From nanajana at mac.com Tue Nov 1 11:16:52 2005 From: nanajana at mac.com (Jan C.) Date: Tue Nov 1 12:16:55 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] FileMaker Mobile syncs only in one direction Message-ID: I have 3 databases in FMP7 which sync with my Palm T3. One of the databases pretends to sync. However, changes I make on the Palm don't transfer to the iMac and in fact are removed on the Palm when I next sync. It seems that the Desktop overwrites the Palm. Yet the Mobile settings for the DB say the direction is "Bi-directional." My other two DB don't have this problem. Could someone please tell me what I am missing? I have deleted the DB from the Palm and added it again several times and reset user many times. And trashed whatever FileMaker Mobile preferences I could find. Jan Chesne FileMaker Pro 7.0 v3 FileMaker Mobile 7.0.1.36 Palm 5.2.1 OSX 10.4.2 Missing Sync 4.0.6 From missing at biggerhammer.org Tue Nov 1 13:19:10 2005 From: missing at biggerhammer.org (missing@biggerhammer.org) Date: Tue Nov 1 13:19:19 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS MemoPad stopped working In-Reply-To: <200511012002.jA1K0Qge029674@sparrow.markspace.com> References: <200511012002.jA1K0Qge029674@sparrow.markspace.com> Message-ID: <181AB2A9-24C3-4B39-B49B-10E4B93A5C89@biggerhammer.org> I've been sync'ing with MS memo pad for the last few months without incident. Last night, in the middle of MemoPad sync, sync'ing failed. Today I looked at MemoPad on my Mac and there are no memos in it. My Tungsten C still has all the memos on it. I tried selecting 'Handheld overwrites Mac' and sync'ing. The sync finishes without error but there are still no memos in MemoPad. Any idea how to get this bak on track? Thanks On Nov 1, 2005, at 12:02 PM, missing-sync-palmos-talk- request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > Send missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos- > talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-palmos-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-palmos-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-palmos-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: missing-sync-palmos-talk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 26 > (Scott Gruby) > 2. Re: missing-sync-palmos-talk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 26 > (Brian Hall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:39:09 -0800 > From: Scott Gruby > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: missing-sync-palmos-talk > Digest, Vol 29, Issue 26 > To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Palm OS\) Discussion List" > > Message-ID: <4B83A4DF-5FE3-4E58-AE01-626F16B390DC@markspace.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Oct 31, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Nest Joseph wrote: > > >> I deleted hotsync manager and removed any programs in >> my startup and have had no issues. however, my ical >> does not sync all of my addresses, just names and >> numbers. i think that is a missing sync issue, unless >> someone can tell me otherwise. >> >> e >> > > Missing Sync does not control what data syncs; it is up to the > conduit. In your case, it is Apple's iSync conduit that has an issue. > Most likely you have addresses listed as work addresses. See: www.markspace.com/support/index.php?x=&mod_id=2&id=2427>. Also note > that Apple's iSync conduit doesn't sync data like birthdays, URLs, > etc. with newer Palm devices such as the Treo 650. It only syncs with > a basic set of data such as first name, last name, and some of the > phone numbers. > > -- > Scott Gruby > Lead Engineer > Mark/Space, Inc. > > > Please visit for assistance with > Mark/Space products. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:49:45 -0800 > From: Brian Hall > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: missing-sync-palmos-talk > Digest, Vol 29, Issue 26 > To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Palm OS\) Discussion List" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >> I deleted hotsync manager and removed any programs in >> my startup and have had no issues. however, my ical >> does not sync all of my addresses, just names and >> numbers. i think that is a missing sync issue, unless >> someone can tell me otherwise. >> > > It is an issue/limitation of the Apple iSync conduit. > > See the following for a list of limitations of Apple's iSync Conduit: > > > > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > > > End of missing-sync-palmos-talk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1 > ******************************************************* > > From eullman at markspace.com Tue Nov 1 19:24:45 2005 From: eullman at markspace.com (Eric Ullman) Date: Tue Nov 1 19:24:47 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 Message-ID: Hello, Mark/Space has just released version 5.0 of The Missing Sync for Palm OS! So what's new in 5.0? Here's a brief list of what we think are the most exciting features in this release. BETTER SYNCING WITH ADDRESS BOOK AND ICAL IN MAC OS X 10.4 TIGER No longer will you be frustrated by Apple's iSync Conduit. If you're running Tiger, The Missing Sync for Palm OS v5.0 replaces the iSync Palm Conduit with Mark/Space Contacts, Events and Tasks. Calendar categories, multiple postal addresses, birthday, IM address and other fields are now synchronized. CONTACT PHOTO SYNCHRONIZATION For the first time, support is provided to sync the picture field for each contact entry in Tiger's Address Book. For example, if you take a picture with your Treo and assign it to a contact, that photo will appear in Address Book after your next sync. Likewise, photos assigned to contacts in Address Book will be synchronized to devices that support contact record photos. NEW FOLDER SYNC CONDUIT We've created a conduit that allows you to keep one or more folders on your Mac in sync with your Palm OS device. Sync files in one or both directions. IPHOTO ALBUM AND ITUNES PLAYLIST SYNCING Version 5.0 adds two new conduits for syncing with iPhoto and iTunes. Pick one or more iPhoto albums and/or iTunes playlists and have them synced to your Palm OS handheld or smartphone. Supports random-selection smart playlists and photo resizing for optimal handheld viewing. With all this and more, we hope that you will find the new 5.0 version of The Missing Sync a fabulous product. Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in this release, see: <>. Best regards, Eric -- Eric Ullman Director of Sales and Marketing Mark/Space, Inc. eullman@markspace.com From eullman at markspace.com Tue Nov 1 19:40:05 2005 From: eullman at markspace.com (Eric Ullman) Date: Tue Nov 1 19:40:08 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, all. That last paragraph should have read as follows. Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in this release, see: . -Eric On 11/1/05 19:24, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > Hello, > > Mark/Space has just released version 5.0 of The Missing Sync for Palm OS! > > So what's new in 5.0? Here's a brief list of what we think are the most > exciting features in this release. > > BETTER SYNCING WITH ADDRESS BOOK AND ICAL IN MAC OS X 10.4 TIGER > No longer will you be frustrated by Apple's iSync Conduit. If you're running > Tiger, The Missing Sync for Palm OS v5.0 replaces the iSync Palm Conduit with > Mark/Space Contacts, Events and Tasks. Calendar categories, multiple postal > addresses, birthday, IM address and other fields are now synchronized. > > CONTACT PHOTO SYNCHRONIZATION > For the first time, support is provided to sync the picture field for each > contact entry in Tiger's Address Book. For example, if you take a picture with > your Treo and assign it to a contact, that photo will appear in Address Book > after your next sync. Likewise, photos assigned to contacts in Address Book > will be synchronized to devices that support contact record photos. > > NEW FOLDER SYNC CONDUIT > We've created a conduit that allows you to keep one or more folders on your > Mac in sync with your Palm OS device. Sync files in one or both directions. > > IPHOTO ALBUM AND ITUNES PLAYLIST SYNCING > Version 5.0 adds two new conduits for syncing with iPhoto and iTunes. Pick one > or more iPhoto albums and/or iTunes playlists and have them synced to your > Palm OS handheld or smartphone. Supports random-selection smart playlists and > photo resizing for optimal handheld viewing. > > With all this and more, we hope that you will find the new 5.0 version of The > Missing Sync a fabulous product. > > Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or > for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after > October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in this > release, see: <>. > > Best regards, > Eric From m.griffith at mary.acu.edu.au Tue Nov 1 19:52:38 2005 From: m.griffith at mary.acu.edu.au (Michael Griffith) Date: Tue Nov 1 19:53:02 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/11/05 2:40 PM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: No improvements here for Entourage users? MG > Sorry, all. That last paragraph should have read as follows. > > Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or > for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after > October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in > this release, see: . > > -Eric > > > On 11/1/05 19:24, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Mark/Space has just released version 5.0 of The Missing Sync for Palm OS! >> >> So what's new in 5.0? Here's a brief list of what we think are the most >> exciting features in this release. >> >> BETTER SYNCING WITH ADDRESS BOOK AND ICAL IN MAC OS X 10.4 TIGER >> No longer will you be frustrated by Apple's iSync Conduit. If you're running >> Tiger, The Missing Sync for Palm OS v5.0 replaces the iSync Palm Conduit with >> Mark/Space Contacts, Events and Tasks. Calendar categories, multiple postal >> addresses, birthday, IM address and other fields are now synchronized. >> >> CONTACT PHOTO SYNCHRONIZATION >> For the first time, support is provided to sync the picture field for each >> contact entry in Tiger's Address Book. For example, if you take a picture >> with >> your Treo and assign it to a contact, that photo will appear in Address Book >> after your next sync. Likewise, photos assigned to contacts in Address Book >> will be synchronized to devices that support contact record photos. >> >> NEW FOLDER SYNC CONDUIT >> We've created a conduit that allows you to keep one or more folders on your >> Mac in sync with your Palm OS device. Sync files in one or both directions. >> >> IPHOTO ALBUM AND ITUNES PLAYLIST SYNCING >> Version 5.0 adds two new conduits for syncing with iPhoto and iTunes. Pick >> one >> or more iPhoto albums and/or iTunes playlists and have them synced to your >> Palm OS handheld or smartphone. Supports random-selection smart playlists and >> photo resizing for optimal handheld viewing. >> >> With all this and more, we hope that you will find the new 5.0 version of The >> Missing Sync a fabulous product. >> >> Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or >> for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after >> October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in this >> release, see: <>. >> >> Best regards, >> Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk Associate Professor Michael Griffith School of Arts and Sciences Australian Catholic University Limited ABN 15 050 192 660 PO Box 968, North Sydney 2059 Ph: +61 2 9701 4192 Fax: +61 2 9701 4263 Email: M.griffith@mary.acu.edu.au From gcsthomas at mac.com Tue Nov 1 20:14:35 2005 From: gcsthomas at mac.com (Geoffrey Thomas) Date: Tue Nov 1 20:14:41 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Eric, Excuse me for being a little jaded but I bought your product on Sept. 17 to use with my newly acquired Treo 650 and after probably a total of 48 hours of frustration have yet to get it to work properly. Needless to say it has not met my expectations and by the number of posts to this discussion list there are a few other people that are less than satisfied. And now you announce an upgrade that is going to cost 63% of the original product's price which doesn't include any solution to the Entourage sync problem? I think I'll save my money and wait for the Entourage conduit. -- Geoff Thomas > From: Eric Ullman > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:40:05 -0800 > To: missing-sync-palmos-talk > Conversation: Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm > OS, v5.0 > > Sorry, all. That last paragraph should have read as follows. > > Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or > for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after > October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in > this release, see: . > > -Eric > > > On 11/1/05 19:24, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Mark/Space has just released version 5.0 of The Missing Sync for Palm OS! >> >> So what's new in 5.0? Here's a brief list of what we think are the most >> exciting features in this release. >> >> BETTER SYNCING WITH ADDRESS BOOK AND ICAL IN MAC OS X 10.4 TIGER >> No longer will you be frustrated by Apple's iSync Conduit. If you're running >> Tiger, The Missing Sync for Palm OS v5.0 replaces the iSync Palm Conduit with >> Mark/Space Contacts, Events and Tasks. Calendar categories, multiple postal >> addresses, birthday, IM address and other fields are now synchronized. >> >> CONTACT PHOTO SYNCHRONIZATION >> For the first time, support is provided to sync the picture field for each >> contact entry in Tiger's Address Book. For example, if you take a picture >> with >> your Treo and assign it to a contact, that photo will appear in Address Book >> after your next sync. Likewise, photos assigned to contacts in Address Book >> will be synchronized to devices that support contact record photos. >> >> NEW FOLDER SYNC CONDUIT >> We've created a conduit that allows you to keep one or more folders on your >> Mac in sync with your Palm OS device. Sync files in one or both directions. >> >> IPHOTO ALBUM AND ITUNES PLAYLIST SYNCING >> Version 5.0 adds two new conduits for syncing with iPhoto and iTunes. Pick >> one >> or more iPhoto albums and/or iTunes playlists and have them synced to your >> Palm OS handheld or smartphone. Supports random-selection smart playlists and >> photo resizing for optimal handheld viewing. >> >> With all this and more, we hope that you will find the new 5.0 version of The >> Missing Sync a fabulous product. >> >> Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or >> for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after >> October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in this >> release, see: <>. >> >> Best regards, >> Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From eullman at markspace.com Tue Nov 1 20:27:39 2005 From: eullman at markspace.com (Eric Ullman) Date: Tue Nov 1 20:27:42 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Michael (and others interested in improved Entourage sync support), Earlier this year, Microsoft announced their plans to introduce support for Tiger's Sync Services by introducing a Sync Services client. At that time, they announced their intention to ship that update in the summer of this year. We were excited about that announcement, since it meant that our adding Sync Services support to The Missing Sync would allow the new Entourage sync capability to reach Palm OS devices via The Missing Sync. Unfortunately, Microsoft's support for Sync Services has been delayed, though why, we're not certain. Now Software has also been working on Sync Services Support for their Now Contact and Up-to-Date products, and we are looking forward to seeing more developers do the same. As soon as these products support Sync Services in Tiger, we'll see improved Palm OS synchronization. My understanding is that support isn't far off. Best regards, Eric On 11/1/05 19:52, "Michael Griffith" wrote: > On 2/11/05 2:40 PM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > No improvements here for Entourage users? > MG > >> Sorry, all. That last paragraph should have read as follows. >> >> Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or >> for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after >> October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in >> this release, see: . >> >> -Eric From brianleee at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 21:16:06 2005 From: brianleee at gmail.com (Brian Lee) Date: Tue Nov 1 21:16:14 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, I was kinda skeptical at purchasing the upgrade right away since I had bought missing sync not too long ago but this is a big improvement over version 4 I mean huge the much much improved address book sync is well worth the money. You guys really picked up and surpassed palm I'm loving my Treo 650 that much more because of missing sync. No longer do I have to manually "file" contacts that get dropped in "unfiled" such a time saver it almost makes the Treo function and feel like an Apple device. I have yet to test the iTunes and iPhoto sync since I have an iPod, SUCK IT PALM DESKTOP!!!!! Regards, Brian On 1-Nov-05, at 10:24 PM, Eric Ullman wrote: > Hello, > > Mark/Space has just released version 5.0 of The Missing Sync for > Palm OS! > > So what's new in 5.0? Here's a brief list of what we think are the > most > exciting features in this release. > > BETTER SYNCING WITH ADDRESS BOOK AND ICAL IN MAC OS X 10.4 TIGER > No longer will you be frustrated by Apple's iSync Conduit. If > you're running > Tiger, The Missing Sync for Palm OS v5.0 replaces the iSync Palm > Conduit > with Mark/Space Contacts, Events and Tasks. Calendar categories, > multiple > postal addresses, birthday, IM address and other fields are now > synchronized. > > CONTACT PHOTO SYNCHRONIZATION > For the first time, support is provided to sync the picture field > for each > contact entry in Tiger's Address Book. For example, if you take a > picture > with your Treo and assign it to a contact, that photo will appear > in Address > Book after your next sync. Likewise, photos assigned to contacts in > Address > Book will be synchronized to devices that support contact record > photos. > > NEW FOLDER SYNC CONDUIT > We've created a conduit that allows you to keep one or more folders > on your > Mac in sync with your Palm OS device. Sync files in one or both > directions. > > IPHOTO ALBUM AND ITUNES PLAYLIST SYNCING > Version 5.0 adds two new conduits for syncing with iPhoto and > iTunes. Pick > one or more iPhoto albums and/or iTunes playlists and have them > synced to > your Palm OS handheld or smartphone. Supports random-selection smart > playlists and photo resizing for optimal handheld viewing. > > With all this and more, we hope that you will find the new 5.0 > version of > The Missing Sync a fabulous product. > > Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync > product, or > for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or > after > October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new > features in > this release, see: <>. > > Best regards, > Eric > > -- > Eric Ullman > Director of Sales and Marketing > Mark/Space, Inc. > eullman@markspace.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From berkowit at silcom.com Tue Nov 1 22:34:25 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Tue Nov 1 22:35:06 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/1/05 8:27 PM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > Unfortunately, Microsoft's support for Sync Services has been delayed, > though why, we're not certain. You've been told several times it was due to bugs in OS 10.4.1 which was the OS version in existence when Microsoft was building their SP2 for Office 2004, the upgrade that was indeed released in the summer and that was originally meant to include SyncServices capability. Microsoft has said that Apple was working with them to fix these bugs. If OS 10.4.3 has fixed those bugs, you can expect that Microsoft will commence building a new update to Entourage now to implement SyncServices. Microsoft has recently reiterated that they _will_ be releasing a patch for Entourage 2004, as promised, to do so. It will not be delayed until the next major version of Office. You can surely understand that with a suite of products the size of Office - over a million lines of code - they cannot release updates every few weeks. So many things are contingent on one another that any significant update is a major undertaking and has to be fit in their work schedules, which must surely also be focused on all the changes they have to make for the next version of Office - switching to Xcode, building for MacIntels, new Office 12 file formats, new UI. etc. etc. SyncServices for Entourage 2004 will come, nonetheless. It's good to know that Missing Sync is ready for that. (Or is it? I thought you were just beginning your own work on SyncServices. Is it already incorporated into this new version 5.0? Or is Microsoft's delay actually welcome to you?) -- Paul Berkowitz From brian_hall at markspace.com Tue Nov 1 23:35:04 2005 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Tue Nov 1 23:35:17 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >(Or is it? I thought you were just beginning your own work on SyncServices. >Is it already incorporated into this new version 5.0? Or is Microsoft's >delay actually welcome to you?) The 5.0 release includes sync services conduits for each of tasks, contacts, and events. Currently that (effectively) means sync for iCal and Address Book, but as other PIM apps adopt sync services (such as NOW and Microsoft), we're ready. We also have been supporting sync services in our Windows Mobile and hiptop versions of Missing Sync, so we're sync services savvy across the board as of the 5.0 release today. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 From chrisridd at mac.com Wed Nov 2 00:41:53 2005 From: chrisridd at mac.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Wed Nov 2 00:42:02 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync Services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/11/05 7:35, Brian Hall wrote: >> (Or is it? I thought you were just beginning your own work on SyncServices. >> Is it already incorporated into this new version 5.0? Or is Microsoft's >> delay actually welcome to you?) > > The 5.0 release includes sync services conduits for each of tasks, > contacts, and events. > > Currently that (effectively) means sync for iCal and Address Book, but as > other PIM apps adopt sync services (such as NOW and Microsoft), we're ready. > > We also have been supporting sync services in our Windows Mobile and hiptop > versions of Missing Sync, so we're sync services savvy across the board as > of the 5.0 release today. AIUI prior to Missing Sync 5 in order to sync between other Sync Services things and a Palm required a click in iSync.app *and* a press of the Hotsync button on the Palm. (But this is only AIUI - being an Entourage user I've never really run iSync.app in anger.) Is this still the case in MS 5, or can pressing one button (which one?) start "everything"? Cheers, Chris From rogerzender at hotmail.com Wed Nov 2 06:29:11 2005 From: rogerzender at hotmail.com (Roger Zender) Date: Wed Nov 2 06:29:19 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync Services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just to be clear... So there no advantage for a user running Entourage 2004 & OS 10.3.9 to upgrade to this new Missing Sync? Roger ~~ http://www.rogerzmusic.com ~~ Support Live Music! > From: Brian Hall > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:35:04 -0800 > To: , "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync Services > >> (Or is it? I thought you were just beginning your own work on SyncServices. >> Is it already incorporated into this new version 5.0? Or is Microsoft's >> delay actually welcome to you?) > > The 5.0 release includes sync services conduits for each of tasks, > contacts, and events. > > Currently that (effectively) means sync for iCal and Address Book, but as > other PIM apps adopt sync services (such as NOW and Microsoft), we're ready. > > We also have been supporting sync services in our Windows Mobile and hiptop > versions of Missing Sync, so we're sync services savvy across the board as > of the 5.0 release today. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From berkowit at silcom.com Wed Nov 2 07:09:28 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Wed Nov 2 07:09:51 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync Services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/1/05 11:35 PM, "Brian Hall" wrote: >> (Or is it? I thought you were just beginning your own work on SyncServices. >> Is it already incorporated into this new version 5.0? Or is Microsoft's >> delay actually welcome to you?) > > The 5.0 release includes sync services conduits for each of tasks, > contacts, and events. > > Currently that (effectively) means sync for iCal and Address Book, but as > other PIM apps adopt sync services (such as NOW and Microsoft), we're ready. > > We also have been supporting sync services in our Windows Mobile and hiptop > versions of Missing Sync, so we're sync services savvy across the board as > of the 5.0 release today. Very good to know. Thanks, Brian. -- Paul Berkowitz From brian_hall at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 07:45:58 2005 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Wed Nov 2 07:47:16 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > >Just to be clear... So there no advantage for a user running Entourage 2004 >& OS 10.3.9 to upgrade to this new Missing Sync? There are plenty of (other) advantages, but they would not relate to how Entourage syncs, as you would still be using the Entourage conduit - at least until Microsoft releases a version that supports sync services. For a list of new features, see http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_palmos_features.html Only the first 3 of that list would not apply to Entourage users. Also, it may be that because of the improved sync with Sync Services that 3rd party Entourage solutions such as Paul's well-respected scripts, and e2Sync will be able to do a better job, but I'm just extrapolating here and it would be best if people using those products were to chime in (while many at Mark/Space personally use Entourage, I am not one of them). Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 From mailinglists at detayls.com Wed Nov 2 08:06:15 2005 From: mailinglists at detayls.com (David Taylor) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:06:46 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Is time zone feature for events supported in version 5.0? Message-ID: <63048AFF-F97A-491B-844C-395C5E9A062A@detayls.com> I asked this question on October 20, when Missing Sync 4 was the latest and Patricia was kind enough to reply. Has anything changed? My shiny new Treo 650 from Verizon can support events in multiple time zones. There's a cryptic note in the install guide that tells you to switch the support off unless you are using Outlook on the PC. Can I use Missing Sync for Palm OS with iCal and turn on and use the time zone feature? Thanks. David -- David W. Taylor, Detayls www.detayls.com From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 08:15:04 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:15:22 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Is time zone feature for events supported in version 5.0? In-Reply-To: <63048AFF-F97A-491B-844C-395C5E9A062A@detayls.com> References: <63048AFF-F97A-491B-844C-395C5E9A062A@detayls.com> Message-ID: <7381A02D-2B82-413D-A205-5DD6FB88E812@markspace.com> On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:06 AM, David Taylor wrote: > I asked this question on October 20, when Missing Sync 4 was the > latest and Patricia was kind enough to reply. Has anything changed? > > My shiny new Treo 650 from Verizon can support events in multiple > time zones. > > There's a cryptic note in the install guide that tells you to > switch the support off unless you are using Outlook on the PC. > > Can I use Missing Sync for Palm OS with iCal and turn on and use > the time zone feature? > Yes, if you're running Tiger (10.4), Missing Sync for Palm OS 5 supports the time zone feature of iCal and the Treo 650, LifeDrive, Tx, etc. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From mailinglists at detayls.com Wed Nov 2 08:28:48 2005 From: mailinglists at detayls.com (David Taylor) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:29:03 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Is time zone feature for events supported in version 5.0? In-Reply-To: <7381A02D-2B82-413D-A205-5DD6FB88E812@markspace.com> References: <63048AFF-F97A-491B-844C-395C5E9A062A@detayls.com> <7381A02D-2B82-413D-A205-5DD6FB88E812@markspace.com> Message-ID: <53B551C9-9CF6-4CB1-A74C-3F65EA563074@detayls.com> Coolness. That just made me a new customer! Thanks. David -- David W. Taylor, Detayls www.detayls.com On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Scott Gruby wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:06 AM, David Taylor wrote: > > >> I asked this question on October 20, when Missing Sync 4 was the >> latest and Patricia was kind enough to reply. Has anything changed? >> >> My shiny new Treo 650 from Verizon can support events in multiple >> time zones. >> >> There's a cryptic note in the install guide that tells you to >> switch the support off unless you are using Outlook on the PC. >> >> Can I use Missing Sync for Palm OS with iCal and turn on and use >> the time zone feature? >> >> > > Yes, if you're running Tiger (10.4), Missing Sync for Palm OS 5 > supports the time zone feature of iCal and the Treo 650, LifeDrive, > Tx, etc. > > -- > Scott Gruby > Lead Engineer > Mark/Space, Inc. > > > Please visit for assistance > with Mark/Space products. > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From gerber at inik.net Wed Nov 2 08:51:43 2005 From: gerber at inik.net (Nik) Date: Wed Nov 2 08:51:58 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Questions about MS 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been a non-Palm user for a couple of years now, mostly because I cannot adequately put info onto my Palm. The lack of categories made my (1,000+ record) address book and task list completely unmanageable. Well, looks like Mark/Space has finally made some decent conduits for Apple's apps in OS X! Hooray! I have a few questions about how these things work before I plunk down a hard-earned $25 for the upgrade. Address book categories: How do you deal with a contact that exists in multiple categories? Which wins? iCal Calendars/Categories: Do event categories in Agendus get sync'd to appropriate calendars in iCal? Alternate task conduit: If I want to use a program OTHER than iCal for tasks (e.g. use Palm Desktop for tasks but iCal for calendars) can I do so using the new program? Under the old conduits, iCal was an all or nothing option, I couldn't just use part of it. What about subscribed iCal calendars? Do they sync normally? File/folder sync: Does this sync up to the memory card when I sync my Clie, or will I have to mount the memory card and then invoke something else to get my MP3s, photos and other docs across to the Palm? Lastly, if I purchase the upgrade and am less than satisfied, can I get a refund? Alternately, is there an option to demo the v5 upgrade and test it out a bit before I purchase? Thanks! --Nik ---- Get your biz on at the Vicarious MBA! From mailinglists at detayls.com Wed Nov 2 09:00:47 2005 From: mailinglists at detayls.com (David Taylor) Date: Wed Nov 2 09:01:20 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Howto: migrate a Treo 650 from Windows to Missing Sync 5... Message-ID: <14FEE62E-8D51-4205-AF13-1C787F587290@detayls.com> Hi there. Now that Scott G. has reassured me that I can use time zones with my Treo, I need some help with an OS migration. Currently I am syncing a Verizon Treo 650 with Palm Desktop/Hotsync on my work laptop, which runs Windows XP SP2. I would like to transfer the sync to Missing Sync 5.0 on my G5 tower running Tiger (10.4). Currently the set of applications in use is: Contacts Tasks (to-dos) Datebook Memos Avantgo -- could be removed SplashWallet (SplashId etc) -- important but could be removed My impulse is simply to install Missing Sync on the G5 and then hook up my Treo and press the sync button. Do you think that it is that simple? Do you have any advice before attempting this? I am assuming that I should avoid all connections to my PC after the migration to the extent of uninstalling Palm Desktop/Hotsync etc. Also how do I do a backup of my data before I start this? Thanks. David -- David W. Taylor, Detayls www.detayls.com From missing at biggerhammer.org Wed Nov 2 09:27:24 2005 From: missing at biggerhammer.org (missing@biggerhammer.org) Date: Wed Nov 2 09:27:53 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS 5 In-Reply-To: <200511021655.jA2GsOn6022031@sparrow.markspace.com> References: <200511021655.jA2GsOn6022031@sparrow.markspace.com> Message-ID: <1B2746C8-8DF8-429A-87DD-8DED08DE9C2E@biggerhammer.org> Has the supposed conflict between Docs to Go and MS been resolved in this version? I currently keep MS 4.0.6 open all the time so I don't have to click the icon 2-3 times just to get it to launch. From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 09:30:17 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 09:30:36 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Questions about MS 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CA4CB91-056F-4B7A-A3A4-6ABB591420C8@markspace.com> On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:51 AM, Nik wrote: > I've been a non-Palm user for a couple of years now, mostly because > I cannot adequately put info onto my Palm. The lack of categories > made my (1,000+ record) address book and task list completely > unmanageable. > > Well, looks like Mark/Space has finally made some decent conduits > for Apple's apps in OS X! Hooray! > > I have a few questions about how these things work before I plunk > down a hard-earned $25 for the upgrade. > > Address book categories: How do you deal with a contact that exists > in multiple categories? Which wins? > The first category is used (first is either alphabetic or how Sync Services/Address Book stores it internally). > iCal Calendars/Categories: Do event categories in Agendus get > sync'd to appropriate calendars in iCal? > We support categories in Calendar used by the Treo 650, Tx, etc. I'm not sure of what will happen in Agendus. Note that the extra fields that Agendus may have are not supported as the extra fields are specific to PalmOne devices such as the Treo 650, LifeDrive, etc. > Alternate task conduit: If I want to use a program OTHER than iCal > for tasks (e.g. use Palm Desktop for tasks but iCal for calendars) > can I do so using the new program? Under the old conduits, iCal was > an all or nothing option, I couldn't just use part of it. > Events and Tasks are separate, so you don't have to use Tasks if you use Events. > What about subscribed iCal calendars? Do they sync normally? > Yes. > File/folder sync: Does this sync up to the memory card when I sync > my Clie, or will I have to mount the memory card and then invoke > something else to get my MP3s, photos and other docs across to the > Palm? > You don't have to mount the card; folder sync happens during the rest of the sync process. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From ique at lycestra.com Wed Nov 2 10:03:14 2005 From: ique at lycestra.com (Joe Garcia) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync 5 and iQue Waypoints? Message-ID: Greetings. I saw the new Missing Sync, and figured that it is likely worth the upgrade. I just have one concern. As an iQue owner, i was wondering how Waypoints might be synced. The way they are stored in the iQue is as a string in the notes field for events, and the 4th custom field for contacts. Contacts, from the FAQ at http://www.markspace.com/support/index.php? x=&mod_id=2&id=2560 , would seem that if that is literally how the code works, the waypoint field might be interpreted as a phone number. for reference, the format used is simply "GARMIN " followed by 2 8-digit hex values (GARMIN 1234ABCD DEADBEEF). If the contact entry doesn't have a waypoint associated with it, 4th custom field is visible, and can be used for other purposes. I'd suspect if the software sees a string formatted for a waypoint (GARMIN %08X %08X), it interprets it as such, and hides the 4th field when viewing the contact, and just in that case. Events, i'd expect to be a non-issue since its already in the notes, which is easy enough to sync bidirectional without losing data or misinterpretation. format is longer than the Contacts, but is still simple text. (GRMN1234ABCD DEADBEEF\nGID0000000morehex000) Do I need to worry about waypoints being lost? Would they be detected and ignored, or synced and stored elsewhere? iSync Palm on 10.3 was mostly harmless. 10.4's Apple palm conduit seemed to rebuild the database entries for contacts modified on the mac, and since the mac doesn't have waypoint information, it's omitted. Neither were very good... Right now, my iQue only has 3 waypoints, and I haven't gotten around to patching the old backed-up values back in, for fear i'd just lose them again. Thanks much. -- Joe Garcia From berkowit at silcom.com Wed Nov 2 10:04:35 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:05:25 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Questions about MS 5.0 In-Reply-To: <1CA4CB91-056F-4B7A-A3A4-6ABB591420C8@markspace.com> Message-ID: On 11/2/05 9:30 AM, "Scott Gruby" wrote: >> >> Address book categories: How do you deal with a contact that exists >> in multiple categories? Which wins? >> > > The first category is used (first is either alphabetic or how Sync > Services/Address Book stores it internally). I'm a little bit mystified as to this discussion of Address Book "categories". Apple's Address Book.app doesn't have categories. Would this be synching Palm categories to Address Book.app's Groups? (Which would be sensible.) -- Paul Berkowitz From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 10:09:56 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:10:05 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS 5 In-Reply-To: <1B2746C8-8DF8-429A-87DD-8DED08DE9C2E@biggerhammer.org> References: <200511021655.jA2GsOn6022031@sparrow.markspace.com> <1B2746C8-8DF8-429A-87DD-8DED08DE9C2E@biggerhammer.org> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:27 AM, missing@biggerhammer.org wrote: > Has the supposed conflict between Docs to Go and MS been resolved > in this version? > > I currently keep MS 4.0.6 open all the time so I don't have to > click the icon 2-3 times just to get it to launch. DataViz addressed this issue awhile ago. Information can be found at: -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From m.griffith at mary.acu.edu.au Wed Nov 2 10:15:39 2005 From: m.griffith at mary.acu.edu.au (Michael Griffith) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:16:01 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync Services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3/11/05 2:45 AM, "Brian Hall" wrote: I am using e2sync and am really liking its rich interface with Entourage 2004. I had several difficulties syncing when I had Missing Sync installed. I then discovered that Palm Hotsync had a free Tyger upgrade Palm OS 4.2.1 reveision d. When I ran e2sync with this all my problems disappeared. So I feel I should be sticking with HotSync for now, because the new version of MissingSync does not address the Entourage conduit and nor does it (by their own admission) support the e2sync conduit... Hope that helps.... But I may well come back to upgrade my Missing sync if and when they have talked to the guys at e2sync (because Missing Sync is essentially a richer product than Hotsync!) Cheers Michael >> >> >> Just to be clear... So there no advantage for a user running Entourage 2004 >> & OS 10.3.9 to upgrade to this new Missing Sync? > > There are plenty of (other) advantages, but they would not relate to how > Entourage syncs, as you would still be using the Entourage conduit - at > least until Microsoft releases a version that supports sync services. > > For a list of new features, see > http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_palmos_features.html > > Only the first 3 of that list would not apply to Entourage users. > > Also, it may be that because of the improved sync with Sync Services that > 3rd party Entourage solutions such as Paul's well-respected scripts, and > e2Sync will be able to do a better job, but I'm just extrapolating here and > it would be best if people using those products were to chime in (while > many at Mark/Space personally use Entourage, I am not one of them). > > Brian > Associate Professor Michael Griffith School of Arts and Sciences Australian Catholic University Limited ABN 15 050 192 660 PO Box 968, North Sydney 2059 Ph: +61 2 9701 4192 Fax: +61 2 9701 4263 Email: M.griffith@mary.acu.edu.au From chrisridd at mac.com Wed Nov 2 10:18:41 2005 From: chrisridd at mac.com (Chris Ridd) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:18:54 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS 5 In-Reply-To: <1B2746C8-8DF8-429A-87DD-8DED08DE9C2E@biggerhammer.org> Message-ID: On 2/11/05 5:27, missing@biggerhammer.org wrote: > Has the supposed conflict between Docs to Go and MS been resolved in > this version? It was fixed in a patch from Dataviz to DtG 7.something. > I currently keep MS 4.0.6 open all the time so I don't have to click > the icon 2-3 times just to get it to launch. OTOH the new option to synchronize stuff to a memory card folder means you can sync the native Office files without using the conduit, which seems like a useful alternative approach. Cheers, Chris From donald.stidwell at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 10:24:55 2005 From: donald.stidwell at gmail.com (Donald Stidwell) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:25:07 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS 5 In-Reply-To: <1B2746C8-8DF8-429A-87DD-8DED08DE9C2E@biggerhammer.org> Message-ID: This was answered recently. There's a patch on the Dataviz website that corrects this. On 11/2/05 12:27 PM, "missing@biggerhammer.org" wrote: > Has the supposed conflict between Docs to Go and MS been resolved in > this version? > > I currently keep MS 4.0.6 open all the time so I don't have to click > the icon 2-3 times just to get it to launch. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 10:42:19 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:42:29 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Questions about MS 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 11/2/05 9:30 AM, "Scott Gruby" wrote: > >>> >>> Address book categories: How do you deal with a contact that exists >>> in multiple categories? Which wins? >>> >> >> The first category is used (first is either alphabetic or how Sync >> Services/Address Book stores it internally). > > I'm a little bit mystified as to this discussion of Address Book > "categories". Apple's Address Book.app doesn't have categories. > Would this > be synching Palm categories to Address Book.app's Groups? (Which > would be > sensible.) > > - Yes, I'm referring to groups. Sorry about the confusion. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From brian_hall at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 10:45:58 2005 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:46:08 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS 5 In-Reply-To: <1B2746C8-8DF8-429A-87DD-8DED08DE9C2E@biggerhammer.org> References: <200511021655.jA2GsOn6022031@sparrow.markspace.com> <1B2746C8-8DF8-429A-87DD-8DED08DE9C2E@biggerhammer.org> Message-ID: At 9:27 AM -0800 11/2/05, missing@biggerhammer.org wrote: >Has the supposed conflict between Docs to Go and MS been resolved in >this version? > >I currently keep MS 4.0.6 open all the time so I don't have to click >the icon 2-3 times just to get it to launch. See the link that Scott suggested. Dataviz has a fix, but not everybody knows about it. Also, we made a change in Missing Sync 5 such that we detect the error in the dataviz conduit and rather than the icon bouncing and nothing happens, you now get an alert that says the docs2go conduit made an illegal call to exittoshell. It still makes Missing Sync quit when that happens, but at least you know why rather than having to guess. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 10:53:23 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:53:32 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync 5 and iQue Waypoints? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D42FD53-BCAA-4295-8528-7E5249260E78@markspace.com> On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Joe Garcia wrote: > Greetings. > > I saw the new Missing Sync, and figured that it is likely worth the > upgrade. I just have one concern. As an iQue owner, i was > wondering how Waypoints might be synced. The way they are stored > in the iQue is as a string in the notes field for events, and the > 4th custom field for contacts. > > Contacts, from the FAQ at http://www.markspace.com/support/ > index.php?x=&mod_id=2&id=2560 , would seem that if that is > literally how the code works, the waypoint field might be > interpreted as a phone number. for reference, the format used is > simply "GARMIN " followed by 2 8-digit hex values (GARMIN 1234ABCD > DEADBEEF). If the contact entry doesn't have a waypoint associated > with it, 4th custom field is visible, and can be used for other > purposes. I'd suspect if the software sees a string formatted for > a waypoint (GARMIN %08X %08X), it interprets it as such, and hides > the 4th field when viewing the contact, and just in that case. > Events, i'd expect to be a non-issue since its already in the > notes, which is easy enough to sync bidirectional without losing > data or misinterpretation. format is longer than the Contacts, but > is still simple text. (GRMN1234ABCD DEADBEEF\nGID0000000morehex000) > > Do I need to worry about waypoints being lost? Would they be > detected and ignored, or synced and stored elsewhere? > > At this time, our initial tests indicate that the waypoints are NOT retained. We are investigating this issue and hope to have a fix in the near future. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From mike at mactech-solutions.com Wed Nov 2 10:54:51 2005 From: mike at mactech-solutions.com (Mike Braziel) Date: Wed Nov 2 10:55:09 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Questions about MS 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 11/2/05 9:30 AM, "Scott Gruby" wrote: > >>> >>> Address book categories: How do you deal with a contact that exists >>> in multiple categories? Which wins? >>> >> >> The first category is used (first is either alphabetic or how Sync >> Services/Address Book stores it internally). > > I'm a little bit mystified as to this discussion of Address Book > "categories". Apple's Address Book.app doesn't have categories. > Would this > be synching Palm categories to Address Book.app's Groups? (Which > would be > sensible.) > Yes, that is what it does. Now to clean out the default Palm groups, and finally set up groups in Address Book!!! Great upgrade guys!! Mike From aller at umich.edu Wed Nov 2 11:42:10 2005 From: aller at umich.edu (Roger A. Ruedisueli) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:42:22 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Folder Sync Message Message-ID: <39004D4E-4C68-4AF3-B826-59437587D6AE@umich.edu> I've been experimenting with the Folder Sync Conduit in version 5. I tried to configure it to sync with a directory on my iDisk, when I received an ominous message: "Synchronizing the folder you have selected /Volumes/iDisk/Documents/sync could lead to major problems. Are you sure you want to use this folder?" What "major problems" might I experience? Roger From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 11:57:50 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 11:57:59 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Folder Sync Message In-Reply-To: <39004D4E-4C68-4AF3-B826-59437587D6AE@umich.edu> References: <39004D4E-4C68-4AF3-B826-59437587D6AE@umich.edu> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Roger A. Ruedisueli wrote: > I've been experimenting with the Folder Sync Conduit in version 5. > I tried to configure it to sync with a directory on my iDisk, when > I received an ominous message: "Synchronizing the folder you have > selected /Volumes/iDisk/Documents/sync could lead to major > problems. Are you sure you want to use this folder?" > > What "major problems" might I experience? > We're trying to alert you to the fact that you might be syncing a lot of stuff. Basically any folder outside of your home directory will generate this message. We'll correct it for the next version. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From nepstein at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 12:10:35 2005 From: nepstein at gmail.com (Neil Epstein) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:10:39 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Method to transfer computers Message-ID: Hey, I wanted to move my Treo setup from my Powerbook to my Mac Mini. The powerbooks been running MS4. The Mini has nothing, but I was gonna upgrade to 5. Is this method alright, and is there anything I should be cautious of when going from one setup to another? Thanks, Neil From lists at mostrom.pp.se Wed Nov 2 12:39:23 2005 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?UTF-8?Q?Mostr=C3=B6m?=) Date: Wed Nov 2 12:39:32 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Confused, I'm using Now Contact/Up-To-Date and when I look at the conduit list at mark space site it says that I should be using the 5.x versions of the conduits. But as far as I know the latest versions of the conduits are 4.5.x Are you refering to the application version number of the conduit version number (there have been several references to new conduits by Now so I'm wondering if I've missed something) -- Jan Erik Mostr?m, www.mostrom.pp.se From brian_hall at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 13:38:06 2005 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Wed Nov 2 13:38:15 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Supported conduits list, 4.x and 5.x columns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 9:39 PM +0100 11/2/05, Jan Erik =?UTF-8?Q?Mostr=C3=B6m?= wrote: >Confused, I'm using Now Contact/Up-To-Date and when I look at the conduit >list at mark space site it says that I should be using the 5.x versions of >the conduits. > >But as far as I know the latest versions of the conduits are 4.5.x > >Are you refering to the application version number of the conduit version >number (there have been several references to new conduits by Now so I'm >wondering if I've missed something) The columns for 4.x and 5.x refer to the Missing Sync version number, not the conduit version number (or the other common assumption, Palm OS version). With 5.x we have a number of new conduits that are for version 5.x of Missing Sync only. We'll see if we can make that more clear. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 From lists at mostrom.pp.se Wed Nov 2 14:16:43 2005 From: lists at mostrom.pp.se (Jan Erik =?UTF-8?Q?Mostr=C3=B6m?=) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:17:03 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Supported conduits list, 4.x and 5.x columns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian Hall 2005-11-02 22:38: > The columns for 4.x and 5.x refer to the Missing Sync version number, not > the conduit version number (or the other common assumption, Palm OS > version). With 5.x we have a number of new conduits that are for version > 5.x of Missing Sync only. I was referring to the comments column: "Conduit version 5.0.2 or higher required for Tiger" jem -- Jan Erik Mostr?m, www.mostrom.pp.se From gerber at inik.net Wed Nov 2 14:33:22 2005 From: gerber at inik.net (Nik) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:33:21 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Howto: migrate a Treo 650 from Windows to Missing Sync 5... In-Reply-To: <14FEE62E-8D51-4205-AF13-1C787F587290@detayls.com> References: <14FEE62E-8D51-4205-AF13-1C787F587290@detayls.com> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:00 AM, David Taylor wrote: > Currently I am syncing a Verizon Treo 650 with Palm Desktop/Hotsync > on my work laptop, which runs Windows XP SP2. I would like to > transfer the sync to Missing Sync 5.0 on my G5 tower running Tiger > (10.4). > > My impulse is simply to install Missing Sync on the G5 and then > hook up my Treo and press the sync button. > > Do you think that it is that simple? Do you have any advice before > attempting this? I've done this two step a few hundred times, moving my preferred syncing from Mac to PC to Mac to Mac... Here's the steps: 1) Sync your Treo one last time on your PC, just to make sure everything's up to date. 2) Decide what PIM apps you want to use on your Mac. Set up appropriate conduits for them. Same for any other tools (Splash whatever -- I use Web COnfidential instead of SplashWallet, but I think SW has a Mac version) which sync with your device. 3) Back up your Treo to a memory card, or use the Backup conduit or whatever else to make sure you have all your stuff and can RECOVER. The goal of this is to be able to get your Treo back to functioning if anything goes wrong. 4) Now decide whether you want your Treo to overwrite your Mac or your Mac to overwrite your Treo. 5) If the latter, import all your Outlook/PC stuff into your Mac. If the former, skip to step 6. 6) Back up your PIM documents on the Mac. 7) Set all your conduits to Mac overwrites Treo or vise versa, as appropriate. 8) Sync. 9) Verify everything's working. If not, restore backups and start over. Good luck! --Nik ---- Get your biz on at the Vicarious MBA! From aller at umich.edu Wed Nov 2 14:34:45 2005 From: aller at umich.edu (Roger A. Ruedisueli) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:34:49 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] More Version 5 Questions Message-ID: <8BAFB347-D07B-42EC-A351-67831DC2CC25@umich.edu> I've noticed that Missing Sync.prc gets installed every time I sync. Is this by design? The iPhoto conduit appears to copy pictures to my LifeDrive twice. They appear on the drive in Drive Mode, and FileZ also shows them in ROM. In the Photos & Videos application, I see each of them twice. I see Picture 1, Picture 1(1), Picture 2, Picture 2(1), etc. Are these known issues, or should I open tickets on them? Roger From aller at umich.edu Wed Nov 2 14:41:31 2005 From: aller at umich.edu (Roger A. Ruedisueli) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:41:35 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: More Version 5 Questions In-Reply-To: <8BAFB347-D07B-42EC-A351-67831DC2CC25@umich.edu> References: <8BAFB347-D07B-42EC-A351-67831DC2CC25@umich.edu> Message-ID: <352B8A35-FAF6-494A-8E1F-6A0713F9E0EB@umich.edu> Sorry. I meant to say that FileZ finds them in RAM not ROM... Roger On Nov 2, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Roger A. Ruedisueli wrote: > I've noticed that Missing Sync.prc gets installed every time I > sync. Is this by design? > > The iPhoto conduit appears to copy pictures to my LifeDrive twice. > They appear on the drive in Drive Mode, and FileZ also shows them > in ROM. In the Photos & Videos application, I see each of them > twice. I see Picture 1, Picture 1(1), Picture 2, Picture 2(1), etc. > > Are these known issues, or should I open tickets on them? > > Roger From walton at telus.net Wed Nov 2 14:36:31 2005 From: walton at telus.net (Lorne Walton) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:47:10 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS 5 In-Reply-To: References: <200511021655.jA2GsOn6022031@sparrow.markspace.com> <1B2746C8-8DF8-429A-87DD-8DED08DE9C2E@biggerhammer.org> Message-ID: >See the link that Scott suggested. Dataviz has a fix, but not everybody >knows about it. Dataviz may think they have a fix, but it didn't work for everybody. -- "Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think." [Niels Bohr] Lorne Walton, Maple Ridge, BC, Canada From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 14:57:13 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 14:57:22 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] More Version 5 Questions In-Reply-To: <8BAFB347-D07B-42EC-A351-67831DC2CC25@umich.edu> References: <8BAFB347-D07B-42EC-A351-67831DC2CC25@umich.edu> Message-ID: <76C32996-5E3B-4E38-B5F2-5AEEF057216E@markspace.com> On Nov 2, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Roger A. Ruedisueli wrote: > I've noticed that Missing Sync.prc gets installed every time I > sync. Is this by design? > If you delete it, it will get installed back on the device. However, due to a wrong version of the prc, it will get installed each time until we release an update. To avoid this, open up the application package, in resources and remove Missing Sync.prc. > The iPhoto conduit appears to copy pictures to my LifeDrive twice. > They appear on the drive in Drive Mode, and FileZ also shows them > in ROM. In the Photos & Videos application, I see each of them > twice. I see Picture 1, Picture 1(1), Picture 2, Picture 2(1), etc. > > Are these known issues, or should I open tickets on them? > The second issue is not known. When opening a ticket, you'll need to provide exact steps (including a screenshot of your preferences for the conduit) and a log so that it can be tracked down. It would be helpful if you turned on the debug log which is done by holding down the option key when pulling down the Missing Sync menu and choosing Debug options. Turn on both of those logging options and include the file ~/Library/Logs/MissingSyncLog.txt to your ticket. Make sure you turn OFF logging after doing this as your sync will be slowed down significantly when it is on. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From oshea at mac.com Wed Nov 2 15:34:27 2005 From: oshea at mac.com (Kevin O'Shea) Date: Wed Nov 2 15:34:32 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Initial thoughts/questions on Missing Sync 5.0 Message-ID: I just joined the list, and can't read posts from earlier today, so apologies if there's any repetition in here. First of all, fan-friggin-tastic update! I have been so disappointed in the Apple iSync conduit for so long, I'm giddy at not having to put up with it any more. That said, I've hit a few small issues, and a few of the new conduits have really left me wishing they did just a touch more: - All my event alarms are getting set to '0 minutes before', ignoring their settings in iCal (usually 15 minutes). Anyone else seeing this? - I subscribe to a read-only ics calendar, which causes duplicate events to be created on the Palm with every sync, unless I change the conduit setting to 'Desktop overwrites handheld'. This may have something to do with this particular subscribed calendar, as I know it's published by something other than iCal. - The Photo conduit lets you scale images to be no larger than 'width x height'. While this is a useful setting (I suppose), what would be far more useful to me would be something that let me set a specific value for the smaller of my two dimensions. I want all my photos to have 320 as the smaller of the two dimensions (and the other dimension being as large as needed) so that all the pictures fill the screen. - The Photo conduit does't actually sync its contents. It just dumps all the combined content from the albums into a single folder on the Palm. While I recognize that a single photo could live in more than one album (making true 'syncing' difficult), I'd really prefer something closer to a one-way sync, so I could keep things organized (on the Mac), and items I pulled out of the album (on the Mac) would get deleted on the Palm. - Likewise, the iTunes conduit files all the audio in a single folder, with no organization. - I have an (old?) Media conduit listed in my conduit list, which I've turned off. Wondering where this came from. Thoughts? Similar experiences? Suggestions? Kevin From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 16:55:52 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 16:56:01 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Initial thoughts/questions on Missing Sync 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Kevin O'Shea wrote: > I just joined the list, and can't read posts from earlier today, so > apologies if there's any repetition in here. > > First of all, fan-friggin-tastic update! I have been so > disappointed in the Apple iSync conduit for so long, I'm giddy at > not having to put up with it any more. That said, I've hit a few > small issues, and a few of the new conduits have really left me > wishing they did just a touch more: > > - All my event alarms are getting set to '0 minutes before', > ignoring their settings in iCal (usually 15 minutes). Anyone else > seeing this? > We discovered this today and will be working on a fix for the next release. > - I have an (old?) Media conduit listed in my conduit list, which > I've turned off. Wondering where this came from. > This came from an install of Palm Desktop. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From cooper at coopersco.com Wed Nov 2 17:02:34 2005 From: cooper at coopersco.com (Cooper Marcus) Date: Wed Nov 2 17:02:46 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS5 with Treo 600 takes 4-9 minutes?! Message-ID: <280D77F3-EF3E-4513-AE62-57E39473E3D6@coopersco.com> I'm a new owner of Missing Sync 5 for Palm OS, which I'm using with my Treo 600 on a 1.5ghz PowerBook running OSX 10.4.2. I'm snycing with iCal and Address Book (all software is latest versions) over USB. My first few syncs took a very long time, which didn't surprise me, but now my test syncs are still taking far longer than the HotSync application that MS5 replaced. If I sync, then sync again without changing anything on the Treo or on the Mac, my sync time is at least 4 minutes, and sometimes up to 9 minutes! This is with only the following conduits turned on: Backup (backup) Install (install) Mark/Space Contacts (synchronize) Mark/Space Events (synchronize) Mark/Space Tasks (synchronize) Is 4-9 minutes a typical time for syncing? Even if nothing on the handheld or the Mac has changed? This seems really slow! I tried turning off Backup, but that saved less than a minute generally. Here is a log of a typical sync: Sync starting at 11/2/05 3:35 PM (15:35:50) on USB (5.0.1) Missing Sync.prc installed OK Install OK Mark/Space Contacts OK Mark/Space Events OK Mark/Space Tasks OK Install Backed up AddressDB Backed up DatebookDB Backed up ToDoDB Backed up Missing Sync Backed up Email_libr_HsMp_BF5ECF89 Backed up Email_libr_HsMp_BEA2AA7C Backed up Email_libr_HsMp_BE8446F1 Backed up psysLaunchDB Backed up Saved Preferences OK Backup Sync completed successfully at 11/2/05 3:39 PM (15:39:47) From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 17:17:23 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 17:17:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS5 with Treo 600 takes 4-9 minutes?! In-Reply-To: <280D77F3-EF3E-4513-AE62-57E39473E3D6@coopersco.com> References: <280D77F3-EF3E-4513-AE62-57E39473E3D6@coopersco.com> Message-ID: <394B52DE-1873-4685-B3BE-8BF26A6BA0FE@markspace.com> On Nov 2, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Cooper Marcus wrote: > I'm a new owner of Missing Sync 5 for Palm OS, which I'm using with > my Treo 600 on a 1.5ghz PowerBook running OSX 10.4.2. I'm snycing > with iCal and Address Book (all software is latest versions) over USB. > > My first few syncs took a very long time, which didn't surprise me, > but now my test syncs are still taking far longer than the HotSync > application that MS5 replaced. > > If I sync, then sync again without changing anything on the Treo or > on the Mac, my sync time is at least 4 minutes, and sometimes up to > 9 minutes! This is with only the following conduits turned on: > > Backup (backup) > Install (install) > Mark/Space Contacts (synchronize) > Mark/Space Events (synchronize) > Mark/Space Tasks (synchronize) > > Is 4-9 minutes a typical time for syncing? Even if nothing on the > handheld or the Mac has changed? This seems really slow! > It really depends on how much data you have in Contacts, Events, and Tasks. If you have thousands of entries (especially in Events and Tasks), it could take a long time. If you can, clean out iCal (there is an option to delete old events/tasks). How many contacts, events, and tasks do you have? Sync Services takes a long time to go through changes. If you which computers, it will take even longer as it has to do a slow sync and compare each record. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From missing at biggerhammer.org Wed Nov 2 17:56:36 2005 From: missing at biggerhammer.org (missing@biggerhammer.org) Date: Wed Nov 2 17:56:47 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS MemoPad broken even after upgrade to MS 5 In-Reply-To: <200511030105.jA315Xrq002402@sparrow.markspace.com> References: <200511030105.jA315Xrq002402@sparrow.markspace.com> Message-ID: <1F8479B1-AAE6-4ECA-AB2B-7CDDF0E24D60@biggerhammer.org> Please help me with this. The other night I had a sync that stopped midway. It was in the middle of syncing MS MemoPad. Now MemoPad shows no memos in the Mac application, but all my memos are in Memo Pad on my Tungsten C. I can re-sync until the cows come home but nothing happens. Memos on the Palm stay on the Palm. I can't even add new memos to MS MemoPad on my Mac. I have tried selecting Handheld overwrites Mac. That doesn't work. I didn't want to spend hours figuring it out. So I upgraded to MS 5. Didn't help I am still having the same problem. Any ideas? What is the easiest way to reinstall the MS MemoPad app? Thanks From sgruby at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 17:58:55 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Wed Nov 2 17:59:04 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS MemoPad broken even after upgrade to MS 5 In-Reply-To: <1F8479B1-AAE6-4ECA-AB2B-7CDDF0E24D60@biggerhammer.org> References: <200511030105.jA315Xrq002402@sparrow.markspace.com> <1F8479B1-AAE6-4ECA-AB2B-7CDDF0E24D60@biggerhammer.org> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 5:56 PM, missing@biggerhammer.org wrote: > Please help me with this. > > The other night I had a sync that stopped midway. It was in the > middle of syncing MS MemoPad. Now MemoPad shows no memos in the Mac > application, but all my memos are in Memo Pad on my Tungsten C. > > I can re-sync until the cows come home but nothing happens. Memos > on the Palm stay on the Palm. I can't even add new memos to MS > MemoPad on my Mac. I have tried selecting Handheld overwrites Mac. > That doesn't work. > Remove the file ~/Documents/Palm/Users/handheldname/MemoPad.memopad and then do handheld overwrites desktop. You have a corrupted memopad file. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From missing at biggerhammer.org Wed Nov 2 18:03:59 2005 From: missing at biggerhammer.org (missing@biggerhammer.org) Date: Wed Nov 2 18:04:09 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] broken MemoPad file Message-ID: <0BF9603D-B256-43A3-ABAC-26CC9844AF4E@biggerhammer.org> Scott, Thanks for the instant reply. That did the trick. From Patricia at PatriciaWarwick.com Wed Nov 2 18:15:21 2005 From: Patricia at PatriciaWarwick.com (Patricia Warwick) Date: Wed Nov 2 18:15:26 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Selecting iCal Calendars for synchronizing in MS 5 Message-ID: <09F84BE6-7DEA-4AF7-A236-A069A13273CC@PatriciaWarwick.com> I was convinced by the discussions in this group to get the upgrade to MS 5. So far I like it although my initial sync seems incredibly slow. I hope that will improve once everything has been synced. But I have a question about specifying which Calendars to sync with Palm OS. I had set up a calendar in iCal specifically not to be synced. But my initial sync with MS 5 showed that these entries were synced incorrectly. Was there some option in setup that I missed? From dulkci902 at sneakemail.com Wed Nov 2 18:20:45 2005 From: dulkci902 at sneakemail.com (Richard) Date: Wed Nov 2 18:20:56 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <12103-01158@sneakemail.com> Hi, MS 5.0 sounds great. I'm uncertain though if there is any benefit to upgrading as a Sony Clie NX-60 user. I use MS primarily because without it I cannot sync at all. If there is a feature here that my Clie would take advantage of, I'll be more inclined to upgrade. Thanks for whatever you can tell me. Dick Rettke on 05/11/1 21:24, Eric Ullman wrote: > Hello, > > Mark/Space has just released version 5.0 of The Missing Sync for Palm OS! > > So what's new in 5.0? Here's a brief list of what we think are the most > exciting features in this release. > > BETTER SYNCING WITH ADDRESS BOOK AND ICAL IN MAC OS X 10.4 TIGER > No longer will you be frustrated by Apple's iSync Conduit. If you're running > Tiger, The Missing Sync for Palm OS v5.0 replaces the iSync Palm Conduit > with Mark/Space Contacts, Events and Tasks. Calendar categories, multiple > postal addresses, birthday, IM address and other fields are now > synchronized. > > CONTACT PHOTO SYNCHRONIZATION > For the first time, support is provided to sync the picture field for each > contact entry in Tiger's Address Book. For example, if you take a picture > with your Treo and assign it to a contact, that photo will appear in Address > Book after your next sync. Likewise, photos assigned to contacts in Address > Book will be synchronized to devices that support contact record photos. > > NEW FOLDER SYNC CONDUIT > We've created a conduit that allows you to keep one or more folders on your > Mac in sync with your Palm OS device. Sync files in one or both directions. > > IPHOTO ALBUM AND ITUNES PLAYLIST SYNCING > Version 5.0 adds two new conduits for syncing with iPhoto and iTunes. Pick > one or more iPhoto albums and/or iTunes playlists and have them synced to > your Palm OS handheld or smartphone. Supports random-selection smart > playlists and photo resizing for optimal handheld viewing. > > With all this and more, we hope that you will find the new 5.0 version of > The Missing Sync a fabulous product. > > Upgrades are available for $24.95 from any previous Missing Sync product, or > for free if you purchased The Missing Sync for Palm OS v4.0 on or after > October 1, 2005. To upgrade, or to learn about the other new features in > this release, see: <>. > > Best regards, > Eric From mailinglists at detayls.com Wed Nov 2 19:10:46 2005 From: mailinglists at detayls.com (David Taylor) Date: Wed Nov 2 19:10:58 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Howto: migrate a Treo 650 from Windows to Missing Sync 5... In-Reply-To: References: <14FEE62E-8D51-4205-AF13-1C787F587290@detayls.com> Message-ID: <8BB73FC9-5EE4-4A8A-B296-543B8646D3C4@detayls.com> Thanks, Nik. These instructions look great. Could you expand on step 3? Is there a clean method to backup my Treo to a Memory Card? I have a 64 mb card with loads of free space and the Treo is 32 mb, so I should be able to do a backup. I don't see any built-in method. Is there a recommended third-party product? David -- David W. Taylor, Detayls www.detayls.com On Nov 2, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Nik wrote: > On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:00 AM, David Taylor wrote: > > >> Currently I am syncing a Verizon Treo 650 with Palm Desktop/ >> Hotsync on my work laptop, which runs Windows XP SP2. I would >> like to transfer the sync to Missing Sync 5.0 on my G5 tower >> running Tiger (10.4). >> >> My impulse is simply to install Missing Sync on the G5 and then >> hook up my Treo and press the sync button. >> >> Do you think that it is that simple? Do you have any advice >> before attempting this? >> > > I've done this two step a few hundred times, moving my preferred > syncing from Mac to PC to Mac to Mac... Here's the steps: > > 1) Sync your Treo one last time on your PC, just to make sure > everything's up to date. > > 2) Decide what PIM apps you want to use on your Mac. Set up > appropriate conduits for them. Same for any other tools (Splash > whatever -- I use Web COnfidential instead of SplashWallet, but I > think SW has a Mac version) which sync with your device. > > 3) Back up your Treo to a memory card, or use the Backup conduit or > whatever else to make sure you have all your stuff and can RECOVER. > The goal of this is to be able to get your Treo back to functioning > if anything goes wrong. > > 4) Now decide whether you want your Treo to overwrite your Mac or > your Mac to overwrite your Treo. > > 5) If the latter, import all your Outlook/PC stuff into your Mac. > If the former, skip to step 6. > > 6) Back up your PIM documents on the Mac. > > 7) Set all your conduits to Mac overwrites Treo or vise versa, as > appropriate. > > 8) Sync. > > 9) Verify everything's working. If not, restore backups and start > over. > > Good luck! > > --Nik > > > > ---- > Get your biz on at the Vicarious MBA! > > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From walter at natural-innovations.com Wed Nov 2 20:00:58 2005 From: walter at natural-innovations.com (Walter Ian Kaye) Date: Wed Nov 2 20:01:16 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: <12103-01158@sneakemail.com> References: <12103-01158@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: At 08:20p -0600 11/02/2005, Richard didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: >Hi, > >MS 5.0 sounds great. I'm uncertain though if there is any benefit to >upgrading as a Sony Clie NX-60 user. I use MS primarily because without it I >cannot sync at all. If there is a feature here that my Clie would take >advantage of, I'll be more inclined to upgrade. > >Thanks for whatever you can tell me. > >Dick Rettke I have the same question (other than that mine is a t615c Clie, hehe). I don't use iCal or AddressBook or iPhoto, so the advertised features of 5.0 seem irrelevant to my needs. Is there something under the hood that would make a difference, or am I good with 4.0 still (which works fine, btw)? thanks, -Walter From Patricia at PatriciaWarwick.com Wed Nov 2 20:34:39 2005 From: Patricia at PatriciaWarwick.com (Patricia Warwick) Date: Wed Nov 2 20:34:49 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problem with MS 5 and iCal Message-ID: <9CF762C3-7EFE-424A-BA2C-11F759F43E4D@PatriciaWarwick.com> After attempting to synchronize my Palm and iCal I now have an empty iCal calendar. I still have To Dos but no Events. The only thing that I can think could be related is that I attempted to cancel the sync earlier because it was taking so long. MS would not cancel so eventually I force quit it. But still, I cannot see why this would empty iCal. It appears that the Events sync was successful. I did specify Selected Calendars (I figured out the answer to my earlier question.) In addition, I see the following in my log: NSInvalidArgumentException [ISDRecordIdMapper replaceLocalId:withLocalId:]: you can't change the local id com.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_Patricia Warwick_Ccom.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_Patricia Warwick_15992343_email_addresses_4_tempID -> com.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_Patricia Warwick_Ccom.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_Patricia Warwick_15992343_email_addresses_4: both the new and old ids are already mapped to global ids What am I doing wrong? From Patricia at PatriciaWarwick.com Wed Nov 2 20:43:25 2005 From: Patricia at PatriciaWarwick.com (Patricia Warwick) Date: Wed Nov 2 20:43:29 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problem with MS 5 and iCal In-Reply-To: <9CF762C3-7EFE-424A-BA2C-11F759F43E4D@PatriciaWarwick.com> References: <9CF762C3-7EFE-424A-BA2C-11F759F43E4D@PatriciaWarwick.com> Message-ID: I tried another sync and got the following messages in the log: NSRangeException *** -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:]: index (12) beyond bounds (12) NSRangeException *** -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:]: index (12) beyond bounds (12) NSRangeException *** -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:]: index (12) beyond bounds (12) NSRangeException *** -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:]: index (12) beyond bounds (12) NSRangeException *** -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:]: index (12) beyond bounds (12) OK Mark/Space Events with 5 message(s) Fortunately the info is still in my Palm and I make daily backups of my calendar so I am not in too much trouble but I am a bit worried. On Nov 2, 2005, at 23:34 PM, Patricia Warwick wrote: > After attempting to synchronize my Palm and iCal I now have an > empty iCal calendar. I still have To Dos but no Events. The only > thing that I can think could be related is that I attempted to > cancel the sync earlier because it was taking so long. MS would not > cancel so eventually I force quit it. But still, I cannot see why > this would empty iCal. It appears that the Events sync was > successful. I did specify Selected Calendars (I figured out the > answer to my earlier question.) > > In addition, I see the following in my log: > > NSInvalidArgumentException [ISDRecordIdMapper > replaceLocalId:withLocalId:]: you can't change the local id > com.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_Patricia > Warwick_Ccom.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_Patricia > Warwick_15992343_email_addresses_4_tempID -> > com.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_Patricia > Warwick_Ccom.markspace.missingsync.palmos.contacts_Patricia > Warwick_15992343_email_addresses_4: both the new and old ids are > already mapped to global ids > > What am I doing wrong? > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From brian_hall at markspace.com Wed Nov 2 20:51:32 2005 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Wed Nov 2 20:52:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: References: <12103-01158@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: > >I have the same question (other than that mine is a t615c Clie, hehe). >I don't use iCal or AddressBook or iPhoto, so the advertised features >of 5.0 seem irrelevant to my needs. Is there something under the hood >that would make a difference, or am I good with 4.0 still (which >works fine, btw)? There is a list of all the new features at: http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_palmos_features.html Some of the other new conduits (aside from iPhoto and PIM sync), are a folder sync conduit (great for docs2go), iTunes conduit, setup assistants, connection based conduit profiles (ie, sync a smaller set over bluetooth, and a larger set over USB). There are also some nice user interface changes such as an improved status window, the ability to quickly access the "helper app" for each conduit (for example, the helper app for the tasks conduit is iCal, the helper app for AvantGo conduit takes you to my.avantgo.com, etc) and a toolbar in the main window. There also is no longer a need to switch between internet sharing and sync - it happens automatically. You'll need to decide if those changes are important enough for you. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 From brad at bradbishop.com Wed Nov 2 20:56:19 2005 From: brad at bradbishop.com (Brad Bishop) Date: Wed Nov 2 20:56:23 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Sync of 4500 contacts times out Message-ID: <693F27D8-4689-4401-BC35-D09E45858F56@bradbishop.com> I'm having trouble syncing with the new 5.0 software. I can sync the Contacts (more than 4500) if I uncheck every other conduit. I can sync every other conduit if I uncheck the contacts conduit. If I try to sync everything at once (all conduits checked) the Palm times out after a few minutes and says connection lost. Any ideas? From missing at biggerhammer.org Wed Nov 2 20:58:51 2005 From: missing at biggerhammer.org (missing@biggerhammer.org) Date: Wed Nov 2 20:58:59 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Duplicates - addresses from Palm Desktop and Events/Tasks from iCal Message-ID: <78104FC0-9384-4ADA-B959-B045C6BC0D8F@biggerhammer.org> Ok this has really got me. I just upgraded to MS 5 hoping that it would resolve this problem. I suspected iSync to the culprit. But I'm still having the problem now that iSync is not being used. I sync my Palm Desktop contacts to my Tungsten C via the Palm "Address Book" conduit. This is stored on one computer. I sync my iCal calendars to the same Tungsten C via the MS Events and MS Tasks conduits. This is on another computer. Every time I go back to sync addresses after syncing calendars. I get an error that any contact which has been edited (on the first computer) has been modified by both the handheld and the desktop. Except it has only been edited by the desktop. Any time I edit a contact then sync, after syncing to the second computer, I get a duplicate. The calendar side works great. The duplicate addresses are really frustrating. The duplicates are easy to distinguish because one of the duplicate records won't have the info for the fields the Tungsten doesn't support such as Division. Do either the events or tasks conduits do anything to the contact data on the palm to make the Palm conduit think they have been edited when they have not? Any help/ideas on this are greatly appreciated. Thanks From dmenoyo at mac.com Wed Nov 2 21:08:55 2005 From: dmenoyo at mac.com (Deirdre Menoyo) Date: Wed Nov 2 21:09:37 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: missing-sync-palmos-talk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <200511030438.jA34at2Z022316@sparrow.markspace.com> References: <200511030438.jA34at2Z022316@sparrow.markspace.com> Message-ID: <6D0EA4DB-B4DE-4E28-A8C7-B43796FFB560@mac.com> > Hello, I joined this list to figure out how to make my somewhat dated Sony Clie work with my Mac iBook G4. (I bought the correct missing sync.) Having monitored the list for some weeks, I realize it is a big hassle to sync PDAs with Macs. So I've reduced my ambition to just wanting to know what I should buy to have a PDA to work with my iBook, soup to nuts, new PDA, new software, whatever. I am computer challenged and don't know much about conduits, etc. I'm hoping there is a simple way to connect the dots. A list would help. I do have Tiger OS. Thank you. Deirdre in MA From walter at natural-innovations.com Wed Nov 2 23:12:20 2005 From: walter at natural-innovations.com (Walter Ian Kaye) Date: Wed Nov 2 23:12:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] iBook G4 and Clie In-Reply-To: <6D0EA4DB-B4DE-4E28-A8C7-B43796FFB560@mac.com> References: <200511030438.jA34at2Z022316@sparrow.markspace.com> <6D0EA4DB-B4DE-4E28-A8C7-B43796FFB560@mac.com> Message-ID: At 12:08a -0500 11/03/2005, Deirdre Menoyo didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: >I joined this list to figure out how to make my somewhat dated Sony >Clie work with my Mac iBook G4. (I bought the correct missing sync.) > >Having monitored the list for some weeks, I realize it is a big >hassle to sync PDAs with Macs. Not at all. I have a TiBook and a Clie (t615c), and it's really easy with MS. No hassles here! But then, I only back up to the Mac; I do all data entry on the Clie (aside from an occasional data file like a photograph). I don't use iCal or any of those silly iApps, so for me it is ridiculously simple. :) >So I've reduced my ambition to just wanting to know what I should >buy to have a PDA to work with my iBook, soup to nuts, new PDA, new >software, whatever. I am computer challenged and don't know much >about conduits, etc. I'm hoping there is a simple way to connect >the dots. A list would help. I do have Tiger OS. You might want to provide your own list of what you need to do, because it might not be as bare-bones as what I do. From jf.boquillard at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 01:18:56 2005 From: jf.boquillard at gmail.com (J-F Boquillard) Date: Thu Nov 3 01:18:58 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] MS5 and Contacts categories... what a mess Message-ID: <766d261e0511030118h77885acu@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a few complains about the new Contacts conduit introduced in Missing Sync 5.... After a bad first synchronization, I needed to make a complete overwrite of my contacts in order to get the new fields (birthday, etc..) synchronized. Then I discovered a behaviour that is only mentioned in an article (id 2563) of the knowledge base and not in the documentation: the categories on the palm are mapped to groups on the mac! This is a very bad choice. For me, a group is not a category... Let me explain why. First, I use my Address book as a central database which contains: - my contacts (which are only partially synchronized with the palm) - my email addresses (only name and email...) - my phone numbers (synchronized with my mobile) I also have a few groups: - a group of contacts to synchronize to the palm (and my iPod) - a group of contacts/telephone numbers to synchronize to the mobile - a number of email lists (about 10) Almost every contact is included in at least one group, but none of these groups as a meaning as a category of people. After the first synchronization with MS5's conduit, all my groups (plus one hidden group named "contacts with phone number" probably created when I checked the option "synchronize only contacts with phone numbers" for my mobile in iSync options) where send to the palm as categories... Worse, contacts where affected one of these groups as category... but, as stated by the KB article, there is no way to predict how they are affected!! This is a serious step backward when compared to Apple's iSync conduit which correctly synchronized palm's category... even if they where not displayed in the address book! One last thing, there is still no support for palm's personalized fields... Now I'll ask two questions to Markspace: 1. Is there a chance the behaviour of that conduit will change to match Apple's conduit behaviour or something like that? 2. If answer is no, is there a way to get back to Apple's iSync conduit for contacts? Regards, Jef From wadestrange at mac.com Thu Nov 3 04:57:13 2005 From: wadestrange at mac.com (wadestrange@mac.com) Date: Thu Nov 3 04:57:18 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] No dice with Verizon Treo 650 after updgrade to MS 5.0 Message-ID: <226222B9-E898-43A0-9197-9877F7C4A1DF@mac.com> Hey guys, this is my first post to the list so hopefully I'm doing it right. So I upgraded and I gotta say, I"m a little disappointed. I spent 4 hours last night trying to get this thing to sync once. So far I've learned that NONE of the new Tiger integrated features work for Address Book, iCal and Tasks for me. I'm running OS 10.4.3 and MS 5.0. I get the following message every time after the sync process times out (Treo gives up and stops sync and MS just hangs and requires a force quit). This is the message I get when just trying to sync the events conduit: Sync starting at 11/3/05 7:48 AM (07:48:47) on USB (5.0.1) Event conduit was unable to open the Event database on the handheld. Failed Mark/Space Events (0x4004) Sync completed successfully at 11/3/05 7:48 AM (07:48:47) What am I doing wrong here. Thanks so much for the help. Wade Strange Cell: 518.852.3540 IM: angeloftheoddnj Email: wadestrange@mac.com From dl77 at mac.com Thu Nov 3 06:01:05 2005 From: dl77 at mac.com (Dan Locke) Date: Thu Nov 3 06:01:12 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Birthday Message-ID: <9FE39002-A465-4262-B6F9-BAEF86C20B7E@mac.com> I'm currently using missing sync 5.0.1. How do I sync the address book "birthday" field to the palm? Thanks, Dan Locke From jf.boquillard at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 06:21:57 2005 From: jf.boquillard at gmail.com (J-F Boquillard) Date: Thu Nov 3 06:22:00 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Birthday In-Reply-To: <9FE39002-A465-4262-B6F9-BAEF86C20B7E@mac.com> References: <9FE39002-A465-4262-B6F9-BAEF86C20B7E@mac.com> Message-ID: <766d261e0511030621g1f0fb116q@mail.gmail.com> You may need to do a full synchronization with the "Macintosh replaces Palm" option. Jef. 2005/11/3, Dan Locke : > I'm currently using missing sync 5.0.1. How do I sync the address > book "birthday" field to the palm? > > > Thanks, > > Dan Locke > From gerber at inik.net Thu Nov 3 07:53:57 2005 From: gerber at inik.net (Nik) Date: Thu Nov 3 07:54:12 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Howto: migrate a Treo 650 from Windows to Missing Sync 5... In-Reply-To: <8BB73FC9-5EE4-4A8A-B296-543B8646D3C4@detayls.com> References: <14FEE62E-8D51-4205-AF13-1C787F587290@detayls.com> <8BB73FC9-5EE4-4A8A-B296-543B8646D3C4@detayls.com> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:10 PM, David Taylor wrote: > Could you expand on step 3? Is there a clean method to backup my > Treo to a Memory Card? I have a 64 mb card with loads of free > space and the Treo is 32 mb, so I should be able to do a backup. I'm not sure. My Clie came with a program called "backup" which makes an archive of everything on the memory stick. When I had a Handspring with a memory card, I used BackupBuddy to handle the backups. Looks like it's still available. For what it's worth, having a backup of your PDA on a memory card is a wonderful thing. If my battery dies and I lose information (not sure if that's still a problem with the Treo) or if a bad sync blows away my contacts, I can quickly recover, even on the road. So buying BackupBuddy may have value above and beyond this migration. --Nik From gerber at inik.net Thu Nov 3 08:09:51 2005 From: gerber at inik.net (Nik) Date: Thu Nov 3 08:10:01 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: missing-sync-palmos-talk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <6D0EA4DB-B4DE-4E28-A8C7-B43796FFB560@mac.com> References: <200511030438.jA34at2Z022316@sparrow.markspace.com> <6D0EA4DB-B4DE-4E28-A8C7-B43796FFB560@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:08 PM, Deirdre Menoyo wrote: > Having monitored the list for some weeks, I realize it is a big > hassle to sync PDAs with Macs. > > So I've reduced my ambition to just wanting to know what I should > buy to have a PDA to work with my iBook, soup to nuts, new PDA, new > software, whatever. I am computer challenged and don't know much > about conduits, etc. I'm hoping there is a simple way to connect > the dots. A list would help. I do have Tiger OS. Welcome aboard, Deirdre! You're in the right place to figure out the best way to set up your PDA to work with a Mac. Don't be too put off by the constant bug reports on this list. If you're sticking with pretty standard applications, you won't have nearly the trouble that some of us cause for ourselves. The things you're going to need are as follows: 1) A Mac (sounds like you've got that already) 2) A PDA: Find one that you like. Palms have BETTER support for the Mac than PocketPCs, but many "smartphones" are also pretty well supported. Assuming you want a Palm, there's a few different models to choose from. (I'm assuming you want to buy a new one -- you can always go on eBay and find used models which can be quite attractively priced.) If you're looking to mostly do data reading and won't do a lot of data entry, go for the $99 Palm Zire that's out there. If you want something more full featured, walk up the ladder until you find what you want. The biggest differences between models are networking (bluetooth, WiFi), whether it's a Treo (which has a built-in phone), and RAM/storage space (really only useful if you're watching movies, playing MP3s, or using it as a surrogate for a laptop). Also, an iPod can provide read-only access to all your contacts, calendars and to-dos. Many folks have decided that's good enough for them. 3) PIM (calendar, contact, to-dos, possibly memos) software on the Mac that you like. Best options are Palm Desktop (free), Apple's Address Book and iCal (also free), Microsoft Entourage (comes with Microsoft Office 2004), or Now Up-to-Date & Contact (not free). If you want quick and easy, I'd highly recommend Apple's software. It keeps you from needing a separate list for your email addresses and your PIM contacts, and they're easy to use and frequently updated. Still, you can get demos of all the software, so you can try 'em out and see what you think. 4) Synchronization software: If you're using a straight-up Palm (not a Sony CLIE or something like that), it works out of the box with the Mac, along with any of the PIM programs I mentioned above. They all provide conduits which are the glue between the software and the Palm. However, the syncing software is a bit of a bother and lacks some features that many people like. (For example, you cannot synchronize groups/categories between the Apple PIM programs and a Palm using Apple's free conduits.) This is where The Missing Sync comes in. It provides improved conduits for the Apple PIM programs, and also improves the reliability and functionality of the syncing process. I might also add that this list and Mark/Space provide FAR superior tech support than that provided by Palm directly. On the other hand, if you're using Palm Desktop, Entourage or Now Up- To-Date/Contact, you already will get pretty decent conduits. And either way, initial setup of the syncing process takes a little fiddling. Don't let that scare you off, once you get it working, it tends to be highly reliable. The down side is that The Missing Sync costs money. IMO, it's well worth it. If nothing else, if you're using the Apple PIM programs, get The Missing Sync. That's a no-brainer, from my point of view. If you aren't using Apple's software for PIM duties, then see how you like what comes with it maybe, or get the Missing Sync. Whatever seems wisest to you. 5) Install everything, set up your PIM apps, and sync. This is the fun part where you get to have everything magically WORK. Wheee! 6) Endless potential: There's lots of software out there for the Palm or that syncs with it from the Mac. Depending on your needs, you might be able to find some real time/work savers. Hope this helps. Good luck to you! --Nik From dmenoyo at mac.com Thu Nov 3 08:49:32 2005 From: dmenoyo at mac.com (Deirdre Menoyo) Date: Thu Nov 3 08:49:49 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: what I need -- list In-Reply-To: <200511031427.jA3EQD8H024181@sparrow.markspace.com> References: <200511031427.jA3EQD8H024181@sparrow.markspace.com> Message-ID: <92E57344-0E77-41A1-AF44-07878C3BFBB8@mac.com> >> >> > > Hello, > > I joined this list to figure out how to make my somewhat dated Sony > Clie work with my Mac iBook G4. (I bought the correct missing sync.) > > Having monitored the list for some weeks, I realize it is a big > hassle to sync PDAs with Macs. > > So I've reduced my ambition to just wanting to know what I should buy > to have a PDA to work with my iBook, soup to nuts, new PDA, new > software, whatever. I am computer challenged and don't know much > about conduits, etc. I'm hoping there is a simple way to connect the > dots. A list would help. I do have Tiger OS. > > Thank you. > > Deirdre in MA > > > >> I joined this list to figure out how to make my somewhat dated Sony >> Clie work with my Mac iBook G4. (I bought the correct missing sync.) >> >> Having monitored the list for some weeks, I realize it is a big >> hassle to sync PDAs with Macs. >> > > Not at all. I have a TiBook and a Clie (t615c), and it's really > easy with MS. > No hassles here! But then, I only back up to the Mac; I do all data > entry on the Clie (aside from an occasional data file like a > photograph). I don't use iCal or any of those silly iApps, so for me > it is ridiculously simple. :) > > >> So I've reduced my ambition to just wanting to know what I should >> buy to have a PDA to work with my iBook, soup to nuts, new PDA, new >> software, whatever. I am computer challenged and don't know much >> about conduits, etc. I'm hoping there is a simple way to connect >> the dots. A list would help. I do have Tiger OS. >> > > You might want to provide your own list of what you need to do, > because it might not be as bare-bones as what I do. > > > Hi Walt, I actually want to be able to go back and forth between my iBook and my PDA with contacts and calendar at least. I don't know where you put things on the mac if not in theos silly iApps. I would love to know what you do have in terms of software and where you put the data on your mac, I am entering everything on the mac and depending on it. eg. for contacts when I email. Maybe I am too computer-illiterate to learn from this list. Deirdre From walton at telus.net Thu Nov 3 09:09:43 2005 From: walton at telus.net (Lorne Walton) Date: Thu Nov 3 09:10:10 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: what I need -- list In-Reply-To: <92E57344-0E77-41A1-AF44-07878C3BFBB8@mac.com> References: <200511031427.jA3EQD8H024181@sparrow.markspace.com> <92E57344-0E77-41A1-AF44-07878C3BFBB8@mac.com> Message-ID: At 11:49 -0500 3/11/05, Deirdre Menoyo wrote: >Maybe I am too computer-illiterate to learn from this list. Deirdre, you have my empathy in that regard. I once thought that I was pretty computer savvy. Now it seems that I understand less than half of what I read. I wonder how many more there are, of people like you and me. E.g. that long list of new features of TMS 5.x on the web site... I didn't understand most of it, in terms of how it impacts me. Keep asking questions until you get the results that you need. You'll find that most people on lists like this are very patient and very generous with their help. But it's hard for them to know when they're not making themselves perfectly clear, unless you tell them so. That was a pretty impressive posting by Nik, wasn't it? -- "Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think." [Niels Bohr] Lorne Walton, Maple Ridge, BC, Canada From Thomas.Wright at cibc.com Thu Nov 3 11:32:17 2005 From: Thomas.Wright at cibc.com (Wright, Thomas) Date: Thu Nov 3 11:32:54 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] problem: Addresses 'disappearing' from Address Book.app Message-ID: <5674BE195DF99E43BEE8E52CD9BB5B6399F4EF@CBSCC-X3-MBVS03.ad.cibc.com> Hi all I am syncing thus: pb17 <-> palm Tungsten T2 <-> Windows 2000 Outlook I had no problem with this set-up using 4.0.6, but I made the classic mistake of pre-mature upgrading, I think. I'm getting weird interactions with 5.0. Specifically, the addresses are disappearing from some of my entries in Address Book. The addresses still show on the Palm, and on the windows machine, however. I'm perplexed -- has anyone else seen this problem? Cheers, T. From bgfreeman at mac.com Thu Nov 3 12:08:08 2005 From: bgfreeman at mac.com (Barry Freeman) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:08:16 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Just to offset.... Message-ID: All the negative stufff. I just upgraded to MS 5 and my Tungsten T5 still syncs perfectly. I use Agendus Pro on my Palm, and it inserts some wierdness in the tasks and stuff, but that just appears as a note in iCal. All working good here... BAzz From ben.steeves at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 12:36:29 2005 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Thu Nov 3 12:36:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Just to offset.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ebb24d10511031236w5022a65dj6a52af9a56b6968f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/3/05, Barry Freeman wrote: > > All the negative stufff. > > I just upgraded to MS 5 and my Tungsten T5 still syncs perfectly. > > I use Agendus Pro on my Palm, and it inserts some wierdness in the tasks > and stuff, but that just appears as a note in iCal. > > All working good here... Yes, I'd like to give a hearty "Well Done!" to the Missing Sync team too. The ability to FINALLY use categories on both contacts and events and have them sync to AddressBook and iCal successfuly is huge for me. Coupled with Agendus, this is the most seamless Palm/Desktop integration I've had since leaving Palm Desktop behind in my Windows days (in 2000). PS: Barry, the "weirdness" Agendus leaves behind in the notes is for icons and other Agendus-only enhancements. Not a biggie, but disasterous to lose if your desktop doesn't handle it correctly (thankfully Missing Sync does!). -- Ben Steeves _ bcs@metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves@gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From bgfreeman at mac.com Thu Nov 3 13:40:46 2005 From: bgfreeman at mac.com (Barry Freeman) Date: Thu Nov 3 13:40:54 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Just to offset.... In-Reply-To: <7ebb24d10511031236w5022a65dj6a52af9a56b6968f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >PS: Barry, the "weirdness" Agendus leaves behind in the notes is for icons >and other Agendus-only enhancements. Not a biggie, but disasterous to lose >if your desktop doesn't handle it correctly (thankfully Missing Sync does!). Yep, It has the rollover and matrix stuff. No problem once Irealised what it was. BAzz From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Nov 3 14:21:22 2005 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:21:52 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: BackupBuddy In-Reply-To: References: <14FEE62E-8D51-4205-AF13-1C787F587290@detayls.com> <8BB73FC9-5EE4-4A8A-B296-543B8646D3C4@detayls.com> Message-ID: >When I had a Handspring with a memory card, I used BackupBuddy to >handle the backups. Looks like it's still available. There are a number of backup programs, BackupBuddy has been around a while, and the developer has a Mac. BackupBuddy VFS is fine if you just want to back up to card. There is also a larger version which includes a Mac conduit. You can find BackupBuddy in the new "shop" pane of Missing Sync 5. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 654 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030-4360 From cooper at coopersco.com Thu Nov 3 14:33:01 2005 From: cooper at coopersco.com (Cooper Marcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:33:17 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] problem: Addresses 'disappearing' from Address Book.app In-Reply-To: <5674BE195DF99E43BEE8E52CD9BB5B6399F4EF@CBSCC-X3-MBVS03.ad.cibc.com> References: <5674BE195DF99E43BEE8E52CD9BB5B6399F4EF@CBSCC-X3-MBVS03.ad.cibc.com> Message-ID: Yep, same problem here - I have some address that are on the Treo, but never make it to Address Book (Treo 600, OS X 10.4.2 on PB15, all latest software versions). Even if I edit the address on the Treo, then Sync, the address STILL does not get synced to the Mac - this is a MAJOR bug in my opinion, but I've not been able to isolate it yet, so I don't know how to report it... On Nov 3, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Wright, Thomas wrote: > Hi all > > I am syncing thus: pb17 <-> palm Tungsten T2 <-> Windows 2000 Outlook > > I had no problem with this set-up using 4.0.6, but I made the classic > mistake of pre-mature upgrading, I think. > > I'm getting weird interactions with 5.0. Specifically, the > addresses are > disappearing from some of my entries in Address Book. The > addresses still > show on the Palm, and on the windows machine, however. I'm > perplexed -- has > anyone else seen this problem? > > Cheers, > > T. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > > > From jtchambliss at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 14:49:38 2005 From: jtchambliss at gmail.com (Jeff Chambliss) Date: Thu Nov 3 14:49:45 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] No iCal sync Message-ID: My events in iCal are not transferring to my Palm T3. The calendar on my palm is now empty. I get the following log: Sync starting at 11/3/05 3:46 PM (15:46:58) on USB (5.0.1) OK Mark/Space Contacts NSInvalidArgumentException *** -[NSCFDictionary setObject:forKey:]: attempt to insert nil value OK Mark/Space Events with 1 message(s) OK Mark/Space MemoPad OK Mark/Space Tasks Sync completed successfully at 11/3/05 3:47 PM (15:47:15) Any ideas From trevor at vocaro.com Thu Nov 3 16:04:44 2005 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:04:55 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Duplicates - addresses from Palm Desktop and Events/Tasks from iCal In-Reply-To: <78104FC0-9384-4ADA-B959-B045C6BC0D8F@biggerhammer.org> References: <78104FC0-9384-4ADA-B959-B045C6BC0D8F@biggerhammer.org> Message-ID: <0CDD4FB9-FF49-4613-A8AC-4201FC976CE8@vocaro.com> On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:58 PM, missing@biggerhammer.org wrote: > I just upgraded to MS 5 hoping that it would resolve this problem. > I suspected iSync to the culprit. But I'm still having the problem > now that iSync is not being used. > > I sync my Palm Desktop contacts to my Tungsten C via the Palm > "Address Book" conduit. This is stored on one computer. > > I sync my iCal calendars to the same Tungsten C via the MS Events > and MS Tasks conduits. This is on another computer. > > Every time I go back to sync addresses after syncing calendars. I > get an error that any contact which has been edited (on the first > computer) has been modified by both the handheld and the desktop. > Except it has only been edited by the desktop. Any time I edit a > contact then sync, after syncing to the second computer, I get a > duplicate. > > The calendar side works great. The duplicate addresses are really > frustrating. I don't know about contacts, but I remember having lots of problems with duplicate calendar events with the Palm Desktop (before switching to the Missing Sync). Could you put the Missing Sync on both computers, keeping the Palm Desktop out of the loop? I'm guessing that would solve the problem. Trevor From cooper at coopersco.com Thu Nov 3 16:08:04 2005 From: cooper at coopersco.com (Cooper Marcus) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:08:14 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] URL/IM/Bday sync doesn't work In-Reply-To: <394B52DE-1873-4685-B3BE-8BF26A6BA0FE@markspace.com> References: <280D77F3-EF3E-4513-AE62-57E39473E3D6@coopersco.com> <394B52DE-1873-4685-B3BE-8BF26A6BA0FE@markspace.com> Message-ID: <9A146E25-CD7B-4ED2-ADC0-E5426ACA6BCA@coopersco.com> Using MS5 on OSX 1.4.2 with latest versions of Address Book: 1. Create new Address Book entry with name, URL, birthday, and IM 2. Sync my Treo 600 3. Look up the new Address Book entry on my Treo - the new name is there, but no other information has synced Any ideas what is going on here? From trevor at vocaro.com Thu Nov 3 16:13:31 2005 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:13:35 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Problem with MS 5 and iCal In-Reply-To: References: <9CF762C3-7EFE-424A-BA2C-11F759F43E4D@PatriciaWarwick.com> Message-ID: <2C0DE364-2F0A-4929-B009-22761DE93A56@vocaro.com> On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:43 PM, Patricia Warwick wrote: > I tried another sync and got the following messages in the log: > > NSRangeException *** -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:]: index (12) beyond > bounds (12) I'm getting a similar problem every time I sync. One error that I see is similar to yours: NSRangeException *** -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:]: index (5) beyond bounds (1) There are many more errors in the log, but it appears that the syncing is successful nonetheless. Trevor From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Nov 3 16:16:52 2005 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:16:58 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] No iCal sync In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try to 'Reset Sync History' using the iSync preferences option. 1) Launch isync 2) Choose Preferences from the iSync menu 3) Click the 'Reset Sync History' button and follow the instructions. This will likely launch iCal. The iSync display will show the progress. 4) When iSync is done with the reset, you are ready to sync again. 5) Because your data is on the Mac, you likely want to set the conduit settings to have the Mac overwrite the handheld. Ken On 11/3/05 2:49 PM, "Jeff Chambliss" wrote: > My events in iCal are not transferring to my Palm T3. The calendar > on my palm is now empty. I get the following log: > > Sync starting at 11/3/05 3:46 PM (15:46:58) on USB (5.0.1) > OK Mark/Space Contacts > NSInvalidArgumentException *** -[NSCFDictionary setObject:forKey:]: > attempt to insert nil value > OK Mark/Space Events with 1 message(s) > OK Mark/Space MemoPad > OK Mark/Space Tasks > Sync completed successfully at 11/3/05 3:47 PM (15:47:15) > > Any ideas > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From sgruby at markspace.com Thu Nov 3 16:17:37 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:17:46 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] URL/IM/Bday sync doesn't work In-Reply-To: <9A146E25-CD7B-4ED2-ADC0-E5426ACA6BCA@coopersco.com> References: <280D77F3-EF3E-4513-AE62-57E39473E3D6@coopersco.com> <394B52DE-1873-4685-B3BE-8BF26A6BA0FE@markspace.com> <9A146E25-CD7B-4ED2-ADC0-E5426ACA6BCA@coopersco.com> Message-ID: <736B745A-135F-4856-9B94-3F994791F1C7@markspace.com> On Nov 3, 2005, at 4:08 PM, Cooper Marcus wrote: > Using MS5 on OSX 1.4.2 with latest versions of Address Book: > > 1. Create new Address Book entry with name, URL, birthday, and IM > 2. Sync my Treo 600 > 3. Look up the new Address Book entry on my Treo - the new name is > there, but no other information has synced > > Any ideas what is going on here? This extra data is supported in Palm(one) devices released after mid 2003, such as the LifeDrive, T3, Treo 650. The Treo 600 is actually a Handspring device and uses a different database structure than the Palm devices, so we currently don't support the extra fields on that device. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From jgregjones at mac.com Thu Nov 3 16:31:09 2005 From: jgregjones at mac.com (Greg Jones) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:31:14 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] iTunes and iPhoto conduits Message-ID: <40B9BF46-F075-4153-92FB-02B25D069D35@mac.com> Has anyone else had difficulty using the iTunes and iPhoto conduits included with Missing Sync 5.01? When I try to configure these two conduits, I get an error message that iTunes and iPhoto are not installed. Both iTunes and iPhoto are installed where they should be and their names have not been changed. I do have my hard drive formatted as case-sensitive and am wondering if this could possibly be the cause? Any suggestions appreciated. Palm T3, Palm OS 5.2.1, Mac OS 10.4.3, iTunes 6.01, iPhoto 5.0.4, Missing Sync 5.01 From nanajana at mac.com Thu Nov 3 16:37:20 2005 From: nanajana at mac.com (Jan C.) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:37:28 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] FileMaker Mobile doesn't sync. Message-ID: I have 3 simple databases in FileMaker Pro 7 which usually sync with my Palm T3. One of the databases pretends to sync, but it doesn't. At the moment it will sync from iMac to Palm but not in the other direction. The FileMaker Mobile settings for the DB say the direction is "Bi-directional." My other two DB don't have this problem. Missing Sync says "Sync completed successfully." I have deleted the DB from the Palm and added it again several times. I have reset user in FMM many times. And trashed whatever FileMaker Mobile preferences I could find. I have made a copy of the file, exported the records to a tab delimited file and reimported them. I have changed the name of the file and put it in different locations. Still, no bi-directional syncing. Please tell me what else to try. Jan Chesne FileMaker Pro 7.0 v3 FileMaker Mobile 7.0.1.36 Palm T3, OS 5.2.1 OSX 10.4.2 Missing Sync 4.0.6 From missing at biggerhammer.org Thu Nov 3 16:41:21 2005 From: missing at biggerhammer.org (missing@biggerhammer.org) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:41:26 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Issues with MS 5 events/tasks failed sync In-Reply-To: <200511032002.jA3K1TmD023042@sparrow.markspace.com> References: <200511032002.jA3K1TmD023042@sparrow.markspace.com> Message-ID: I am having similar issues where I am unable to finish a sync. It shows Date Book on my Tungsten C and M/S Events in MS progress window. I decided not to force quit and MS took an eternity around 30 minutes. I ended up with the following log: TimeCopy: host 2005/11/03 16:03:39, palm 2005/11/03 16:03:40, diff: -1s OK TimeCopy ISyncSessionCancelledException Session cancelled. client is unresponsive, so kicking it out of the plan ISyncSessionCancelledException Session cancelled. client is unresponsive, so kicking it out of the plan SyncClient error. Mingling failed. OK Mark/Space Events with 3 message(s) OK Mark/Space MemoPad OK Mark/Space Tasks OK bh_applicants.fp7 Failed bh_clients.fp7 (error: 1) OK bh_contacts.fp7 OK bh_employees.fp7 OK bh_events.fp7 OK bh_runningevents.fp7 OK bh_venues.fp7 Failed bh_clients.fp7 (error: 1) OK FileMaker Mobile 7 with 2 message(s) Trip: No records have changed, syncronization stopped. OK Trip Conduit with 1 message(s) OK Documents To Go OK Backup Sync completed successfully at 11/3/05 4:35 PM (16:35:01) Not sure if I should re-install MS as it worked a few times but had major issues and many conflicting and misapplied categories. I would love to get this working right! It looks like iSync is showing up in the log but it's not even in MS and no handhelds are in iSync. Please let me know if I can add any info to sort this out more quickly. Mac OS 10.4.2 MS 5.0.1 Regards From trevor at vocaro.com Thu Nov 3 16:47:25 2005 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:47:29 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] URL/IM/Bday sync doesn't work In-Reply-To: <736B745A-135F-4856-9B94-3F994791F1C7@markspace.com> References: <280D77F3-EF3E-4513-AE62-57E39473E3D6@coopersco.com> <394B52DE-1873-4685-B3BE-8BF26A6BA0FE@markspace.com> <9A146E25-CD7B-4ED2-ADC0-E5426ACA6BCA@coopersco.com> <736B745A-135F-4856-9B94-3F994791F1C7@markspace.com> Message-ID: <3A8B25A1-0533-4FAE-8497-E76333A5ED80@vocaro.com> On Nov 3, 2005, at 4:17 PM, Scott Gruby wrote: > This extra data is supported in Palm(one) devices released after > mid 2003, such as the LifeDrive, T3, Treo 650. The Treo 600 is > actually a Handspring device and uses a different database > structure than the Palm devices, so we currently don't support the > extra fields on that device. I have a Treo 650, but I'm seeing a problem similar to Cooper's. The address, phone number, email, and company fields get synced, but the IM and birthday fields do not. Also, what about contact pictures? Address Book and the Treo support them, but my Address Book pictures are not being transferred to my Treo with MS 5. Trevor From trevor at vocaro.com Thu Nov 3 16:50:37 2005 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:50:41 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] iTunes and iPhoto conduits In-Reply-To: <40B9BF46-F075-4153-92FB-02B25D069D35@mac.com> References: <40B9BF46-F075-4153-92FB-02B25D069D35@mac.com> Message-ID: On Nov 3, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Greg Jones wrote: > Has anyone else had difficulty using the iTunes and iPhoto conduits > included with Missing Sync 5.01? When I try to configure these two > conduits, I get an error message that iTunes and iPhoto are not > installed. FWIW, I've tried the iPhoto conduit, and it works great. Same computer specs as yours but with a Treo 650. Trevor From trevor at vocaro.com Thu Nov 3 16:55:20 2005 From: trevor at vocaro.com (Trevor Harmon) Date: Thu Nov 3 16:55:24 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Introducing The Missing Sync for Palm OS, v5.0 In-Reply-To: References: <12103-01158@sneakemail.com> Message-ID: <7EABB71E-3DDE-4C0A-8E29-6FB058573F93@vocaro.com> On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:51 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > Some of the other new conduits (aside from iPhoto and PIM sync) Isn't the iPhoto syncing a new feature? That is,