't already have one and log in to that. Obviously, there is a conflict with some other software. If it works fine, something installed in your user Library, I would guess, is the problem. Ray Constantine ----- S. Ray Constantine MSN, RN, CS, GNP ??? Gerontological Nurse Practitioner Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/srayconstantine ??? iChat/AIM: RayGNP From macnrover at mac.com Tue Mar 7 07:41:00 2006 From: macnrover at mac.com (josh smiley) Date: Tue Mar 7 07:41:45 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] treo 650 calender Message-ID: <3224565699.18114@www.chatteremail.com> Missing sunc quits when syncing my calender. My settings on the mac for events says to do nothing. I have tried other setting. But get the same results. What could it be? Josh Smiley From bwilson at markspace.com Tue Mar 7 11:17:06 2006 From: bwilson at markspace.com (Blaine Wilson) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:17:09 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] treo 650 calender In-Reply-To: <3224565699.18114@www.chatteremail.com> References: <3224565699.18114@www.chatteremail.com> Message-ID: <77EE9D80-AB0F-4541-A2EA-21BEF2AB69C8@markspace.com> Hi Josh, What version of The Missing Sync are you using? Does The Missing Sync present you with a crash log? Is your Tasks conduit active? If you're syncing with a beta version of The Missing Sync, please submit a beta request there: http://www.markspace.com/support/ emailsupport_mspalm_beta.html Regards, Blaine QA Engineer Mark/Space On Mar 7, 2006, at 7:41 AM, josh smiley wrote: > Missing sunc quits when syncing my calender. My settings on the mac > for events says to do nothing. I have tried other setting. But get > the same results. > What could it be? > Josh Smiley > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From macnrover at mac.com Tue Mar 7 12:56:00 2006 From: macnrover at mac.com (josh smiley) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:56:57 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] treo 650 calender Message-ID: <3224584611.698239@www.chatteremail.com> I am syncing with the latest version. The task box is not active. I have been provided with a crash log. I have filled out the log and emailed it several times Josh Smiley -----Original Message----- From: Blaine Wilson Date: Tuesday, Mar 7, 2006 12:17 pm Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] treo 650 calender Hi Josh, What version of The Missing Sync are you using? Does The Missing Sync present you with a crash log? Is your Tasks conduit active? If you're syncing with a beta version of The Missing Sync, please submit a beta request there: http://www.markspace.com/support/ emailsupport_mspalm_beta.html Regards, Blaine QA Engineer Mark/Space On Mar 7, 2006, at 7:41 AM, josh smiley wrote: > Missing sunc quits when syncing my calender. My settings on the mac for events says to do nothing. I have tried other setting. But get the same results. What could it be? Josh Smiley > _______________________________________________ missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found at: http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk _______________________________________________ missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found at: http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From sgruby at markspace.com Tue Mar 7 13:41:45 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Tue Mar 7 13:41:46 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] treo 650 calender In-Reply-To: <3224584611.698239@www.chatteremail.com> References: <3224584611.698239@www.chatteremail.com> Message-ID: <3EC41EB7-8FA8-4955-9D76-AD4ABA1860B3@markspace.com> Your crash has nothing to do with Calendar or Tasks; your crash is in Documents To Go. I'd suggest turning off or removing the Documents To Go conduit and then syncing. On Mar 7, 2006, at 12:56 PM, josh smiley wrote: > I am syncing with the latest version. The task box is not active. I > have been provided with a crash log. I have filled out the log and > emailed it several times > Josh Smiley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blaine Wilson > Date: Tuesday, Mar 7, 2006 12:17 pm > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] treo 650 calender > > Hi Josh, > > What version of The Missing Sync are you using? Does The Missing > Sync present you with a crash log? Is your Tasks conduit active? > > If you're syncing with a beta version of The Missing Sync, please > submit a beta request there: http://www.markspace.com/support/ > emailsupport_mspalm_beta.html > > Regards, > > Blaine > QA Engineer > Mark/Space > > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 7:41 AM, josh smiley wrote: > >> Missing sunc quits when syncing my calender. My settings on the mac > for events says to do nothing. I have tried other setting. But get > the same results. > What could it be? > Josh Smiley > >> > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/ > missing-sync-palmos-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From eullman at markspace.com Tue Mar 7 14:01:11 2006 From: eullman at markspace.com (Eric Ullman) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:01:11 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] New 5.1 universal BETA build (b14) now available Message-ID: Greetings, A new beta build of The Missing sync for Palm OS, version 5.1b14, is now available from the Testing page at the Mark/Space website. This release improves syncing with multiple Macs, properly syncs contact pictures that have a birthday associated with them and addresses several PIM syncing issues. (Check the release notes for a complete list of changes.) This universal application beta is for both Intel and PowerPC Macs. We caution users that this is beta software, and it may contain unexpected bugs. Individuals who wish to try this software should perform a backup of their data before installing the 5.1 beta. For information on backing up your data, please see: . IMPORTANT: This beta requires a valid 5.0 registration code. The installer, release notes, and important information regarding the testing of beta software are available on the testing page at the Mark/Space website. If you encounter any issues with this build, please report them here: Thanks much! Best regards, Eric -- Eric Ullman Director of Marketing Mark/Space, Inc. eullman@markspace.com From missingsync at quantentunnel.de Tue Mar 7 14:14:52 2006 From: missingsync at quantentunnel.de (Martin) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:15:32 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Memopad doesn't really sync ?! Message-ID: I think that's an unlogical behaviour. > The behavior you describe is intended behavior >>> when I only had one note left, and I deleted this on the Mac, >>> then it >>> would reappear. I believe it should be in my own realm of decision to be able to erase that note pad, have it empty for a moment - or not. Your intention can be a security issue as well: if I erase all of my notes within the Memopad on the computer, doing this on purpose (because I was done with them - also maybe because I don't want anybody to see them while looking over my shoulder when I'm sitting in front of my monitor) - then I'd want them gone and not reappear on the screen all of a sudden when the next sync terminates. It's only possible to wipe the computer's Memopad if I erase all notes on the handheld (I am always using true two way sync in my examples here). This is then, therefore, not "synchronisation", but rather "Handheld overwrites Macintosh", hence the behaviour, as you describe it, is illogical. Scott, you write the following: > we figure that if one > side has no memos in it, [...] we attempt to correct this by having the side > with data on it overwrite the empty side. I can empty all my memos on my handheld, then click Synchronize (both ways) and all memos on the computer's Memopad are gone. Therefore there's no protection, really - as you inteded it to be. If it is possible to erase one way, it should be possible the other way as well - especially if true synchronisation was selected. Martin From paul+markspace at bur.st Tue Mar 7 15:30:49 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Tue Mar 7 15:30:55 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Can ' t network sync with wifi from Tungsten T5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Paul Day wrote: > On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Brian Hall wrote: >> Sure is. Personally I wouldn't do that unless MissingSync documented >> exactly what sort of security they've built into it, > > Indeed, we do document security (or the lack thereof) with regards to > network sync: Thanks for that Brian - and understood that the security limitations are the ancient support PalmOS has for network/modem sync-ing. Personally, if it's not my secured-home-WiFi-network-where-I'm-the-only-user, I use the built-in Mergic VPN client to bring a VPN connection up first and then run the network hotsync over that. Doing a full sync over Bluetooth is just painful. :) PD -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From paul+markspace at bur.st Tue Mar 7 15:30:56 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Tue Mar 7 15:31:00 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Can ' t network sync with wifi from Tungsten T5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Martin wrote: > Does this mean that WiFi sync is also not secure, or is it a different > situation alltogether because there's WEP encryption with WiFi ? Correct. WiFi sync relies on Palm OS's old network/modem hotsync, which appears entirely unencrypted. The WiFi network's WEP or WPA will stop some random getting on the WiFi network and sniffing the connection, but it won't stop someone already on the WiFi network or somewhere else between your Palm and your PC from sniffing the connection. See my previous post about bringing a VPN connection up so that the HotSync does get encrypted over the network. >> Please note that a Network sync is not a >> secure operation > > Am I mixing up things ? > > .. "on-the-road" versus "WiFi-sync-at-home-through-Airport" ? One and the same in this case. PD -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From rbrakes at mac.com Tue Mar 7 16:09:53 2006 From: rbrakes at mac.com (R. Bruce Rakes) Date: Tue Mar 7 16:09:59 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] WOW - beta 14 is fast! Message-ID: <22A5630D-8DB0-4E97-917C-A62D34CB6052@mac.com> Not only did it fix my problems with AB sync never completing, it is FAST. I did a complete 2-way sync w/ all conduits (except backup) in less than a minute - and that was with Bluetooth! Finally, there is light at the end of the tunnel. From msharp at markspace.com Tue Mar 7 17:56:49 2006 From: msharp at markspace.com (Maurice Sharp) Date: Tue Mar 7 17:56:51 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you can test... Message-ID: <440E39E1.90502@markspace.com> Hi folks, First off, let me introduce myself. My name is Maurice Sharp, and I recently joined MarkSpace, Inc. As Director of Operations, I am responsible for customer support, IT, and whatever else needs doing :-) I am a veteran of the hand-held space, having spent 5 years at Newton, and 5 more at Palm/PalmSource (the PalmPilot Professional was just getting introduced when I joined.) In both of those places I did and/or managed Developer Technical Support (and a lot more.) I am really excited to be a part of a company committed to providing the best handheld experience for Macintosh users. Now, onto the hidden feature... By using the Command Line, you can enable the "Handheld overwrites desktop" option in the Settings for the Missing Sync conduits: Mark/Space Contacts, Mark/Space Events, Mark/Space MemoPad, and Mark/Space Tasks. BEWARE: you will be overwriting the Apple Sync Services Master Database. That means the data from the handheld will be written to .Mac and anything else that uses Sync Services. We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to us. We are debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this feature on by default, or have it hidden so support can activate it as needed. Please let us know what you think and why. The feature is controlled by a preference which can be turned on, or removed using the "defaults" command in the Terminal application. Missing Sync must be closed for the change to take effect. To turn ON the feature, quit The Missing Sync and copy and paste this line into the terminal window and press return: defaults write com.markspace.missingsync.palmos "AllowHandheldOverwritesDesktop" -int 1 To turn OFF the feature, quit The Missing Sync, then copy and paste this line into the terminal window and press return: defaults delete com.markspace.missingsync.palmos "AllowHandheldOverwritesDesktop" We look forward to your feedback, Maurice Sharp From jlundell at pobox.com Tue Mar 7 20:17:04 2006 From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell) Date: Tue Mar 7 20:17:20 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] WOW - beta 14 hangs! In-Reply-To: <22A5630D-8DB0-4E97-917C-A62D34CB6052@mac.com> References: <22A5630D-8DB0-4E97-917C-A62D34CB6052@mac.com> Message-ID: ...or so it seems. It seemed to hang during a calendar sync (iCal, M/S Events, 10.4.5, Treo 650). I cancelled and tried to overwrite the Treo. It hangs with continuous disk activity, the lower progress bar stuck a little more than halfway. Doesn't seem to matter whether iCal is running or not. A soft reset of the Treo made no difference. Rebooting made no difference. THe calendar is gone on the Treo (but the contacts sync worked ok). -- /Jonathan Lundell. From e_commerce at mac.com Tue Mar 7 21:38:04 2006 From: e_commerce at mac.com (E-Commerce) Date: Tue Mar 7 21:38:10 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you can test... Message-ID: > By using the Command Line, you can enable the "Handheld overwrites > desktop" option in the Settings for the Missing Sync conduits: > Mark/Space Contacts, Mark/Space Events, Mark/Space MemoPad, and > Mark/Space Tasks. > > BEWARE: you will be overwriting the Apple Sync Services Master > Database. > That means the data from the handheld will be written to .Mac and > anything else that uses Sync Services. > > We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to us. > We are > debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this feature > on by > default, or have it hidden so support can activate it as needed. I would vote for keeping this as a hidden preference, for the reasons outlined in the past. People moving to the Missing Sync from Palm Desktop will likely expect it to work similarly - just overwrite the *Palm* data, not everything else touched by SyncServices (Mail addresses, iChat names, .Mac, etc). I do think having it in there as a hidden option that can be enabled - only if you very much know what you're doing - is a good thing, and very appropriate. - Joshua Ochs From missingsync at quantentunnel.de Tue Mar 7 16:56:43 2006 From: missingsync at quantentunnel.de (Martin) Date: Tue Mar 7 22:37:59 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Can ' t network sync with wifi from Tungsten T5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Paul -- my following question might seem off topic to MissingSync but related to synching the PDA : what is the "built-in Mergic VPN Client"? > I use the built-in > Mergic VPN client to bring a VPN connection It's built-in WHERE ? Can I get it ?? Thanks for any pointers... Martin From e_commerce at mac.com Tue Mar 7 22:38:44 2006 From: e_commerce at mac.com (E-Commerce) Date: Tue Mar 7 22:38:49 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problems with 5.1b14 Message-ID: <5253E469-244C-4BE7-A35E-5E7BEFC03B1E@mac.com> Unfortunately, I have to say things got off to a rocky start. My first sync with 5.1b14 crashed my Treo 650 partway through the sync. Here's what was in the log: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sync starting at 3/8/06 12:17 AM (00:17:03) on USB (5.1.0 b14) Using profile named: Missing Sync.prc installed OK Install No playlists selected to synchronize OK Mark/Space Conduit for iTunes OK Mark/Space Contacts OK Mark/Space Events No folders have been selected to synchronize. OK Mark/Space Folder Sync OK Mark/Space MemoPad Photos conduit was unable to find "MissingSync.prc" on the handheld. Failed Mark/Space Photos (0xffffffff) Task conduit was unable to open the Task database on the handheld. Failed Mark/Space Tasks (0x4015) Pocket Quicken synchronization conduit v2.5 [028], Copyright ?2001-2005, LandWare, Inc. Synchronizing to Quicken Datafile : Pro:Users:jochs:Documents:Financial:Personal:Quicken Finances File version : Quicken 2003 Beginning Pocket Quicken 2.5 Sync Unable to synchronize because an error occurred (16394) reading the application preferences. Unable to Create or Open Lists Database 'PQKN-Lists' (error #999/16394) - An unexpected Palm error occured (16394) Unable to complete synchronization because an error occurred (16394) writing the application preferences. OK Pocket Quicken 2.5 OK Install OK Backup Sync completed successfully at 3/8/06 12:17 AM (00:17:25) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sync completed successfully - I don't think so. I then tried the Install, Quicken, and Photos conduits all one by one - each sync was successful. Moving closer to my full set, I tried my core PIM set, and it crashed the Treo again: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sync starting at 3/8/06 12:23 AM (00:23:36) on USB (5.1.0 b14) Using profile named: OK Mark/Space Contacts OK Mark/Space Events OK Mark/Space MemoPad Task conduit was unable to open the Task database on the handheld. Failed Mark/Space Tasks (0x4015) Pocket Quicken synchronization conduit v2.5 [028], Copyright ?2001-2005, LandWare, Inc. Synchronizing to Quicken Datafile : Pro:Users:jochs:Documents:Financial:Personal:Quicken Finances File version : Quicken 2003 Beginning Pocket Quicken 2.5 Sync Unable to synchronize because an error occurred (16394) reading the application preferences. Unable to Create or Open Lists Database 'PQKN-Lists' (error #999/16394) - An unexpected Palm error occured (16394) Unable to complete synchronization because an error occurred (16394) writing the application preferences. OK Pocket Quicken 2.5 Sync completed successfully at 3/8/06 12:23 AM (00:23:49) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Again, the definition of success seems very suspect. At least this time Missing Sync was aware there was an error and popped up an alert (although the log still has no clue). So far, all data appears to be intact on both ends (well, my new task on the Palm didn't sync over, but nothing is corrupted), but crashing the Palm was not what I had in mind with this new version. ;-) Even after this, if I sync conduits one at a time, they all appear to work fine. Tasks syncs fine by itself, as do the others. Only when I try to perform a full sync does it break. Also, despite Contacts apparently syncing, I still do not have any photos for contacts with a birthday, contrary to the release notes for 5.1b11. If I modify a contact, then the photo gets pulled over. Otherwise, it doesn't "see" that it's missing data on the Palm side. Reboot the MacBook. Soft reset the Treo. A third sync yielded: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sync starting at 3/8/06 12:35 AM (00:35:08) on USB (5.1.0 b14) Using profile named: OK Install OK Mark/Space MemoPad Pocket Quicken synchronization conduit v2.5 [028], Copyright ?2001-2005, LandWare, Inc. Synchronizing to Quicken Datafile : Pro:Users:jochs:Documents:Financial:Personal:Quicken Finances File version : Quicken 2003 Beginning Pocket Quicken 2.5 Sync Unable to synchronize because an error occurred (16394) reading the application preferences. Unable to Create or Open Lists Database 'PQKN-Lists' (error #999/16394) - An unexpected Palm error occured (16394) Unable to complete synchronization because an error occurred (16394) writing the application preferences. OK Pocket Quicken 2.5 OK Install Sync completed successfully at 3/8/06 12:35 AM (00:35:11) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Okay, maybe it's crashing when it tries to switch over to the PowerPC Pocket Quicken conduit: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sync starting at 3/8/06 12:36 AM (00:36:58) on USB (5.1.0 b14) Using profile named: OK Install OK Mark/Space Tasks No playlists selected to synchronize OK Mark/Space Conduit for iTunes OK Mark/Space Contacts OK Mark/Space Events No folders have been selected to synchronize. OK Mark/Space Folder Sync OK Mark/Space MemoPad Photos conduit was unable to find "MissingSync.prc" on the handheld. Failed Mark/Space Photos (0xffffffff) OK Install OK Backup Sync completed successfully at 3/8/06 12:37 AM (00:37:20) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nope. Any suggestions? - Joshua Ochs From e_commerce at mac.com Tue Mar 7 22:57:32 2006 From: e_commerce at mac.com (E-Commerce) Date: Tue Mar 7 22:57:39 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problems with 5.1b14 - Followup Message-ID: <8EF439D7-9DC6-4587-8C54-FBA92B47C21E@mac.com> Okay, I went through and synced every single conduit one by one - BLAM! Memo Pad is the culprit. Sure enough, I can backup all other conduits without problems if I disable Memo Pad. This is odd, since I haven't made any changes here in forever. I had in sync with "Desktop overwrites Handheld", which worked fine. I then tried to synchronize with the Memo Pad conduit alone, and it crashed just as before. Also, Backup fails when trying to backup the ScummVM engine (web site is here: http://capers.free.fr/ScummVM/download.php, the version I have installed is here: http://capers.free.fr/ScummVM/download/ arm.zip). If I use FileZ to unset the "backup" flag, then the backup proceeds normally. This worked under 5.0.3 on PowerPC, but has not worked on 5.1b10 and later on Intel. The file is 1.9MB, making it the largest item in my internal memory, so size may be an issue. Bejeweled, weighing in at 1.5MB, has no problems. It also seems that Backup is backing everything up every time. I can sync twice in a row, and it backs up all of my programs all over again, even though obviously nothing has changed in them (things like TCPMP plugins and Bejeweled, that certainly have not changed). - Joshua Ochs From e_commerce at mac.com Tue Mar 7 23:15:06 2006 From: e_commerce at mac.com (E-Commerce) Date: Tue Mar 7 23:15:11 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problems with 5.1b14 - Followup 2 - My Brain Hurts References: <8EF439D7-9DC6-4587-8C54-FBA92B47C21E@mac.com> Message-ID: See, this is why you don't write long e-mails at 1am... > Sure enough, I can backup all other conduits without problems if I > disable Memo Pad. Should read "I can sync all other conduits without problems if I disable Memo Pad". > I had in sync with "Desktop overwrites Handheld", which worked fine. Don't know what kind of crack I was on, but I suspect it was decaf. That should have read "I synced Memo Pad with "Desktop overwrites Handheld", which worked fine". Okay, off to bed for me. I expect a new beta with all bugs fixed in the morning! =D = Joshua Ochs From paul+markspace at bur.st Tue Mar 7 23:40:45 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Tue Mar 7 23:40:51 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you can test... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, E-Commerce wrote: >> We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to us. We >> are debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this feature >> on by default, or have it hidden so support can activate it as needed. > > I would vote for keeping this as a hidden preference, for the reasons > outlined in the past. People moving to the Missing Sync from Palm > Desktop will likely expect it to work similarly - just overwrite the > *Palm* data, I disagree entirely and was wondering why this feature wasn't already in the Missing Sync conduits seeing it's _always_ been in the Palm supplied conduits: "Handheld overwrites Macintosh". The sooner it becomes an official MS feature, the better. :) PD -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From paul+markspace at bur.st Tue Mar 7 23:42:08 2006 From: paul+markspace at bur.st (Paul Day) Date: Tue Mar 7 23:42:11 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Restart MissingSync? In-Reply-To: References: <3F0C225A-4832-465B-B7C7-26C2BB93F4A0@markspace.com> Message-ID: Anyone got any suggestions for this one? I had to cancel MS mid-sync today, and of course now it won't start sync-ing again until I reboot. Perhaps someone from MS could outline the order (and UIDs) that programs start up in? PD On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Paul Day wrote: > Missing Sync v5 is buggy - as was v4. > > In v4, when things would hit the fan, I could simply kill _everything_ from > the command line, restart the Missing Sync application and the background > services would come up clean too. > > How do I manually restart v5 without rebooting? > > PD > > -- Paul Day Web: http://www.bur.st/~paul/ From berkowit at silcom.com Wed Mar 8 00:02:35 2006 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Wed Mar 8 00:02:39 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you can test... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/7/06 11:40 PM, "Paul Day" wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, E-Commerce wrote: >>> We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to us. We >>> are debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this feature >>> on by default, or have it hidden so support can activate it as needed. >> >> I would vote for keeping this as a hidden preference, for the reasons >> outlined in the past. People moving to the Missing Sync from Palm >> Desktop will likely expect it to work similarly - just overwrite the >> *Palm* data, > > I disagree entirely and was wondering why this feature wasn't already in > the Missing Sync conduits seeing it's _always_ been in the Palm supplied > conduits: "Handheld overwrites Macintosh". The sooner it becomes an > official MS feature, the better. :) No. The Palm supplied-conduits had (or meant) "Handheld Overwrites Desktop" - meaning Palm Desktop, or Entourage if using the Entourage conduit. But those conduits were designed with just the two devices in mind, and an exact correspondence between all the fields. (Until Palm OS 5 came along, anyway.) The differences now are that: 1) This conduit syncs with SyncServices, and this ALL the apps and devices that talk with it, and 2) SyncServices doesn't seem to have an exact correspondence with anything at all at the moment, and diverges from some apps a lot. That means that several fields do NOT sync with SyncServices. As long as they're not being overwritten nothing is lost. As soon as you do a Handheld Overwrites SyncServices, all the extra non-Palm fields will get wiped, and then wiped from the originating apps. That's hardly the same thing at all, Unsuspecting users will lose precious info that way an then become furious. Making it difficult and hidden, but clearly documented, means only competent users will try it and will immediately understand there' some risk attached. -- Paul Berkowitz From alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org Wed Mar 8 01:55:55 2006 From: alan.schmitt at polytechnique.org (Alan Schmitt) Date: Wed Mar 8 01:56:01 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problems with 5.1b14 - Followup 2 - My Brain Hurts In-Reply-To: References: <8EF439D7-9DC6-4587-8C54-FBA92B47C21E@mac.com> Message-ID: On 8 mars 06, at 08:15, E-Commerce wrote: > Should read "I can sync all other conduits without problems if I > disable Memo Pad". Since b10 I've had the conduit manager crash when synchronizing Memos. I sent a bug report to Markspace about this. You could try to look in the console application if Conduit Manager has crashed, it will give you the location of the log you can send to Markspace. I've just tried b14 and the same problem occurs, so I've disabled memopad syncing for the moment. Alan -- Alan Schmitt The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. .O. ..O OOO From helge.kraak at tiscali.de Wed Mar 8 02:58:53 2006 From: helge.kraak at tiscali.de (Helge Kraak) Date: Wed Mar 8 02:58:57 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you can test... In-Reply-To: <440E39E1.90502@markspace.com> References: <440E39E1.90502@markspace.com> Message-ID: Thank you so much, Maurice! I'm really happy that made an approach to those users who know to handle this feature and who have good reasons to use it regarding their need of a reliable system! I understand the concerns with respect to the users who could misunderstand the consequences of using this feature so that you should of course make it available in a way that the user gets clearly explained the way it works. I would be happy to see this option in the final version! Best Helge -- Helge Kraak Frauenlobstr. 78a 60487 Frankfurt am Main Germany Mobil: +49 (0)178 828 80 90 Telefon: +49 (0)69 979 466 23 Fax: +49 (0)69 133 046 094 11 Email: helge@kraak.info Internet: www.helge.kraak.info ICQ: 348131950 Am 08.03.2006 um 02:56 schrieb Maurice Sharp: > Now, onto the hidden feature... > > By using the Command Line, you can enable the "Handheld overwrites > desktop" option in the Settings for the Missing Sync conduits: > Mark/Space Contacts, Mark/Space Events, Mark/Space MemoPad, and > Mark/Space Tasks. > > BEWARE: you will be overwriting the Apple Sync Services Master > Database. That means the data from the handheld will be written to > .Mac and anything else that uses Sync Services. > > We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to us. We > are debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this feature > on by default, or have it hidden so support can activate it as needed. > > Please let us know what you think and why. > > The feature is controlled by a preference which can be turned on, or > removed using the "defaults" command in the Terminal application. > Missing Sync must be closed for the change to take effect. > > > To turn ON the feature, quit The Missing Sync and copy and paste this > line into the terminal window and press return: > > defaults write com.markspace.missingsync.palmos > "AllowHandheldOverwritesDesktop" -int 1 From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Wed Mar 8 05:20:52 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Wed Mar 8 05:20:56 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] WOW - beta 14 hangs! In-Reply-To: References: <22A5630D-8DB0-4E97-917C-A62D34CB6052@mac.com> Message-ID: <4CB95D72-2BD0-4370-861E-37FD19A22432@markspace.com> On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > ...or so it seems. > > It seemed to hang during a calendar sync (iCal, M/S Events, 10.4.5, > Treo 650). I cancelled and tried to overwrite the Treo. It hangs > with continuous disk activity, the lower progress bar stuck a > little more than halfway. Doesn't seem to matter whether iCal is > running or not. A soft reset of the Treo made no difference. > Rebooting made no difference. THe calendar is gone on the Treo (but > the contacts sync worked ok). > Jonathan, How long did you let it go before you cancelled? What was the status message below our progress bar? Do you have a lot of events (like going back years)? I ask because you could be in a part of the sync called mingling, which is where the sync engine takes over and tries to merge/identify conflicts/resolve record data and if you have a lot of data it can take a while. Since its been cancelled it will *definitely* take longer on the next sync, as the sync engine has requested that we slow sync and send all your Palm data into the sync engine. If you're confident that your desktop data is complete, you can do a desktop overwrites handheld, or conversely use Maurice's instructions from a previous email to do a handheld overwrites desktop. See below. Let us know what your setup is, b ***** Maurice wrote: By using the Command Line, you can enable the "Handheld overwrites desktop" option in the Settings for the Missing Sync conduits: Mark/ Space Contacts, Mark/Space Events, Mark/Space MemoPad, and Mark/Space Tasks. BEWARE: you will be overwriting the Apple Sync Services Master Database. That means the data from the handheld will be written to .Mac and anything else that uses Sync Services. We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to us. We are debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this feature on by default, or have it hidden so support can activate it as needed. Please let us know what you think and why. The feature is controlled by a preference which can be turned on, or removed using the "defaults" command in the Terminal application. Missing Sync must be closed for the change to take effect. To turn ON the feature, quit The Missing Sync and copy and paste this line into the terminal window and press return: defaults write com.markspace.missingsync.palmos "AllowHandheldOverwritesDesktop" -int 1 To turn OFF the feature, quit The Missing Sync, then copy and paste this line into the terminal window and press return: defaults delete com.markspace.missingsync.palmos "AllowHandheldOverwritesDesktop" > -- > /Jonathan Lundell. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Wed Mar 8 05:37:17 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Wed Mar 8 05:37:21 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you can test... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8958F61E-5C81-4085-B43C-6378D874CBF2@markspace.com> On Mar 8, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 3/7/06 11:40 PM, "Paul Day" wrote: > >> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, E-Commerce wrote: >>>> We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to >>>> us. We >>>> are debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this >>>> feature >>>> on by default, or have it hidden so support can activate it as >>>> needed. >>> >>> I would vote for keeping this as a hidden preference, for the >>> reasons >>> outlined in the past. People moving to the Missing Sync from Palm >>> Desktop will likely expect it to work similarly - just overwrite the >>> *Palm* data, >> >> I disagree entirely and was wondering why this feature wasn't >> already in >> the Missing Sync conduits seeing it's _always_ been in the Palm >> supplied >> conduits: "Handheld overwrites Macintosh". The sooner it becomes an >> official MS feature, the better. :) > > No. The Palm supplied-conduits had (or meant) "Handheld Overwrites > Desktop" > - meaning Palm Desktop, or Entourage if using the Entourage > conduit. But > those conduits were designed with just the two devices in mind, and > an exact > correspondence between all the fields. (Until Palm OS 5 came along, > anyway.) > > The differences now are that: > > 1) This conduit syncs with SyncServices, and this ALL the apps and > devices > that talk with it, and > > 2) SyncServices doesn't seem to have an exact correspondence with > anything > at all at the moment, and diverges from some apps a lot. That means > that > several fields do NOT sync with SyncServices. As long as they're > not being > overwritten nothing is lost. As soon as you do a Handheld Overwrites > SyncServices, all the extra non-Palm fields will get wiped, and > then wiped > from the originating apps. > Its even a bit more severe than that. Since Apple does not want to provide a public API for "pushing the truth" - i.e. overwriting Sync Services, we first DELETE all the records for the data type (contacts, tasks, events). At that point, all other sync clients will receive notice that the sync database has changes and they will sync the deletes. This will trigger them to delete the data from their local data store. When that process is finished, the ONLY place that you have your data is on your device. Oh, and in your backups. You do back up, don't you? :) Once that is done, we open up another sync session and ADD all the records from the device. Once again, this will cause other sync clients to be triggered, and synchronize the additions to their data store. Harmony. You may see other applications, in the future, extending the data that is synchronized with a contact or an event (like if that application supports more fields or something). If those fields are used, and if handheld overwrites desktop is triggered, you're not going to have that data around after the sync. > That's hardly the same thing at all, Unsuspecting users will lose > precious > info that way an then become furious. Making it difficult and > hidden, but > clearly documented, means only competent users will try it and will > immediately understand there' some risk attached. > Yes, there is risk - a lot of it (especially if you sync via .Mac). We're trying to finalize precautionary wording for this option, even if it is left hidden, as the average user doesn't know (or care) about Sync Services and the truth and other clients. They just want to sync. When implementing this "feature" I thought it should be accessible and usable like the other sync options. I've changed my mind - the potential for data loss is too high for someone who isn't aware of how everything is connected. Keep it hidden, but make the information needed to change that easy to find for someone who needs it. b > -- > Paul Berkowitz > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com From Patricia at PatriciaWarwick.com Wed Mar 8 06:44:13 2006 From: Patricia at PatriciaWarwick.com (Patricia Warwick) Date: Wed Mar 8 06:44:17 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Beta 14 .. problem with address book photos Message-ID: Strange ... I did my second sync with Beta 14 and I got a conflict message about one of my address book entries. They had different images in the records. But one image (on the Desktop I think) is not an image that I have used in Address Book. It is possible this is a bug in Sync Services but it is strange. Has anyone noticed anything like this? PW From gavinwj at wanadoo.fr Wed Mar 8 06:58:49 2006 From: gavinwj at wanadoo.fr (Gavin Wynford-Jones) Date: Wed Mar 8 06:59:32 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you can test... In-Reply-To: <8958F61E-5C81-4085-B43C-6378D874CBF2@markspace.com> References: <8958F61E-5C81-4085-B43C-6378D874CBF2@markspace.com> Message-ID: I suppose the question that needs to be asked, is why did Apple create this restriction/design in the first place? It's illogical since the machine you're most likely to carry with you, and therefore the most likely to be the "dominant" one, is a handheld not a desktop Mac... Gavin On 8 Mar 2006, at 14:37, Brian M. Criscuolo wrote: > (... a nice long explanation which I've cut out to save space) From markw119 at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 8 07:07:12 2006 From: markw119 at bellsouth.net (markw119@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:08:05 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Thoughts on handheld overwrites desktop Message-ID: <20060308150712.GEN16917.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Maybe the way to implement "handheld overwrites dekstop" would be that when a user clicks on the desktop overwrites handheld, the next thing the user sees is a huge warning screen listing all the issues you've stated. Then, the user can either click cancel or proceed. Once the user hits proceed, there's a screen that says are you sure, and if you're not, either cancel or go back to the previous screen. If the user clicks go ahead anyway, Mark/Space will know that the user was warned and had to click through two screens of caution to invoke the desktop overwrites handheld. I know that seems cumbersome, but there are times when I have wanted to have a way for desktop to overwrite all my MarkSpace MemoPad memos. This would have prevented the "mutation effect" in which a changed Palm Memo (I have a Windows XP Professional-based PC at work that I sync to, and an iMac G-5 at home) that I create at work, then sync to my Palm TX, then sync to my iMac at home, produces two versions of the memo. If I don't catch this, I get more "mutations," as I call them. I'm guessing that the creation of 2 memos, one with the new data, one unchanged, is a way to ensure no data is lost. However, it's a pain in the rear. My workaround for this issue has been that after syncing at work on the PC, when I get home, I go to the Mark/Space MemoPad and delete on the iMac the memo which I changed at work. Then I sync, and I have the memo with the new data in the Mark/Space MemoPad on the iMac. Unrelated to all that, I have found that after syncing at home on my iMac, my first sync at work on the Windows PC avoids duplicating data if I have the Palm's DateBook, AddressBook, and Memos overwrite the Palm desktop software (for PC) for these three conduits. Then I sync "synchronize," and I have no duplications. Maybe I don't need to do it this way, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. You make an excellent product, and you've continued to improve it. Keep up the excellent work. Thanks. > > From: Paul Berkowitz > Date: 2006/03/08 Wed AM 03:02:35 EST > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you > can test... > > On 3/7/06 11:40 PM, "Paul Day" wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, E-Commerce wrote: > >>> We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to us. We > >>> are debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this feature > >>> on by default, or have it hidden so support can activate it as needed. > >> > >> I would vote for keeping this as a hidden preference, for the reasons > >> outlined in the past. People moving to the Missing Sync from Palm > >> Desktop will likely expect it to work similarly - just overwrite the > >> *Palm* data, > > > > I disagree entirely and was wondering why this feature wasn't already in > > the Missing Sync conduits seeing it's _always_ been in the Palm supplied > > conduits: "Handheld overwrites Macintosh". The sooner it becomes an > > official MS feature, the better. :) > > No. The Palm supplied-conduits had (or meant) "Handheld Overwrites Desktop" > - meaning Palm Desktop, or Entourage if using the Entourage conduit. But > those conduits were designed with just the two devices in mind, and an exact > correspondence between all the fields. (Until Palm OS 5 came along, anyway.) > > The differences now are that: > > 1) This conduit syncs with SyncServices, and this ALL the apps and devices > that talk with it, and > > 2) SyncServices doesn't seem to have an exact correspondence with anything > at all at the moment, and diverges from some apps a lot. That means that > several fields do NOT sync with SyncServices. As long as they're not being > overwritten nothing is lost. As soon as you do a Handheld Overwrites > SyncServices, all the extra non-Palm fields will get wiped, and then wiped > from the originating apps. > > That's hardly the same thing at all, Unsuspecting users will lose precious > info that way an then become furious. Making it difficult and hidden, but > clearly documented, means only competent users will try it and will > immediately understand there' some risk attached. > > From: "Brian M. Criscuolo" > Date: 2006/03/08 Wed AM 08:20:52 EST > To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Palm OS\) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] WOW - beta 14 hangs! > > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > > > ...or so it seems. > > > > It seemed to hang during a calendar sync (iCal, M/S Events, 10.4.5, > > Treo 650). I cancelled and tried to overwrite the Treo. It hangs > > with continuous disk activity, the lower progress bar stuck a > > little more than halfway. Doesn't seem to matter whether iCal is > > running or not. A soft reset of the Treo made no difference. > > Rebooting made no difference. THe calendar is gone on the Treo (but > > the contacts sync worked ok). > > > > Jonathan, > > How long did you let it go before you cancelled? What was the status > message below our progress bar? Do you have a lot of events (like > going back years)? > > I ask because you could be in a part of the sync called mingling, > which is where the sync engine takes over and tries to merge/identify > conflicts/resolve record data and if you have a lot of data it can > take a while. Since its been cancelled it will *definitely* take > longer on the next sync, as the sync engine has requested that we > slow sync and send all your Palm data into the sync engine. > > If you're confident that your desktop data is complete, you can do a > desktop overwrites handheld, or conversely use Maurice's instructions > from a previous email to do a handheld overwrites desktop. See below. > > Let us know what your setup is, > b > > ***** > Maurice wrote: > > By using the Command Line, you can enable the "Handheld overwrites > desktop" option in the Settings for the Missing Sync conduits: Mark/ > Space Contacts, Mark/Space Events, Mark/Space MemoPad, and Mark/Space > Tasks. > > BEWARE: you will be overwriting the Apple Sync Services Master > Database. That means the data from the handheld will be written > to .Mac and anything else that uses Sync Services. > > We invite you to try this new feature and provide feedback to us. We > are debating whether the final version of 5.1 should have this > feature on by default, or have it hidden so support can activate it > as needed. > > Please let us know what you think and why. > > The feature is controlled by a preference which can be turned on, or > removed using the "defaults" command in the Terminal application. > Missing Sync must be closed for the change to take effect. > > > To turn ON the feature, quit The Missing Sync and copy and paste this > line into the terminal window and press return: > > defaults write com.markspace.missingsync.palmos > "AllowHandheldOverwritesDesktop" -int 1 > > > To turn OFF the feature, quit The Missing Sync, then copy and paste > this line into the terminal window and press return: > > defaults delete com.markspace.missingsync.palmos > "AllowHandheldOverwritesDesktop" > > > > -- > > /Jonathan Lundell. > > _______________________________________________ > > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > > can be found at: > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > > > ******************** > Brian M. Criscuolo > Senior Software Engineer > Mark/Space, Inc. > bcriscuolo@markspace.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Wed Mar 8 07:20:35 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:20:39 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: A hidden 5.1.0b14 feature you can test... In-Reply-To: References: <8958F61E-5C81-4085-B43C-6378D874CBF2@markspace.com> Message-ID: <7AEEB16A-13D5-4512-A759-7F638E44AE76@markspace.com> On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > I suppose the question that needs to be asked, is why did Apple > create this restriction/design in the first place? It's illogical > since the machine you're most likely to carry with you, and > therefore the most likely to be the "dominant" one, is a handheld > not a desktop Mac... > That's taking a viewpoint that the only "important" sync client is one that synchronizes a handheld device. Sync Services is a general purpose sync engine, and it has to be able to manage a variety of clients with a variety of data. The "machine" a user might choose to carry with them could be .Mac - its available everywhere an internet connection is. Or it could be their laptop. Or their iPod. Or.... From an Apple engineer: "Truth pushing is nasty because the user loses data in schema extensions which are not synchronized by the pusher. Not an issue for clients syncing their own, private schema, but scary enough in the case of the common schemas that we played conservative and did not provide a public api for this." We sync data defined by a public schema. I understand why Apple is being conservative, and at the same time I understand the concern about why it isn't easier to perform this action. We are choosing to dip our toe into it carefully. b > Gavin > > On 8 Mar 2006, at 14:37, Brian M. Criscuolo wrote: > >> (... a nice long explanation which I've cut out to save space) > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com From jlundell at pobox.com Wed Mar 8 07:26:06 2006 From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:29:36 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] WOW - beta 14 hangs! In-Reply-To: <4CB95D72-2BD0-4370-861E-37FD19A22432@markspace.com> References: <22A5630D-8DB0-4E97-917C-A62D34CB6052@mac.com> <4CB95D72-2BD0-4370-861E-37FD19A22432@markspace.com> Message-ID: At 8:20 AM -0500 3/8/06, Brian M. Criscuolo wrote: >How long did you let it go before you cancelled? What was the status >message below our progress bar? Do you have a lot of events (like >going back years)? > >I ask because you could be in a part of the sync called mingling, >which is where the sync engine takes over and tries to >merge/identify conflicts/resolve record data and if you have a lot >of data it can take a while. Since its been cancelled it will >*definitely* take longer on the next sync, as the sync engine has >requested that we slow sync and send all your Palm data into the >sync engine. > >If you're confident that your desktop data is complete, you can do a >desktop overwrites handheld, or conversely use Maurice's >instructions from a previous email to do a handheld overwrites >desktop. See below. > >Let us know what your setup is, I'm retrying some stuff. It was, as you suggest, only very slow. I did a sync with the only operation being Events, desktop overwrites, and it did finally finish in about 30 minutes. I do have a few years of events (is there a way to count them?). [On that subject: I'd like to keep my old calendar data for historical purposes, but I have no reason to have all that on my handheld. It seems like I'm forced to either delete the history altogether, or perpetually sync it. Likewise tasks.] When I followed that up with a full sync, I got a dialog that suggested that all (most?) of my contacts had changed, when they had not (this is in the context of the first sync after moving from b10 to b14). IIRC, that happened as well when I moved to b10 (I let it go ahead, and there were no real apparent changes). Disconcerting. My setup: TiPB/500, USB, Treo 650 (Sprint), 10.4.5 with all software updates, iLife 06 ditto. And b14, of course. -- /Jonathan Lundell. From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Wed Mar 8 07:34:17 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:34:21 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] WOW - beta 14 hangs! In-Reply-To: References: <22A5630D-8DB0-4E97-917C-A62D34CB6052@mac.com> <4CB95D72-2BD0-4370-861E-37FD19A22432@markspace.com> Message-ID: <8AAFC1A3-9D5B-424D-A50D-9D252D7D19A8@markspace.com> On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > At 8:20 AM -0500 3/8/06, Brian M. Criscuolo wrote: >> How long did you let it go before you cancelled? What was the >> status message below our progress bar? Do you have a lot of events >> (like going back years)? >> >> I ask because you could be in a part of the sync called mingling, >> which is where the sync engine takes over and tries to merge/ >> identify conflicts/resolve record data and if you have a lot of >> data it can take a while. Since its been cancelled it will >> *definitely* take longer on the next sync, as the sync engine has >> requested that we slow sync and send all your Palm data into the >> sync engine. >> >> If you're confident that your desktop data is complete, you can do >> a desktop overwrites handheld, or conversely use Maurice's >> instructions from a previous email to do a handheld overwrites >> desktop. See below. >> >> Let us know what your setup is, > > I'm retrying some stuff. > > It was, as you suggest, only very slow. I did a sync with the only > operation being Events, desktop overwrites, and it did finally > finish in about 30 minutes. I do have a few years of events (is > there a way to count them?). > That could be a lot of data. Attached is an AppleScript that will tell you how many events and todos are in iCal. It will take a while to run. > [On that subject: I'd like to keep my old calendar data for > historical purposes, but I have no reason to have all that on my > handheld. It seems like I'm forced to either delete the history > altogether, or perpetually sync it. Likewise tasks.] > You could export the calendars containing the historical data, or write an AppleScript to move everything before a certain date to a new calendar and then export that. You *will* see a nice performance increase, in general, in iCal and synchronization. Lots of data is a big drag on iCal. > When I followed that up with a full sync, I got a dialog that > suggested that all (most?) of my contacts had changed, when they > had not (this is in the context of the first sync after moving from > b10 to b14). IIRC, that happened as well when I moved to b10 (I let > it go ahead, and there were no real apparent changes). Disconcerting. > Due to changes involved going from b10 to b14 (and in previous betas) you are likely to see the data change alert. It is just Sync Services seeing additional data changes due to our fixes and code changes. b > My setup: TiPB/500, USB, Treo 650 (Sprint), 10.4.5 with all > software updates, iLife 06 ditto. And b14, of course. > -- > /Jonathan Lundell. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com -------------- next part -------------- From bcriscuolo at markspace.com Wed Mar 8 07:39:23 2006 From: bcriscuolo at markspace.com (Brian M. Criscuolo) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:39:27 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] WOW - beta 14 hangs! In-Reply-To: <8AAFC1A3-9D5B-424D-A50D-9D252D7D19A8@markspace.com> References: <22A5630D-8DB0-4E97-917C-A62D34CB6052@mac.com> <4CB95D72-2BD0-4370-861E-37FD19A22432@markspace.com> <8AAFC1A3-9D5B-424D-A50D-9D252D7D19A8@markspace.com> Message-ID: <9CE08597-CE68-4A20-A0DE-450AFE4ECEF3@markspace.com> Since the list eats attachments, here is the AppleScript. tell application "iCal" set theCals to calendars set theEventCount to 0 set theToDoCount to 0 repeat with theCal in theCals set theEvents to every event of theCal set theEventCount to theEventCount + (count of theEvents) set theToDos to every todo of theCal set theToDoCount to theToDoCount + (count of theToDos) end repeat display dialog "There are " & theEventCount & " events and " & theToDoCount & " todos." return theEventCount + theToDoCount end tell On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Brian M. Criscuolo wrote: > > Attached is an AppleScript that will tell you how many events and > todos are in iCal. It will take a while to run. ******************** Brian M. Criscuolo Senior Software Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. bcriscuolo@markspace.com From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Mar 8 07:48:01 2006 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:48:06 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problems with 5.1b14 - Followup In-Reply-To: <8EF439D7-9DC6-4587-8C54-FBA92B47C21E@mac.com> References: <8EF439D7-9DC6-4587-8C54-FBA92B47C21E@mac.com> Message-ID: <77AD76CF-E51F-4FAB-B624-33B47548646F@markspace.com> On Mar 7, 2006, at 10:57 PM, E-Commerce wrote: > Okay, I went through and synced every single conduit one by one - > BLAM! Memo Pad is the culprit. Sure enough, I can backup all other > conduits without problems if I disable Memo Pad. This is odd, since > I haven't made any changes here in forever. > > I had in sync with "Desktop overwrites Handheld", which worked > fine. I then tried to synchronize with the Memo Pad conduit alone, > and it crashed just as before. > > Also, Backup fails when trying to backup the ScummVM engine (web > site is here: http://capers.free.fr/ScummVM/download.php, the > version I have installed is here: http://capers.free.fr/ScummVM/ > download/arm.zip). If I use FileZ to unset the "backup" flag, then > the backup proceeds normally. This worked under 5.0.3 on PowerPC, > but has not worked on 5.1b10 and later on Intel. The file is 1.9MB, > making it the largest item in my internal memory, so size may be an > issue. Bejeweled, weighing in at 1.5MB, has no problems. > > It also seems that Backup is backing everything up every time. I > can sync twice in a row, and it backs up all of my programs all > over again, even though obviously nothing has changed in them > (things like TCPMP plugins and Bejeweled, that certainly have not > changed). If you haven't already done so, please fill out the feedback form so that we don't lose track of these issues. If possible, please fill out the form once for each issue. As for the backup issue of syncing everything twice in a row, try deleting your Backups directory, syncing, and then syncing again. If you have backup all databases checked, you might uncheck that. In addition, while some apps like the ones you mentioned shouldn't get backed up all the time, other databases will get backed up all the time as handheld applications are notified at the end of the sync and some modify data then which causes then to be changed. (I'll look at the ScummVM engine this morning to see why it is failing.) -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From jlundell at pobox.com Wed Mar 8 07:57:38 2006 From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:57:56 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] WOW - beta 14 hangs! 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