From robynphillips at email.com Sun May 1 09:16:49 2005 From: robynphillips at email.com (Robyn Phillips) Date: Sat Apr 30 15:17:04 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync quits In-Reply-To: <200504301714.j3UHE0J4013137@relay3.apple.com> Message-ID: on 1/5/05 3:14, Bill Henry wrote: > I'm getting the similar scenario of quits with yhe beta and 4.04 but I'm not > getting any sort of crash log - trying to narrow down the conduits. > > --- Original Message --- > From: Pat Dengler > Sent: Sat 4/30/2005 9:39 am > > The following is the log from Missing Sync after the sync quits. I > get a message on the palm saying connection was lost. > Mac OS X.4 (Tiger), Treo 650, latest Missing Sync beta released > yesterday. > > The status box goes away on the powerbook but in the dock, the MS > icon shows a 3/4 status. I have to click on it twice for the > application to open. > I am reluctant to say this - but me too! I am using version 4.0.4 (59) with Tiger and I have having lots of quits, one rather large crash and syncing problems as well. The quitting situation is along the lines of go in and change a conduit or turn a conduit off and Missing Sync will just close. It can also take several attempts to open the application. I also had a problem last night where I put a new contact onto my Treo, and a different new one on the desktop and when I synced, neither of these would transfer across to the other device, even though the Contacts conduit was set to synchronise and the log reports 'OK Contacts'. I have also seen Missing Sync quit during a sync (and my Treo 650 takes ages to work out what has happened and clean up). I also had a large crash in the middle of a sync where I ended up being asked to send in an error report (something about kernel protection failure). From my logs (see below) it appears to have been Conduit Manager that crashed. I have also noticed this weird message in my console log (it seems to be associated with when I sync): 2005-04-30 22:57:16.984 Missing Sync for Palm OS[1524] *** Assertion failure in -[NSTextFieldCell _objectValue:forString:errorDescription:], AppKit.subproj/NSCell.m:1298 And in my system log, I found this information associated with my syncing attempts and the big crash: Apr 30 20:35:35 Robyns-PowerBook kernel[0]: AFP_VFS afpfs_mount: /Volumes/james, pid 1320 Apr 30 20:40:35 Robyns-PowerBook kernel[0]: AFP_VFS afpfs_unmount: /Volumes/james, flags 0, pid 1325 Apr 30 21:16:34 Robyns-PowerBook crashdump[1396]: Conduit Manager crashed Apr 30 21:16:37 Robyns-PowerBook crashdump[1396]: crash report written to: /Users/robyn/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/Conduit Manager.crash.log Apr 30 21:22:15 Robyns-PowerBook /Users/robyn/Desktop/To Be Deleted/Palm Backup/Palm/HotSync Manager/Contents/MacOSClassic/HotSync Manager: launch failed with error code -2804 (cfragNoLibraryErr) for application -psn_0_16908289 Apr 30 21:42:34 Robyns-PowerBook kernel[0]: USBF: 55551.660 AppleUSBOHCI[0x36bd800]::Found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 27, timing out! Apr 30 21:42:34 Robyns-PowerBook kernel[0]: USBF: 55551.661 AppleUSBOHCI[0x36bd800]::DoIOTransfer - error 0xe0004051 queueing request I thought it was because I have been playing around with iSync. I thought syncing my contacts to Apple's Address Book with iSync would be a good idea, but I have been having too many issues with the data not syncing properly (and I need categories) that I have decided to go back to using only Palm Desktop for contacts. Reading these emails has led me to think that it may not be only peculiar to my circumstances. Robyn From berkowit at silcom.com Sun May 1 00:19:32 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Sat Apr 30 23:19:40 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Rogue Applications Synched In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks. I'll try that too. But it's academic at the moment - the Treo went dead today and could not be resuscitated. I'm having to send it back and they're sending a replacement. I'll try syncing next time around without Backup. I'll be interested to see if it makes its own Graffiti Shortcuts.prc in the new Backup folder. -- Paul Berkowitz > From: Chris Duke > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:55:27 -0700 > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Rogue Applications Synched > > If you enable graffiti with "Graffiti Anywhere" you can make the > graffiti strokes anywhere on the Treo screen. I have it set up so > that it only recognizes the strokes if I hold in the side button, so > it's not obtrusive. It's convenient to have the option, which I only > use if I have a lot of text to enter. > > Chris > > > On Apr 29, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > >> That's correct - I'm using the 5-way button for almost everything. >> But when >> not, there's nowhere to enter Graffiti anyway - you use the miniature >> keyboard. I'm very impressed with it (although it IS tiny, even for my >> hands). Someone has really thought through how people think: the >> Option >> characters are all paired with the correct "normal" characters, and >> the >> extra Alt characters even more so. You find them just where you'd >> expect to >> - sometimes in more than one such place. And you really just do >> need one >> hand. >> >> Good to know that I shouldn't go through contortions to try to get >> rid of >> the Graffiti library though - thanks Chris. It's not doing any harm >> - I'll >> just leave it be. Once I deleted the apps I didn't need, there's no >> more >> errors and soft resets (crashes) happening. >> >> -- >> Paul Berkowitz >> >> >> >>> From: Robert Williams >>> Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" >>> >>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:03:24 -0500 >>> To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Rogue Applications >>> Synched >>> >>> I have heard folks say that they do not even need graffiti on the >>> TREO >>> because the 5-way button is so well implemented. >>> >>> I know it is somewhat OT, but I would like to hear opinions on >>> Graffiti and >>> the various graffiti replacement programs out there. >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On 4/29/05 12:28 PM, "Chris Duke" wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You can't get rid of graffiti, since it's on Treo 650's by default. >>>> Just not enabled. it can be enabled by installing "Graffiti >>>> anywhere". >>>> chris >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list >>> missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com >>> Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives >>> can be found >>> at: >>> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com >> Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives >> can be found at: >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From berkowit at silcom.com Sun May 1 00:27:35 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Sat Apr 30 23:27:42 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage Message-ID: Several of you have said here you're waiting on the Treo 650 until Verizon carries it because Verizon's coverage is better. You mean nationally, or in your neck of the woods? And how do you come by that knowledge? - all the website maps are pretty small-scale. Cingular seems excellent in California, where I live and drive. And of course they cover all major cities and population centers, where I'll fly. I don't particularly care about the back roads of distant states. I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, not GSM. The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and was what they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? -- Paul Berkowitz From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sun May 1 15:32:48 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun May 1 05:34:22 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:27 PM -0700 2005-04-30, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, not GSM. > The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and was what > they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the > competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? Technology-wise, CDMA has a number of advantages. For carriers, if you use CDMA you can cram in more calls in a given set of signal bandwidth than you could if you were to use TDMA or GSM (GSM being similar to TDMA at this level within the technology). GSM is obviously more widely used in the world, whereas the only major markets using CDMA are the US and Korea (and the US also uses GSM, albeit on different frequency bands than elsewhere in the world). GSM also allows you to do things like three-way calling, whereas CDMA has problems in this area (the CDMA Treos can't do three-way calling whereas the GSM Treos can, and this is due to the underlying technology). In terms of what the technology is capable of providing today to the typical end-user, there's not that much difference between them. Most of the differences are behind-the-scenes and are primarily visible to the carriers. Note that the new "3G" communications systems are all based on CDMA, whether you're talking about CDMA2000 or UMTS, and the work to develop these technologies came from all the different players in the market, including many companies that today work exclusively or primarily with GSM. In the not-too-distant future, all mobile phones used world-wide will be using some form of CDMA. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sun May 1 16:03:13 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun May 1 06:03:41 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:32 PM +0200 2005-05-01, Brad Knowles wrote: > Technology-wise, CDMA has a number of advantages. For carriers, if > you use CDMA you can cram in more calls in a given set of signal > bandwidth than you could if you were to use TDMA or GSM (GSM being > similar to TDMA at this level within the technology). A little bit of Googling for "CDMA vs. GSM" has turned up a couple of good pages at and . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From berkowit at silcom.com Sun May 1 08:26:21 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Sun May 1 07:26:25 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/1/05 6:03 AM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > > A little bit of Googling for "CDMA vs. GSM" has turned up a > couple of good pages at > and . Thank you. The first one in particular is very helpful. -- Paul Berkowitz From Dave at Hall.net Sun May 1 08:30:16 2005 From: Dave at Hall.net (David Hall) Date: Sun May 1 07:30:30 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tiger and Missing Sync Message-ID: I know that the website says that Missing Sync 4.04 works with Tiger, but my syncs have ended with an error message saying it couldn't be completed. Any thoughts? David Hall (602) 501-9610 From csduke at hummosa.com Sun May 1 17:15:29 2005 From: csduke at hummosa.com (Chris Duke) Date: Sun May 1 16:15:40 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDA5204-0780-4703-B401-F740564F76CE@hummosa.com> It's probably mentioned in earlier posts, but CDMA is NOT what they have in Europe. This was the killer issue for me. I can take my unlocked GSM treo to Europe and use it anywhere. Either I leave in the ATT chip and pay 99c per min per call, or buy a local pay-as-you go chip for when I make many local calls. Works incredibly well. by-the-way, my Treo is syncing fine over bluetooth with Tiger. I installed the MS 1.0.5b release, and had to remove the "501" isync file (to cure an Isync hang). The hang was so bad I couldn't even force quit isync. Chris On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:27 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > Several of you have said here you're waiting on the Treo 650 until > Verizon > carries it because Verizon's coverage is better. You mean > nationally, or in > your neck of the woods? And how do you come by that knowledge? - > all the > website maps are pretty small-scale. > > Cingular seems excellent in California, where I live and drive. And of > course they cover all major cities and population centers, where > I'll fly. I > don't particularly care about the back roads of distant states. > > I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, > not GSM. > The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and > was what > they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the > competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? > > -- > Paul Berkowitz > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > > From bobwilliams at knology.net Mon May 2 04:28:18 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Mon May 2 01:28:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree Eric - and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All it will take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the wait worth it! I WAS hoping that it was going to be released last week though - sure hope the wait is not going to be like the long period of time after they "Announced" the 600 though. . . On 4/29/05 5:15 PM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > On 4/29/05 1:52 PM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > >>> Congratulations Paul!! I briefly used a 650 with Cingular but the service >>> coverage was just not what Verizon's is so I returned it and I am now >>> waiting for Verizon to come out with the 650. >> >> You can always buy an unlocked 650 and use it with Verizon. I >> came very close to buying an unlocked 650 from a US source and having >> it shipped to me over here in Belgium, but there was a minor hiccup >> at the last moment with the credit card so I cancelled that order. I >> ended up buying one here locally about a couple of weeks later. > > Verizon employs a CDMA network, so it is not possible to buy the unlocked > GSM Treo to use on Verizon's network. > > It is theoretically possible to buy a Sprint CDMA Treo and painfully hack it > to work on Verizon's network, but Verizon is only days away from releasing > the Treo 650 with full support, so why bother. > > I. too, eagerly await Verizon's Treo 650 launch. > > Eric From berkowit at silcom.com Mon May 2 02:41:37 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Mon May 2 01:41:42 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: None of you has yet said why you think Verizon's coverage is better than Cingular's. Where does this information come from, and how localized is it to your own particular area? -- Paul Berkowitz > From: Robert Williams > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 03:28:18 -0500 > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] > > > I agree Eric - and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is > worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All it will > take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the wait > worth it! > > I WAS hoping that it was going to be released last week though - sure hope > the wait is not going to be like the long period of time after they > "Announced" the 600 though. . . > > > On 4/29/05 5:15 PM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > >> On 4/29/05 1:52 PM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: >> >>>> Congratulations Paul!! I briefly used a 650 with Cingular but the service >>>> coverage was just not what Verizon's is so I returned it and I am now >>>> waiting for Verizon to come out with the 650. >>> >>> You can always buy an unlocked 650 and use it with Verizon. I >>> came very close to buying an unlocked 650 from a US source and having >>> it shipped to me over here in Belgium, but there was a minor hiccup >>> at the last moment with the credit card so I cancelled that order. I >>> ended up buying one here locally about a couple of weeks later. >> >> Verizon employs a CDMA network, so it is not possible to buy the unlocked >> GSM Treo to use on Verizon's network. >> >> It is theoretically possible to buy a Sprint CDMA Treo and painfully hack it >> to work on Verizon's network, but Verizon is only days away from releasing >> the Treo 650 with full support, so why bother. >> >> I. too, eagerly await Verizon's Treo 650 launch. >> >> Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From bobwilliams at knology.net Mon May 2 04:42:34 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Mon May 2 01:42:42 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul, When I lived in New Mexico, Verizon was the only carrier that would let you get off the interstate and still get a signal (even then, Verizon was always more robust and reliable) I enjoyed the same coverage when we moved to Alabama - except a lack of coverage when we were in Talladega (we were there for a Nextel-sponsored NASCAR race and everyone who was not on Nextel was having problems so I am a bit suspicious about that data point! :-) When we switched to Cingular briefly this year, I went to the same places I went with my 2 year old Verizon phone and had problems making calls. Even in my office, where I always had 4 bars with my Verizon I could not get a signal with Cingular. And don't even get me started about the RFI a GSM phone puts out. . . HOW annoying! I could always tell when I was getting a incoming call because I would hear static and white noise on my car radio just before the phone rang (I was told by Cingular tech support that this was just the nature of the GSM beast). I traveled with the Cingular for 2 weeks and can categorically state that coverage with Verizon was vastly superior to what I received with Cingular (same locations, different times but different services and Verizon was always bulletproof & Cingular would simply drop calls in major metropolitan areas [while driving] - I assume this was an artifact of passing from one cell tower to another. So there you have it Paul - my story of Cingular. HTH Bob On 5/1/05 1:27 AM, "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: > Several of you have said here you're waiting on the Treo 650 until Verizon > carries it because Verizon's coverage is better. You mean nationally, or in > your neck of the woods? And how do you come by that knowledge? - all the > website maps are pretty small-scale. > > Cingular seems excellent in California, where I live and drive. And of > course they cover all major cities and population centers, where I'll fly. I > don't particularly care about the back roads of distant states. > > I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, not GSM. > The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and was what > they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the > competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? From berkowit at silcom.com Mon May 2 03:01:39 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Mon May 2 02:01:46 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Bob. I probably don't travel as much as you. I've never had any problem in California. That was using AT&T, but my phone virtually always showed "D" for Digital (as opposed to the really old Analog network also available where Digital wasn't) and that might be the same shared network as the Cingular GSM, or more likely not. Anyway, I never lost signal in my limited usage. I guess I'll find out first hand in the months to come. (As it happens, Verizon is the local phone company in my city/county, but not in much more of California, though. No connection to wireless, of course.) -- Paul Berkowitz > From: Robert Williams > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 03:42:34 -0500 > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage > > Paul, > > When I lived in New Mexico, Verizon was the only carrier that would let you > get off the interstate and still get a signal (even then, Verizon was always > more robust and reliable) > > I enjoyed the same coverage when we moved to Alabama - except a lack of > coverage when we were in Talladega (we were there for a Nextel-sponsored > NASCAR race and everyone who was not on Nextel was having problems so I am a > bit suspicious about that data point! :-) > > When we switched to Cingular briefly this year, I went to the same places I > went with my 2 year old Verizon phone and had problems making calls. Even in > my office, where I always had 4 bars with my Verizon I could not get a > signal with Cingular. > > And don't even get me started about the RFI a GSM phone puts out. . . HOW > annoying! I could always tell when I was getting a incoming call because I > would hear static and white noise on my car radio just before the phone rang > (I was told by Cingular tech support that this was just the nature of the > GSM beast). > > I traveled with the Cingular for 2 weeks and can categorically state that > coverage with Verizon was vastly superior to what I received with Cingular > (same locations, different times but different services and Verizon was > always bulletproof & Cingular would simply drop calls in major metropolitan > areas [while driving] - I assume this was an artifact of passing from one > cell tower to another. > > So there you have it Paul - my story of Cingular. > > HTH > > Bob > > > On 5/1/05 1:27 AM, "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: > >> Several of you have said here you're waiting on the Treo 650 until Verizon >> carries it because Verizon's coverage is better. You mean nationally, or in >> your neck of the woods? And how do you come by that knowledge? - all the >> website maps are pretty small-scale. >> >> Cingular seems excellent in California, where I live and drive. And of >> course they cover all major cities and population centers, where I'll fly. I >> don't particularly care about the back roads of distant states. >> >> I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, not GSM. >> The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and was what >> they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the >> competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From eullman at markspace.com Mon May 2 09:04:51 2005 From: eullman at markspace.com (Eric Ullman) Date: Mon May 2 08:04:58 2005 Subject: Coverage Experiences (Was: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can only speak from personal experience, having had Cingular, Sprint and Verizon. Cingular has excellent coverage in my local area (SF Bay Area), since they were once PacTel Cellular (local phone company before SBC). However, their coverage on the East Coast and in parts of the Midwest left a lot to be desired. I used to travel a great deal, all over the country, and I got tired of roaming. This is probably somewhat better now that they have merged with AT&T. I understand that T-Mobile piggybacks on Cingular's network in the Western US. Sprint had outstanding coverage on the East Coast, but It wasn't as good in my home area. The fact that Sprint was CDMA also forced me to rent a phone when I traveled to Europe and the UK. Expensive! I do not get Sprint coverage at home, or rather, I get just enough of a signal to prevent phones from going into low power mode, but not to complete a call reliably. With Verizon, I have experienced excellent coverage where my travels have taken me. I still don't have the international flexibility of a GSM phone, but I can't fault the US coverage that Verizon offers. Your mileage may vary. Eric -- Eric Ullman Director of Sales and Marketing Mark/Space, Inc. eullman@markspace.com On 5/2/05 1:41 AM, "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: > None of you has yet said why you think Verizon's coverage is better than > Cingular's. Where does this information come from, and how localized is it > to your own particular area? From berkowit at silcom.com Mon May 2 09:33:33 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Mon May 2 08:33:41 2005 Subject: Coverage Experiences (Was: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/2/05 8:04 AM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > With Verizon, I have experienced excellent coverage where my travels have > taken me. I still don't have the international flexibility of a GSM phone, > but I can't fault the US coverage that Verizon offers. > > Your mileage may vary. Thanks, Eric. I think you may find that your comment about Cingular: "This is probably somewhat better now that they have merged with AT&T." may prove to be something of an understatement, and put previous evaluations out of date. I was with AT&T (on a Nokia) for many years, and in my more restricted travels-with-phone, pretty well confined to the West Coast, the AT&T coverage alone was pretty good. Anyway, time will tell. I'm giving it a go. -- Paul Berkowitz From jerryw at jwdezign.com Mon May 2 12:04:04 2005 From: jerryw at jwdezign.com (Jerry Walter) Date: Mon May 2 11:05:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Mounting an expansion card Palm 5/Mac OS X.2 Message-ID: <3018ADE9-BB2C-11D9-AB97-003065C426F4@jwdezign.com> Hello- For some reason I cannot get my expansion card to mount on my Mac desktop. I have tried everything I know and can find. I've reformatted the card, I have checked and unchecked settings in the Finder general preferences (other disks mount fine), I have checked the proxy settings in Network Preferences, nothing seems to work. I am using a Palm T3 w/ Palm OS 5 and a Mac running OS 10.2.8. Actually, the only thing I can get MS to do is sync w/ Avantgo, addresses and calendar. No mail, no expansion card or anything else MS supposedly does. Pretty frustrating. Jerry Walter From berkowit at silcom.com Mon May 2 15:54:15 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Mon May 2 14:58:01 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/2/05 1:28 AM, "Robert Williams" wrote: > and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is > worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All it will > take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the wait > worth it! This is _way_ OT so I'm prepared to be told it's too OT for this list. I'm coming up against one of the liabilities of having everything in one device (the Treo 650). As a phone, you want to be able to answer it quickly with a minimum of fussing about opening cover clasps, etc. On the other hand, it's a pretty valuable item that probably should be protected by a good case, in case you do drop it. Most cases are either "open face" - which affords no protection to the front - or are latched at the bottom and have to be unlatched, then "unwrapped". I first was going to get one of palmOne's own "Formfit" cases. But it's open face - is it even worth it? It's basically to have a way of attaching it to a belt. I prefer to put it in my pocket. I'm rather enjoying having no case at all, but I'm sure it will get scratched and maybe damaged in time. (I do have a thin film over the screen.) There are a number of classy - and expensive - cases around. One of the nicest is the Piel Frama - you can get it at the palmOne Treo store or more models at . ($60 or 60 euros). But it does have the "unwrapping" issue like the rest of them. Then there's the world's-most-expensive-case from Vaja - the T66 must give the best protection (rock-hard leather) but looks even more awkward to open and costs more than a Zire ($130). The PA31 ($77) would be an alternative to the Piel Frama. One of the most interesting options is the Sena It is a flip-down (magnet close) from the top, so would be by far the quickest to get open if the phone rings. Almost as quick as no case at all. Of course it might also flip open if you dropped it. Still, it looks like it might be the best bet. It's also very reasonable ($44), relatively for these high-end cases. There's a good round-up of reviews here: . As I say, I'm tempted to go with no case at all, but it has its risks... Any thoughts? -- Paul Berkowitz From pdengler at gmail.com Mon May 2 16:32:41 2005 From: pdengler at gmail.com (Pat Dengler) Date: Mon May 2 15:32:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love the nutshell: www.nutshell.cc On May 2, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 5/2/05 1:28 AM, "Robert Williams" wrote: > > >> and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is >> worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - >> All it will >> take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make >> the wait >> worth it! >> > > This is _way_ OT so I'm prepared to be told it's too OT for this list. > > I'm coming up against one of the liabilities of having everything > in one > device (the Treo 650). As a phone, you want to be able to answer it > quickly > with a minimum of fussing about opening cover clasps, etc. On the > other > hand, it's a pretty valuable item that probably should be protected > by a > good case, in case you do drop it. > > Most cases are either "open face" - which affords no protection to > the front > - or are latched at the bottom and have to be unlatched, then > "unwrapped". I > first was going to get one of palmOne's own "Formfit" cases. But > it's open > face - is it even worth it? It's basically to have a way of > attaching it to > a belt. I prefer to put it in my pocket. I'm rather enjoying having > no case > at all, but I'm sure it will get scratched and maybe damaged in > time. (I do > have a thin film over the screen.) > > There are a number of classy - and expensive - cases around. One of > the > nicest is the Piel Frama - you can get it at the palmOne Treo store > or more > models at . ($60 or 60 > euros). > But it does have the "unwrapping" issue like the rest of them. Then > there's > the world's-most-expensive-case from Vaja > - the T66 must give the best > protection (rock-hard leather) but looks even more awkward to open > and costs > more than a Zire ($130). The PA31 ($77) would be an alternative to > the Piel > Frama. One of the most interesting options is the Sena > p-1-c-32 > 0.html> It is a flip-down (magnet close) from the top, so would be > by far > the quickest to get open if the phone rings. Almost as quick as no > case at > all. Of course it might also flip open if you dropped it. Still, it > looks > like it might be the best bet. It's also very reasonable ($44), > relatively > for these high-end cases. > > There's a good round-up of reviews here: > . > > As I say, I'm tempted to go with no case at all, but it has its > risks... Any > thoughts? > > > -- > Paul Berkowitz > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From bobwilliams at knology.net Mon May 2 20:00:07 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Mon May 2 17:00:11 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul, This is my solution (I used it on my TREO 650 for @ a week and loved it, & I will promptly re-install it on my TREO from VeriZon): I bought a lateral pouch belt clip leather case. This case allows you to put the TREO in horizontally & lift it out of the case using the stub antenna - VERY handy and easy to get to. However...there is always that chance that as it comes out, it slips out of the ol' butterfingers. On to solution #2 I bought a silicon "glove" that fits over the TREO like skin. The screen & keyboard remains open but there is enough 'padding' (I believe) to protect the device from a drop. I also got some screen protectors (actually they were a freebie promotion but I think I will continue using them - keeps screen scratches to a minimum! I got all all this stuff from the treocentral store at a much better price than I found anywhere else - the silicon case was $19.95 (others are as much as $35) and the lateral pouch case was $19.95 as well. The screen protectors are off special now and cost $16.00 for a 3 pack. I went this paranoid route Paul because Cingular did not offer ANY type of cellular insurance and I wanted to protect my investment as much as possible. In retrospect, I would probably only opt for the leather side case what with Verizon's great insurance policy. HTH Bob On 5/2/05 4:54 PM, "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: > On 5/2/05 1:28 AM, "Robert Williams" wrote: > >> and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is >> worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All it will >> take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the wait >> worth it! > > This is _way_ OT so I'm prepared to be told it's too OT for this list. > > I'm coming up against one of the liabilities of having everything in one > device (the Treo 650). As a phone, you want to be able to answer it quickly > with a minimum of fussing about opening cover clasps, etc. On the other > hand, it's a pretty valuable item that probably should be protected by a > good case, in case you do drop it. > > Most cases are either "open face" - which affords no protection to the front > - or are latched at the bottom and have to be unlatched, then "unwrapped". I > first was going to get one of palmOne's own "Formfit" cases. But it's open > face - is it even worth it? It's basically to have a way of attaching it to > a belt. I prefer to put it in my pocket. I'm rather enjoying having no case > at all, but I'm sure it will get scratched and maybe damaged in time. (I do > have a thin film over the screen.) > > There are a number of classy - and expensive - cases around. One of the > nicest is the Piel Frama - you can get it at the palmOne Treo store or more > models at . ($60 or 60 euros). > But it does have the "unwrapping" issue like the rest of them. Then there's > the world's-most-expensive-case from Vaja > - the T66 must give the best > protection (rock-hard leather) but looks even more awkward to open and costs > more than a Zire ($130). The PA31 ($77) would be an alternative to the Piel > Frama. One of the most interesting options is the Sena > 0.html> It is a flip-down (magnet close) from the top, so would be by far > the quickest to get open if the phone rings. Almost as quick as no case at > all. Of course it might also flip open if you dropped it. Still, it looks > like it might be the best bet. It's also very reasonable ($44), relatively > for these high-end cases. > > There's a good round-up of reviews here: > . > > As I say, I'm tempted to go with no case at all, but it has its risks... Any > thoughts? > From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue May 3 02:16:58 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon May 2 17:29:18 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:42 AM -0500 2005-05-02, Robert Williams wrote: > And don't even get me started about the RFI a GSM phone puts out. . . HOW > annoying! I could always tell when I was getting a incoming call because I > would hear static and white noise on my car radio just before the phone rang > (I was told by Cingular tech support that this was just the nature of the > GSM beast). That is certainly true. Any time my wife is calling me on the phone and I'm near my computer, I can pick up the phone several seconds before it rings, because I can hear the interference through the speakers -- even when I've got the volume turned all the way down. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue May 3 02:27:03 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon May 2 17:29:20 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:54 PM -0700 2005-05-02, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > There's a good round-up of reviews here: > . For myself, I'm going the maximum protection route -- an aluminum case, such as frequently provided by Proporta, inside of a a side-carry case with a velcro flap. It might take longer to get out, but having dropped mine and luckily came out okay, I'm not going to take any further chances. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From bobwilliams at knology.net Mon May 2 20:46:55 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Mon May 2 17:47:05 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep - that is my solution as well when I am out Hiking and Geocaching Brad. I use the leather side holster as my business attire :-) (and the aluminum cases are really easy to manipulate as well - just very clunky when you are in office clothes - yes, I am unfortunately now a member of the shirt & tie set. . .) On 5/2/05 6:27 PM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > At 2:54 PM -0700 2005-05-02, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > >> There's a good round-up of reviews here: >> . > > For myself, I'm going the maximum protection route -- an aluminum > case, such as frequently provided by Proporta, inside of a a > side-carry case with a velcro flap. It might take longer to get out, > but having dropped mine and luckily came out okay, I'm not going to > take any further chances. From martin.muntenbruch at gmx.de Mon May 2 18:54:49 2005 From: martin.muntenbruch at gmx.de (Martin Muntenbruch) Date: Mon May 2 17:55:25 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Paul, > quickest to get open if the phone rings Here's a thought: don't even touch your phone. Grab the Bluespoon (10 gramms) and click. You're online and can talk :-) http://www.blue-spoon.com/index.asp?sideid=108&top=bs Martin From geraint.smith at mac.com Tue May 3 07:31:43 2005 From: geraint.smith at mac.com (Geraint Smith) Date: Mon May 2 22:31:52 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e208a1fe3e8d7c6ee7cbe65041b6734@mac.com> Paul, I can vouch for the Piel Frama. I have their cases for my T3 and Sony Ericsson 610. The latter is extremely easy to open fast, despite the press stud closure. They are both tight-fitting and slim, and, if you carry them on your belt, surprisingly quick to detach for use as well. The only disadvantages to this are that the plastic belt clips are not desperately strong (get into a car with them on in the wrong place and you'll be back to Piel Frama for more) and that if you have more than one you end up looking like a paratrooper. Otherwise, they are excellent, and very smart. And although I haven't yet dropped the T3 from any great height onto anything really hard, the 610 has survived several such adventures. Regards, Geraint Smith. On 2 May 2005, at 22:54, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 5/2/05 1:28 AM, "Robert Williams" wrote: > >> and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is >> worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All >> it will >> take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the >> wait >> worth it! > > This is _way_ OT so I'm prepared to be told it's too OT for this list. > > I'm coming up against one of the liabilities of having everything in > one > device (the Treo 650). As a phone, you want to be able to answer it > quickly > with a minimum of fussing about opening cover clasps, etc. On the other > hand, it's a pretty valuable item that probably should be protected by > a > good case, in case you do drop it. > > Most cases are either "open face" - which affords no protection to the > front > - or are latched at the bottom and have to be unlatched, then > "unwrapped". I > first was going to get one of palmOne's own "Formfit" cases. But it's > open > face - is it even worth it? It's basically to have a way of attaching > it to > a belt. I prefer to put it in my pocket. I'm rather enjoying having no > case > at all, but I'm sure it will get scratched and maybe damaged in time. > (I do > have a thin film over the screen.) > > There are a number of classy - and expensive - cases around. One of the > nicest is the Piel Frama - you can get it at the palmOne Treo store or > more > models at . ($60 or 60 > euros). > But it does have the "unwrapping" issue like the rest of them. Then > there's > the world's-most-expensive-case from Vaja > - the T66 must give the best > protection (rock-hard leather) but looks even more awkward to open and > costs > more than a Zire ($130). The PA31 ($77) would be an alternative to the > Piel > Frama. One of the most interesting options is the Sena > -1-c-32 > 0.html> It is a flip-down (magnet close) from the top, so would be by > far > the quickest to get open if the phone rings. Almost as quick as no > case at > all. Of course it might also flip open if you dropped it. Still, it > looks > like it might be the best bet. It's also very reasonable ($44), > relatively > for these high-end cases. > > There's a good round-up of reviews here: > . > > As I say, I'm tempted to go with no case at all, but it has its > risks... Any > thoughts? > > > -- > Paul Berkowitz > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can > be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From bobwilliams at knology.net Tue May 3 19:51:37 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Tue May 3 16:51:41 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yea, there is that - I forgot to mention that! Bluetooth headsets are great (I have a Jabra, and it is light enough to wear for 5+ hours without discomfort - and unobtrusive enough so that folks won't stare! :-) The bluespoon (and others like it) are pretty cool, but they remind me of the computer interface Spock wore in the old Star Trek Series :-) On 5/2/05 7:54 PM, "Martin Muntenbruch" wrote: > Hello Paul, > >> quickest to get open if the phone rings > > Here's a thought: don't even touch your phone. Grab the Bluespoon (10 > gramms) and click. You're online and can talk :-) > > http://www.blue-spoon.com/index.asp?sideid=108&top=bs > > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Wed May 4 04:47:18 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Tue May 3 19:02:51 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 6:51 PM -0500 2005-05-03, Robert Williams wrote: > The bluespoon (and others like it) are pretty cool, but they remind me of > the computer interface Spock wore in the old Star Trek Series :-) You mean worn by both Spock and Uhura, surely. I've done a fair amount of Googling. Those are called either "earphones", "earpieces", or "headsets", according to the script copies I've read. I have yet to find any definitive source of information that would give them any other name. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From berkowit at silcom.com Tue May 3 22:25:53 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Tue May 3 21:25:57 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: <5e208a1fe3e8d7c6ee7cbe65041b6734@mac.com> Message-ID: On 5/2/05 10:31 PM, "Geraint Smith" wrote: > Paul, I can vouch for the Piel Frama. I have their cases for my T3 and > Sony Ericsson 610. The latter is extremely easy to open fast, despite > the press stud closure. They are both tight-fitting and slim, and, if > you carry them on your belt, surprisingly quick to detach for use as > well. The only disadvantages to this are that the plastic belt clips > are not desperately strong (get into a car with them on in the wrong > place and you'll be back to Piel Frama for more) and that if you have > more than one you end up looking like a paratrooper. Otherwise, they > are excellent, and very smart. And although I haven't yet dropped the > T3 from any great height onto anything really hard, the 610 has > survived several such adventures. Thanks, Geraint. That's helpful, that you say it's easy and quick to unclasp and unfurl. I'm probably going to carry it in a pocket, not my belt. So, for me, it's between the Piel Frama - which both looks nicer and may give more protection (precisely since there is a clasp) - and the Sena. I'm not interested in Bob's arrangement - the lateral belt pouch is of no interest to me, and the silicon glove offers really minimal protection (or none). I want a case that it stays in permanently - if I drop it, it will be while I'm holding it for use or getting hold of it. The Sena still looks that little bit easier to get at and flip open, but might open of its own "volition". I'll mull it over another few days, then decide. Too bad I can't see the real items somewhere, and compare. Where I live there isn't even anywhere that has the Treo in stock - if the Cingular store(s) had it I could have just swapped over my dead one for a new one. Instead I had to "buy" another one which is arriving tomorrow, then ship the dead one back for a refund. -- Paul Berkowitz From BDarkatsh at aol.com Wed May 4 09:14:44 2005 From: BDarkatsh at aol.com (BDarkatsh@aol.com) Date: Wed May 4 05:14:57 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Subscription problems Message-ID: <1e3.3b257f83.2faa16b4@aol.com> Am not sure if my previous post reached a non-automatic address, i.e., if an actual real-live person was at the receiving end. Thank you for confirming my re-subscription. I received a message on 4/24 that I was unsubscribed from the list. I may not have been a frequent contributor, but I always derived much benefit from the posts of others. Do I need to choose another server? I occasionally use MAIL or EARTHLINK but check them infrequently. I am on several other lists and this has never happened on any of them. Please advise. Thank you. -Bev From geraint.smith at mac.com Wed May 4 14:16:57 2005 From: geraint.smith at mac.com (Geraint Smith) Date: Wed May 4 05:17:07 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35adba8bbb844fa6e6819e867080755a@mac.com> You're very welcome, Paul. In fact, if you are keeping one of the Piel Frama cases in your pocket it doesn't matter too much if you don't even do up the popper because they sit naturally closed. Then all it takes is a quite flick (Star Trek style, to take up an earlier theme!) to open it as it comes out of your pocket. And it's also worth saying that after a couple of years' use the leather (mine are both just plain black which looks great) looks even better than it did new. Actually, I take that back. You're not welcome at all, and I am really annoyed with you. After seeing your question, I wanted to check what the Piel Frama range was now before I put pixel to screen, so I had a look at the website - and promptly spent megabucks (OK, I exaggerate, but you know what I mean) on a case for my iPod, which I didn't know they made. And it's all your fault. ;^) Oh, well, it all goes to help the Spanish economy, I suppose. Take care. Geraint. On 4 May 2005, at 05:25, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 5/2/05 10:31 PM, "Geraint Smith" wrote: > >> Paul, I can vouch for the Piel Frama. I have their cases for my T3 and >> Sony Ericsson 610. The latter is extremely easy to open fast, despite >> the press stud closure. They are both tight-fitting and slim, and, if >> you carry them on your belt, surprisingly quick to detach for use as >> well. The only disadvantages to this are that the plastic belt clips >> are not desperately strong (get into a car with them on in the wrong >> place and you'll be back to Piel Frama for more) and that if you have >> more than one you end up looking like a paratrooper. Otherwise, they >> are excellent, and very smart. And although I haven't yet dropped the >> T3 from any great height onto anything really hard, the 610 has >> survived several such adventures. > > Thanks, Geraint. That's helpful, that you say it's easy and quick to > unclasp > and unfurl. I'm probably going to carry it in a pocket, not my belt. > So, for > me, it's between the Piel Frama - which both looks nicer and may give > more > protection (precisely since there is a clasp) - and the Sena. I'm not > interested in Bob's arrangement - the lateral belt pouch is of no > interest > to me, and the silicon glove offers really minimal protection (or > none). I > want a case that it stays in permanently - if I drop it, it will be > while > I'm holding it for use or getting hold of it. > > The Sena still looks that little bit easier to get at and flip open, > but > might open of its own "volition". I'll mull it over another few days, > then > decide. Too bad I can't see the real items somewhere, and compare. > Where I > live there isn't even anywhere that has the Treo in stock - if the > Cingular > store(s) had it I could have just swapped over my dead one for a new > one. > Instead I had to "buy" another one which is arriving tomorrow, then > ship the > dead one back for a refund. > > -- > Paul Berkowitz > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can > be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk Wed May 4 14:48:04 2005 From: ucgajpd at ucl.ac.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Wed May 4 05:48:13 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: <35adba8bbb844fa6e6819e867080755a@mac.com> Message-ID: I don't wish to be rude and this discussion has been very well behaved, and borderline OT, but now we seem to be doing iPods...can it rest or go offlist? Or I can put a filter for subject OT but that can be a bit flakey at sifting messages. Cheers guys. From robynphillips at email.com Thu May 5 07:21:26 2005 From: robynphillips at email.com (Robyn Phillips) Date: Wed May 4 13:21:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: <5e208a1fe3e8d7c6ee7cbe65041b6734@mac.com> Message-ID: on 3/5/05 15:31, Geraint Smith wrote: > Paul, I can vouch for the Piel Frama. I have their cases for my T3 and > Sony Ericsson 610. The latter is extremely easy to open fast, despite > the press stud closure. Can any of the flip cases mentioned so far have the cover bent back behind the Treo so that it is not in the way when talking on the phone or using it? Robyn From geraint.smith at mac.com Wed May 4 23:38:36 2005 From: geraint.smith at mac.com (Geraint Smith) Date: Wed May 4 14:38:55 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't know about the Treo, but for the 610, yes, the Piel Frama can, although you have to keep a finger on it to keep it there (otherwise it lies against your head - not a great problem but it looks a little strange). Geraint. On 4 May 2005, at 21:21, Robyn Phillips wrote: > on 3/5/05 15:31, Geraint Smith wrote: > >> Paul, I can vouch for the Piel Frama. I have their cases for my T3 and >> Sony Ericsson 610. The latter is extremely easy to open fast, despite >> the press stud closure. > > Can any of the flip cases mentioned so far have the cover bent back > behind > the Treo so that it is not in the way when talking on the phone or > using it? > > > Robyn > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can > be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From berkowit at silcom.com Wed May 4 18:02:33 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Wed May 4 17:02:36 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll let you know in a couple of days - I went and bought the Piel Frama. With the Sena, it "undoes" from the top and hangs down at the bottom, completely out of the way when using it (if a little in the way when attaching the cable). No bending necessary. One of the reasons I was tempted. Maybe some people would consider that odd. -- Paul Berkowitz > From: Geraint Smith > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:38:36 +0100 > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases > > Don't know about the Treo, but for the 610, yes, the Piel Frama can, > although you have to keep a finger on it to keep it there (otherwise it > lies against your head - not a great problem but it looks a little > strange). > > Geraint. > > > On 4 May 2005, at 21:21, Robyn Phillips wrote: > >> on 3/5/05 15:31, Geraint Smith wrote: >> >>> Paul, I can vouch for the Piel Frama. I have their cases for my T3 and >>> Sony Ericsson 610. The latter is extremely easy to open fast, despite >>> the press stud closure. >> >> Can any of the flip cases mentioned so far have the cover bent back >> behind >> the Treo so that it is not in the way when talking on the phone or >> using it? >> >> >> Robyn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com >> Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can >> be found at: >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From bobwilliams at knology.net Wed May 4 20:38:19 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Wed May 4 17:38:22 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Boom - NoSync RE:Missing Sync for Palm OS 4.0.5 beta 1 now available In-Reply-To: <7E13E522-6B29-45F1-B27D-95E395D07D31@markspace.com> Message-ID: OK I went ahead and installed this and now I cannot sync my T3 with my desktop Mac via USB. I was able to sync before under Tiger using 4.04 Any Ideas On 4/29/05 3:40 PM, "Scott Gruby" wrote: > Mark/Space, Inc. is pleased to announce The Missing Sync for Palm OS > 4.0.5 beta 1. This version is being made available to registered > users for testing various fixes. Please note that since this is a > beta version, it has not been fully tested. We recommend you backup > your data prior to installing. If you have issues with this version, > you may have to revert to the shipping version. > > > PLEASE NOTE: This beta version expires on May 29, 2005. > > The beta version can be downloaded from: testing/> > > version 4.0.5 b1 - April 2005 > ------------- > - Addressed issue where certain palmOne conduits were making calls to > the SyncManager when they weren't supposed to causing the UI to hang > - Hid .pkg extension and .rtf extensions for various files > - Addressed issue where sometimes Internet Sharing would not work > under Tiger > - Addressed issue where FirstClass conduits did not load > - Addressed issue where mounting and the iPhoto plugin would fail > under Tiger > > -- > Scott Gruby > Lead Engineer > Mark/Space, Inc. > > > Please visit for assistance with > Mark/Space products. > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From atmasphere at atmasphere.net Wed May 4 22:23:28 2005 From: atmasphere at atmasphere.net (Jonathan Greene) Date: Wed May 4 18:23:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1245DE23-706A-489C-BF27-8FC0B4931BEB@atmasphere.net> I have not been following this thread much but thought I'd chime in on an opposing point of view. For my Treo 600 I used a Vaja case and my T3 I used a Brando leather flip. For the Treo 650 though I've been going naked. It's just much easier to have fully unobstructed access to the keyboard and it's smaller in my pocket as well. I also recently removed the flexiskin from my ipod and enjoy that in the nude form in my hand. It's just a much better experience that way at least to me for both units. On May 4, 2005, at 8:02 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > I'll let you know in a couple of days - I went and bought the Piel > Frama. > > With the Sena, it "undoes" from the top and hangs down at the bottom, > completely out of the way when using it (if a little in the way when > attaching the cable). No bending necessary. One of the reasons I was > tempted. Maybe some people would consider that odd. > > -- > Paul Berkowitz > > > >> From: Geraint Smith >> Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" >> >> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:38:36 +0100 >> To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" >> >> Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases >> >> Don't know about the Treo, but for the 610, yes, the Piel Frama can, >> although you have to keep a finger on it to keep it there >> (otherwise it >> lies against your head - not a great problem but it looks a little >> strange). >> >> Geraint. >> >> >> On 4 May 2005, at 21:21, Robyn Phillips wrote: >> >> >>> on 3/5/05 15:31, Geraint Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Paul, I can vouch for the Piel Frama. I have their cases for my >>>> T3 and >>>> Sony Ericsson 610. The latter is extremely easy to open fast, >>>> despite >>>> the press stud closure. >>>> >>> >>> Can any of the flip cases mentioned so far have the cover bent back >>> behind >>> the Treo so that it is not in the way when talking on the phone or >>> using it? >>> >>> >>> Robyn >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list >>> missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com >>> Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can >>> be found at: >>> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com >> Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives >> can be found >> at: >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From sgruby at markspace.com Thu May 5 14:32:44 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Thu May 5 13:33:09 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync crashes and Tiger Message-ID: There have been a number of reports of crashing with Missing Sync for Palm OS (4.0.4 and 4.0.5b1) on Tiger. We review every report that is sent to us using the crash report form and have found that a number of customers are experiencing similar crashes. However, we have been unable to reproduce the issues (I personally have spent several hours just trying to crash Missing Sync under Tiger and have been unsuccessful). If you experience the issue and have not already contacted support, please do so in order for us to track it. In addition, if you have some time to assist us, I will make myself available via iChat with the screenname msengineer0. Please contact me immediately after you crash if the crash you see in the crash reporter starts with (the numbers may be different): Thread 0 Crashed: 0 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285922c _NSRemoveHandler2 496 1 com.apple.Foundation 0x92889b48 __NSFireMainThreadPerform 380 2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9077b388 __CFRunLoopPerformPerform 104 3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9074af0c __CFRunLoopDoSources0 384 4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9074a43c __CFRunLoopRun 452 5 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90749ebc CFRunLoopRunSpecific 268 I will need the full crash report, as much detail you can about your Mac systems including an Apple System profiler report, your console.log and a list of conduits you have enabled. I will ask you if you can reproduce the problem, does it happen with a specific conduit and probably a few other questions. If I am not available via iChat, please submit as much information as possible to support so that we can track this down. If you have any other crash that is causing you problems, please contact support. Right now, I am trying to solve this specific crash since it is affecting more than just a handful of customers. We appreciate your patience and assistance in trying to resolve this matter. Thanks. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From mail at wlinkw.com Fri May 6 12:04:50 2005 From: mail at wlinkw.com (W Yu) Date: Thu May 5 18:05:07 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync crashes and Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scott Gruby at sgruby@markspace.com wrote on 6/5/05 6:32 AM: > There have been a number of reports of crashing with Missing Sync for > Palm OS (4.0.4 and 4.0.5b1) on Tiger. We review every report that is > sent to us using the crash report form and have found that a number > of customers are experiencing similar crashes. However, we have been > unable to reproduce the issues (I personally have spent several hours > just trying to crash Missing Sync under Tiger and have been > unsuccessful). If you experience the issue and have not already > contacted support, please do so in order for us to track it. In > addition, if you have some time to assist us, I will make myself > available via iChat with the screenname msengineer0. Please contact > me immediately after you crash if the crash you see in the crash > reporter starts with (the numbers may be different) Not sure if I am seeing the same crash. But I am getting that old MissingSync crash out problem as before. It's one where one would initiate a sync through the Palm cradle button, MissingSync would boot up and then quickly crash out before any real syncing activities starts. A second attempt with the sync button typically would fix the problem. Alternatively, MissingSync would never respond to a hotsync call from the cradle, requiring a manual startup on the Mac side before it would link up with the hardware request. In the early 4.0.x cycle, I was bugged by this problem for quite some time until an update in the late beta cycle (yes, I went through every single beta update), miraculously the problem went away. With 4.0.5b1, the problem have miraculously reappeared. :( -- From bobwilliams at knology.net Thu May 5 21:04:59 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Thu May 5 18:05:08 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync crashes and Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scott - First MS ROCKS!!! Thanks for the customer care! Now to clarify, it is not a crash so much as it is a "hang" I press the HotSync button and nothing happens UNLESS I reboot then all is OK - if I do anything else HotSync does not work on my Tiger Machine Does this help? Cheers Bob On 5/5/05 3:32 PM, "Scott Gruby" wrote: > There have been a number of reports of crashing with Missing Sync for > Palm OS (4.0.4 and 4.0.5b1) on Tiger. We review every report that is > sent to us using the crash report form and have found that a number > of customers are experiencing similar crashes. However, we have been > unable to reproduce the issues (I personally have spent several hours > just trying to crash Missing Sync under Tiger and have been > unsuccessful). If you experience the issue and have not already > contacted support, please do so in order for us to track it. In > addition, if you have some time to assist us, I will make myself > available via iChat with the screenname msengineer0. Please contact > me immediately after you crash if the crash you see in the crash > reporter starts with (the numbers may be different): > > > Thread 0 Crashed: > 0 com.apple.Foundation 0x9285922c _NSRemoveHandler2 > 496 > 1 com.apple.Foundation 0x92889b48 > __NSFireMainThreadPerform 380 > 2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9077b388 > __CFRunLoopPerformPerform 104 > 3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9074af0c > __CFRunLoopDoSources0 384 > 4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9074a43c __CFRunLoopRun 452 > 5 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90749ebc > CFRunLoopRunSpecific 268 > > I will need the full crash report, as much detail you can about your > Mac systems including an Apple System profiler report, your > console.log and a list of conduits you have enabled. I will ask you > if you can reproduce the problem, does it happen with a specific > conduit and probably a few other questions. If I am not available via > iChat, please submit as much information as possible to support so > that we can track this down. > > If you have any other crash that is causing you problems, please > contact support. Right now, I am trying to solve this specific crash > since it is affecting more than just a handful of customers. > > We appreciate your patience and assistance in trying to resolve this > matter. > > Thanks. > > > -- > Scott Gruby > Lead Engineer > Mark/Space, Inc. > > > Please visit for assistance with > Mark/Space products. > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From sgruby at markspace.com Thu May 5 19:23:33 2005 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Thu May 5 18:23:36 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync crashes and Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D7FAB0A-D1E0-476A-B78A-15403AFC56D5@markspace.com> On May 5, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Robert Williams wrote: > Scott - > > First MS ROCKS!!! > Thanks for the customer care! > > Now to clarify, it is not a crash so much as it is a "hang" I press > the > HotSync button and nothing happens UNLESS I reboot then all is OK - > if I do > anything else HotSync does not work on my Tiger Machine > > Does this help? > > Cheers > > That's not the issue I'm focusing on at the moment. However, please contact support to get your issue logged. Please provide as much information as possible to support so that they can reproduce the issue. If we can't reproduce an issue, we can't fix it and this is the first I've heard of this type of issue. Items to include: 1) Sync Log 2) Apple System Profiler report 3) Missing Sync debug log (hold down command and option keys while pulling down Missing Sync for Palm OS menu) and turn on debug log and then sync. Log is at: ~/Library/Logs/ 4) What other applications you are running (even those that aren't in the dock, like Default Folder, Snapz Pro, etc.) 5) What conduits you are running 6) Does the issue happen with one particular conduit 7) Are you using a USB hub? (Try plugging right into the computer; many cheap USB hubs are flaky and newer Mac OS versions seem to care more.) 8) Did you do an upgrade install, clean install, or archive and install of Tiger? 9) Did it work fine prior to installing Tiger? Thanks. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. Please visit for assistance with Mark/Space products. From bobwilliams at knology.net Fri May 6 03:32:06 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Fri May 6 00:32:12 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync crashes and Tiger In-Reply-To: <3D7FAB0A-D1E0-476A-B78A-15403AFC56D5@markspace.com> Message-ID: Scott, Done that - sent in the logs and the crash reporter. To also clarify, 2 days ago I saw the "quickie" crash you (and W Yu) may be talking about - quick launch of sync followed by a quick crash. Problem is I am getting nothing to report I see MS launch, crash, then I reboot and life is OK. Worse, the problems I complained about (and reported to engineering with the crash log) about not being able to sync is now gone - and WORSE is I do not know why. It seems that, after rebooting last night - with no other variables changed - MS now syncs again with Tiger - apparently every time. I will continue to stress my T3 and try to duplicate a situation where the software fails, but as of now, it seems that everything is working as advertised. This is frustrating (and no doubt twice so for you!) Robert On 5/5/05 8:23 PM, "Scott Gruby" wrote: > > On May 5, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Robert Williams wrote: > >> Scott - >> >> First MS ROCKS!!! >> Thanks for the customer care! >> >> Now to clarify, it is not a crash so much as it is a "hang" I press >> the >> HotSync button and nothing happens UNLESS I reboot then all is OK - >> if I do >> anything else HotSync does not work on my Tiger Machine >> >> Does this help? >> >> Cheers >> > > >> > > > That's not the issue I'm focusing on at the moment. However, please > contact support to get your issue logged. Please provide as much > information as possible to support so that they can reproduce the > issue. If we can't reproduce an issue, we can't fix it and this is > the first I've heard of this type of issue. Items to include: > > 1) Sync Log > 2) Apple System Profiler report > 3) Missing Sync debug log (hold down command and option keys while > pulling down Missing Sync for Palm OS menu) and turn on debug log and > then sync. Log is at: ~/Library/Logs/ > 4) What other applications you are running (even those that aren't in > the dock, like Default Folder, Snapz Pro, etc.) > 5) What conduits you are running > 6) Does the issue happen with one particular conduit > 7) Are you using a USB hub? (Try plugging right into the computer; > many cheap USB hubs are flaky and newer Mac OS versions seem to care > more.) > 8) Did you do an upgrade install, clean install, or archive and > install of Tiger? > 9) Did it work fine prior to installing Tiger? > > Thanks. > > -- > Scott Gruby > Lead Engineer > Mark/Space, Inc. > > > Please visit for assistance with > Mark/Space products. > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From mail at wlinkw.com Fri May 6 20:25:11 2005 From: mail at wlinkw.com (W Yu) Date: Fri May 6 02:25:21 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Missing Sync crashes and Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Robert Williams at bobwilliams@knology.net wrote on 6/5/05 5:32 PM: > To also clarify, 2 days ago I saw the "quickie" crash you (and W Yu) may be > talking about - quick launch of sync followed by a quick crash. > > Problem is I am getting nothing to report I see MS launch, crash, then I > reboot and life is OK. Yes, this has been a consistent feature of that "crash". MS startup and then quickly crashes out. There's no pop up window, there's no crash log entry. It's almost impossible to get anyone to believe the problem actually exists. -- From robynphillips at email.com Sun May 1 09:16:49 2005 From: robynphillips at email.com (Robyn Phillips) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Sync quits In-Reply-To: <200504301714.j3UHE0J4013137@relay3.apple.com> Message-ID: on 1/5/05 3:14, Bill Henry wrote: > I'm getting the similar scenario of quits with yhe beta and 4.04 but I'm not > getting any sort of crash log - trying to narrow down the conduits. > > --- Original Message --- > From: Pat Dengler > Sent: Sat 4/30/2005 9:39 am > > The following is the log from Missing Sync after the sync quits. I > get a message on the palm saying connection was lost. > Mac OS X.4 (Tiger), Treo 650, latest Missing Sync beta released > yesterday. > > The status box goes away on the powerbook but in the dock, the MS > icon shows a 3/4 status. I have to click on it twice for the > application to open. > I am reluctant to say this - but me too! I am using version 4.0.4 (59) with Tiger and I have having lots of quits, one rather large crash and syncing problems as well. The quitting situation is along the lines of go in and change a conduit or turn a conduit off and Missing Sync will just close. It can also take several attempts to open the application. I also had a problem last night where I put a new contact onto my Treo, and a different new one on the desktop and when I synced, neither of these would transfer across to the other device, even though the Contacts conduit was set to synchronise and the log reports 'OK Contacts'. I have also seen Missing Sync quit during a sync (and my Treo 650 takes ages to work out what has happened and clean up). I also had a large crash in the middle of a sync where I ended up being asked to send in an error report (something about kernel protection failure). From my logs (see below) it appears to have been Conduit Manager that crashed. I have also noticed this weird message in my console log (it seems to be associated with when I sync): 2005-04-30 22:57:16.984 Missing Sync for Palm OS[1524] *** Assertion failure in -[NSTextFieldCell _objectValue:forString:errorDescription:], AppKit.subproj/NSCell.m:1298 And in my system log, I found this information associated with my syncing attempts and the big crash: Apr 30 20:35:35 Robyns-PowerBook kernel[0]: AFP_VFS afpfs_mount: /Volumes/james, pid 1320 Apr 30 20:40:35 Robyns-PowerBook kernel[0]: AFP_VFS afpfs_unmount: /Volumes/james, flags 0, pid 1325 Apr 30 21:16:34 Robyns-PowerBook crashdump[1396]: Conduit Manager crashed Apr 30 21:16:37 Robyns-PowerBook crashdump[1396]: crash report written to: /Users/robyn/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/Conduit Manager.crash.log Apr 30 21:22:15 Robyns-PowerBook /Users/robyn/Desktop/To Be Deleted/Palm Backup/Palm/HotSync Manager/Contents/MacOSClassic/HotSync Manager: launch failed with error code -2804 (cfragNoLibraryErr) for application -psn_0_16908289 Apr 30 21:42:34 Robyns-PowerBook kernel[0]: USBF: 55551.660 AppleUSBOHCI[0x36bd800]::Found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 27, timing out! Apr 30 21:42:34 Robyns-PowerBook kernel[0]: USBF: 55551.661 AppleUSBOHCI[0x36bd800]::DoIOTransfer - error 0xe0004051 queueing request I thought it was because I have been playing around with iSync. I thought syncing my contacts to Apple's Address Book with iSync would be a good idea, but I have been having too many issues with the data not syncing properly (and I need categories) that I have decided to go back to using only Palm Desktop for contacts. Reading these emails has led me to think that it may not be only peculiar to my circumstances. Robyn From berkowit at silcom.com Sun May 1 00:19:32 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Rogue Applications Synched In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks. I'll try that too. But it's academic at the moment - the Treo went dead today and could not be resuscitated. I'm having to send it back and they're sending a replacement. I'll try syncing next time around without Backup. I'll be interested to see if it makes its own Graffiti Shortcuts.prc in the new Backup folder. -- Paul Berkowitz > From: Chris Duke > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:55:27 -0700 > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Rogue Applications Synched > > If you enable graffiti with "Graffiti Anywhere" you can make the > graffiti strokes anywhere on the Treo screen. I have it set up so > that it only recognizes the strokes if I hold in the side button, so > it's not obtrusive. It's convenient to have the option, which I only > use if I have a lot of text to enter. > > Chris > > > On Apr 29, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > >> That's correct - I'm using the 5-way button for almost everything. >> But when >> not, there's nowhere to enter Graffiti anyway - you use the miniature >> keyboard. I'm very impressed with it (although it IS tiny, even for my >> hands). Someone has really thought through how people think: the >> Option >> characters are all paired with the correct "normal" characters, and >> the >> extra Alt characters even more so. You find them just where you'd >> expect to >> - sometimes in more than one such place. And you really just do >> need one >> hand. >> >> Good to know that I shouldn't go through contortions to try to get >> rid of >> the Graffiti library though - thanks Chris. It's not doing any harm >> - I'll >> just leave it be. Once I deleted the apps I didn't need, there's no >> more >> errors and soft resets (crashes) happening. >> >> -- >> Paul Berkowitz >> >> >> >>> From: Robert Williams >>> Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" >>> >>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:03:24 -0500 >>> To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Rogue Applications >>> Synched >>> >>> I have heard folks say that they do not even need graffiti on the >>> TREO >>> because the 5-way button is so well implemented. >>> >>> I know it is somewhat OT, but I would like to hear opinions on >>> Graffiti and >>> the various graffiti replacement programs out there. >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On 4/29/05 12:28 PM, "Chris Duke" wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You can't get rid of graffiti, since it's on Treo 650's by default. >>>> Just not enabled. it can be enabled by installing "Graffiti >>>> anywhere". >>>> chris >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list >>> missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com >>> Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives >>> can be found >>> at: >>> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com >> Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives >> can be found at: >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From berkowit at silcom.com Sun May 1 00:27:35 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage Message-ID: Several of you have said here you're waiting on the Treo 650 until Verizon carries it because Verizon's coverage is better. You mean nationally, or in your neck of the woods? And how do you come by that knowledge? - all the website maps are pretty small-scale. Cingular seems excellent in California, where I live and drive. And of course they cover all major cities and population centers, where I'll fly. I don't particularly care about the back roads of distant states. I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, not GSM. The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and was what they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? -- Paul Berkowitz From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sun May 1 15:32:48 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:27 PM -0700 2005-04-30, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, not GSM. > The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and was what > they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the > competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? Technology-wise, CDMA has a number of advantages. For carriers, if you use CDMA you can cram in more calls in a given set of signal bandwidth than you could if you were to use TDMA or GSM (GSM being similar to TDMA at this level within the technology). GSM is obviously more widely used in the world, whereas the only major markets using CDMA are the US and Korea (and the US also uses GSM, albeit on different frequency bands than elsewhere in the world). GSM also allows you to do things like three-way calling, whereas CDMA has problems in this area (the CDMA Treos can't do three-way calling whereas the GSM Treos can, and this is due to the underlying technology). In terms of what the technology is capable of providing today to the typical end-user, there's not that much difference between them. Most of the differences are behind-the-scenes and are primarily visible to the carriers. Note that the new "3G" communications systems are all based on CDMA, whether you're talking about CDMA2000 or UMTS, and the work to develop these technologies came from all the different players in the market, including many companies that today work exclusively or primarily with GSM. In the not-too-distant future, all mobile phones used world-wide will be using some form of CDMA. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Sun May 1 16:03:13 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:32 PM +0200 2005-05-01, Brad Knowles wrote: > Technology-wise, CDMA has a number of advantages. For carriers, if > you use CDMA you can cram in more calls in a given set of signal > bandwidth than you could if you were to use TDMA or GSM (GSM being > similar to TDMA at this level within the technology). A little bit of Googling for "CDMA vs. GSM" has turned up a couple of good pages at and . -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From berkowit at silcom.com Sun May 1 08:26:21 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/1/05 6:03 AM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > > A little bit of Googling for "CDMA vs. GSM" has turned up a > couple of good pages at > and . Thank you. The first one in particular is very helpful. -- Paul Berkowitz From Dave at Hall.net Sun May 1 08:30:16 2005 From: Dave at Hall.net (David Hall) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tiger and Missing Sync Message-ID: I know that the website says that Missing Sync 4.04 works with Tiger, but my syncs have ended with an error message saying it couldn't be completed. Any thoughts? David Hall (602) 501-9610 From csduke at hummosa.com Sun May 1 17:15:29 2005 From: csduke at hummosa.com (Chris Duke) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDA5204-0780-4703-B401-F740564F76CE@hummosa.com> It's probably mentioned in earlier posts, but CDMA is NOT what they have in Europe. This was the killer issue for me. I can take my unlocked GSM treo to Europe and use it anywhere. Either I leave in the ATT chip and pay 99c per min per call, or buy a local pay-as-you go chip for when I make many local calls. Works incredibly well. by-the-way, my Treo is syncing fine over bluetooth with Tiger. I installed the MS 1.0.5b release, and had to remove the "501" isync file (to cure an Isync hang). The hang was so bad I couldn't even force quit isync. Chris On Apr 30, 2005, at 11:27 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > Several of you have said here you're waiting on the Treo 650 until > Verizon > carries it because Verizon's coverage is better. You mean > nationally, or in > your neck of the woods? And how do you come by that knowledge? - > all the > website maps are pretty small-scale. > > Cingular seems excellent in California, where I live and drive. And of > course they cover all major cities and population centers, where > I'll fly. I > don't particularly care about the back roads of distant states. > > I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, > not GSM. > The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and > was what > they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the > competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? > > -- > Paul Berkowitz > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > > From bobwilliams at knology.net Mon May 2 04:28:18 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree Eric - and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All it will take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the wait worth it! I WAS hoping that it was going to be released last week though - sure hope the wait is not going to be like the long period of time after they "Announced" the 600 though. . . On 4/29/05 5:15 PM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > On 4/29/05 1:52 PM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > >>> Congratulations Paul!! I briefly used a 650 with Cingular but the service >>> coverage was just not what Verizon's is so I returned it and I am now >>> waiting for Verizon to come out with the 650. >> >> You can always buy an unlocked 650 and use it with Verizon. I >> came very close to buying an unlocked 650 from a US source and having >> it shipped to me over here in Belgium, but there was a minor hiccup >> at the last moment with the credit card so I cancelled that order. I >> ended up buying one here locally about a couple of weeks later. > > Verizon employs a CDMA network, so it is not possible to buy the unlocked > GSM Treo to use on Verizon's network. > > It is theoretically possible to buy a Sprint CDMA Treo and painfully hack it > to work on Verizon's network, but Verizon is only days away from releasing > the Treo 650 with full support, so why bother. > > I. too, eagerly await Verizon's Treo 650 launch. > > Eric From berkowit at silcom.com Mon May 2 02:41:37 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: None of you has yet said why you think Verizon's coverage is better than Cingular's. Where does this information come from, and how localized is it to your own particular area? -- Paul Berkowitz > From: Robert Williams > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 03:28:18 -0500 > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] > > > I agree Eric - and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is > worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All it will > take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the wait > worth it! > > I WAS hoping that it was going to be released last week though - sure hope > the wait is not going to be like the long period of time after they > "Announced" the 600 though. . . > > > On 4/29/05 5:15 PM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > >> On 4/29/05 1:52 PM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: >> >>>> Congratulations Paul!! I briefly used a 650 with Cingular but the service >>>> coverage was just not what Verizon's is so I returned it and I am now >>>> waiting for Verizon to come out with the 650. >>> >>> You can always buy an unlocked 650 and use it with Verizon. I >>> came very close to buying an unlocked 650 from a US source and having >>> it shipped to me over here in Belgium, but there was a minor hiccup >>> at the last moment with the credit card so I cancelled that order. I >>> ended up buying one here locally about a couple of weeks later. >> >> Verizon employs a CDMA network, so it is not possible to buy the unlocked >> GSM Treo to use on Verizon's network. >> >> It is theoretically possible to buy a Sprint CDMA Treo and painfully hack it >> to work on Verizon's network, but Verizon is only days away from releasing >> the Treo 650 with full support, so why bother. >> >> I. too, eagerly await Verizon's Treo 650 launch. >> >> Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From bobwilliams at knology.net Mon May 2 04:42:34 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul, When I lived in New Mexico, Verizon was the only carrier that would let you get off the interstate and still get a signal (even then, Verizon was always more robust and reliable) I enjoyed the same coverage when we moved to Alabama - except a lack of coverage when we were in Talladega (we were there for a Nextel-sponsored NASCAR race and everyone who was not on Nextel was having problems so I am a bit suspicious about that data point! :-) When we switched to Cingular briefly this year, I went to the same places I went with my 2 year old Verizon phone and had problems making calls. Even in my office, where I always had 4 bars with my Verizon I could not get a signal with Cingular. And don't even get me started about the RFI a GSM phone puts out. . . HOW annoying! I could always tell when I was getting a incoming call because I would hear static and white noise on my car radio just before the phone rang (I was told by Cingular tech support that this was just the nature of the GSM beast). I traveled with the Cingular for 2 weeks and can categorically state that coverage with Verizon was vastly superior to what I received with Cingular (same locations, different times but different services and Verizon was always bulletproof & Cingular would simply drop calls in major metropolitan areas [while driving] - I assume this was an artifact of passing from one cell tower to another. So there you have it Paul - my story of Cingular. HTH Bob On 5/1/05 1:27 AM, "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: > Several of you have said here you're waiting on the Treo 650 until Verizon > carries it because Verizon's coverage is better. You mean nationally, or in > your neck of the woods? And how do you come by that knowledge? - all the > website maps are pretty small-scale. > > Cingular seems excellent in California, where I live and drive. And of > course they cover all major cities and population centers, where I'll fly. I > don't particularly care about the back roads of distant states. > > I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, not GSM. > The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and was what > they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the > competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? From berkowit at silcom.com Mon May 2 03:01:39 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Bob. I probably don't travel as much as you. I've never had any problem in California. That was using AT&T, but my phone virtually always showed "D" for Digital (as opposed to the really old Analog network also available where Digital wasn't) and that might be the same shared network as the Cingular GSM, or more likely not. Anyway, I never lost signal in my limited usage. I guess I'll find out first hand in the months to come. (As it happens, Verizon is the local phone company in my city/county, but not in much more of California, though. No connection to wireless, of course.) -- Paul Berkowitz > From: Robert Williams > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 03:42:34 -0500 > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/Palm OS) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage > > Paul, > > When I lived in New Mexico, Verizon was the only carrier that would let you > get off the interstate and still get a signal (even then, Verizon was always > more robust and reliable) > > I enjoyed the same coverage when we moved to Alabama - except a lack of > coverage when we were in Talladega (we were there for a Nextel-sponsored > NASCAR race and everyone who was not on Nextel was having problems so I am a > bit suspicious about that data point! :-) > > When we switched to Cingular briefly this year, I went to the same places I > went with my 2 year old Verizon phone and had problems making calls. Even in > my office, where I always had 4 bars with my Verizon I could not get a > signal with Cingular. > > And don't even get me started about the RFI a GSM phone puts out. . . HOW > annoying! I could always tell when I was getting a incoming call because I > would hear static and white noise on my car radio just before the phone rang > (I was told by Cingular tech support that this was just the nature of the > GSM beast). > > I traveled with the Cingular for 2 weeks and can categorically state that > coverage with Verizon was vastly superior to what I received with Cingular > (same locations, different times but different services and Verizon was > always bulletproof & Cingular would simply drop calls in major metropolitan > areas [while driving] - I assume this was an artifact of passing from one > cell tower to another. > > So there you have it Paul - my story of Cingular. > > HTH > > Bob > > > On 5/1/05 1:27 AM, "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: > >> Several of you have said here you're waiting on the Treo 650 until Verizon >> carries it because Verizon's coverage is better. You mean nationally, or in >> your neck of the woods? And how do you come by that knowledge? - all the >> website maps are pretty small-scale. >> >> Cingular seems excellent in California, where I live and drive. And of >> course they cover all major cities and population centers, where I'll fly. I >> don't particularly care about the back roads of distant states. >> >> I did note that someone said that Verizon has a CDMA (?) network, not GSM. >> The Cingular salesman on the phone did say that CDMA was better and was what >> they have "in Europe". Not surprisingly he did not mention that the >> competition here also has it. What's the scale of the difference? > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From eullman at markspace.com Mon May 2 09:04:51 2005 From: eullman at markspace.com (Eric Ullman) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: Coverage Experiences (Was: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can only speak from personal experience, having had Cingular, Sprint and Verizon. Cingular has excellent coverage in my local area (SF Bay Area), since they were once PacTel Cellular (local phone company before SBC). However, their coverage on the East Coast and in parts of the Midwest left a lot to be desired. I used to travel a great deal, all over the country, and I got tired of roaming. This is probably somewhat better now that they have merged with AT&T. I understand that T-Mobile piggybacks on Cingular's network in the Western US. Sprint had outstanding coverage on the East Coast, but It wasn't as good in my home area. The fact that Sprint was CDMA also forced me to rent a phone when I traveled to Europe and the UK. Expensive! I do not get Sprint coverage at home, or rather, I get just enough of a signal to prevent phones from going into low power mode, but not to complete a call reliably. With Verizon, I have experienced excellent coverage where my travels have taken me. I still don't have the international flexibility of a GSM phone, but I can't fault the US coverage that Verizon offers. Your mileage may vary. Eric -- Eric Ullman Director of Sales and Marketing Mark/Space, Inc. eullman@markspace.com On 5/2/05 1:41 AM, "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: > None of you has yet said why you think Verizon's coverage is better than > Cingular's. Where does this information come from, and how localized is it > to your own particular area? From berkowit at silcom.com Mon May 2 09:33:33 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: Coverage Experiences (Was: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/2/05 8:04 AM, "Eric Ullman" wrote: > With Verizon, I have experienced excellent coverage where my travels have > taken me. I still don't have the international flexibility of a GSM phone, > but I can't fault the US coverage that Verizon offers. > > Your mileage may vary. Thanks, Eric. I think you may find that your comment about Cingular: "This is probably somewhat better now that they have merged with AT&T." may prove to be something of an understatement, and put previous evaluations out of date. I was with AT&T (on a Nokia) for many years, and in my more restricted travels-with-phone, pretty well confined to the West Coast, the AT&T coverage alone was pretty good. Anyway, time will tell. I'm giving it a go. -- Paul Berkowitz From jerryw at jwdezign.com Mon May 2 12:04:04 2005 From: jerryw at jwdezign.com (Jerry Walter) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Mounting an expansion card Palm 5/Mac OS X.2 Message-ID: <3018ADE9-BB2C-11D9-AB97-003065C426F4@jwdezign.com> Hello- For some reason I cannot get my expansion card to mount on my Mac desktop. I have tried everything I know and can find. I've reformatted the card, I have checked and unchecked settings in the Finder general preferences (other disks mount fine), I have checked the proxy settings in Network Preferences, nothing seems to work. I am using a Palm T3 w/ Palm OS 5 and a Mac running OS 10.2.8. Actually, the only thing I can get MS to do is sync w/ Avantgo, addresses and calendar. No mail, no expansion card or anything else MS supposedly does. Pretty frustrating. Jerry Walter From berkowit at silcom.com Mon May 2 15:54:15 2005 From: berkowit at silcom.com (Paul Berkowitz) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/2/05 1:28 AM, "Robert Williams" wrote: > and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is > worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All it will > take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the wait > worth it! This is _way_ OT so I'm prepared to be told it's too OT for this list. I'm coming up against one of the liabilities of having everything in one device (the Treo 650). As a phone, you want to be able to answer it quickly with a minimum of fussing about opening cover clasps, etc. On the other hand, it's a pretty valuable item that probably should be protected by a good case, in case you do drop it. Most cases are either "open face" - which affords no protection to the front - or are latched at the bottom and have to be unlatched, then "unwrapped". I first was going to get one of palmOne's own "Formfit" cases. But it's open face - is it even worth it? It's basically to have a way of attaching it to a belt. I prefer to put it in my pocket. I'm rather enjoying having no case at all, but I'm sure it will get scratched and maybe damaged in time. (I do have a thin film over the screen.) There are a number of classy - and expensive - cases around. One of the nicest is the Piel Frama - you can get it at the palmOne Treo store or more models at . ($60 or 60 euros). But it does have the "unwrapping" issue like the rest of them. Then there's the world's-most-expensive-case from Vaja - the T66 must give the best protection (rock-hard leather) but looks even more awkward to open and costs more than a Zire ($130). The PA31 ($77) would be an alternative to the Piel Frama. One of the most interesting options is the Sena It is a flip-down (magnet close) from the top, so would be by far the quickest to get open if the phone rings. Almost as quick as no case at all. Of course it might also flip open if you dropped it. Still, it looks like it might be the best bet. It's also very reasonable ($44), relatively for these high-end cases. There's a good round-up of reviews here: . As I say, I'm tempted to go with no case at all, but it has its risks... Any thoughts? -- Paul Berkowitz From pdengler at gmail.com Mon May 2 16:32:41 2005 From: pdengler at gmail.com (Pat Dengler) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love the nutshell: www.nutshell.cc On May 2, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 5/2/05 1:28 AM, "Robert Williams" wrote: > > >> and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is >> worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - >> All it will >> take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make >> the wait >> worth it! >> > > This is _way_ OT so I'm prepared to be told it's too OT for this list. > > I'm coming up against one of the liabilities of having everything > in one > device (the Treo 650). As a phone, you want to be able to answer it > quickly > with a minimum of fussing about opening cover clasps, etc. On the > other > hand, it's a pretty valuable item that probably should be protected > by a > good case, in case you do drop it. > > Most cases are either "open face" - which affords no protection to > the front > - or are latched at the bottom and have to be unlatched, then > "unwrapped". I > first was going to get one of palmOne's own "Formfit" cases. But > it's open > face - is it even worth it? It's basically to have a way of > attaching it to > a belt. I prefer to put it in my pocket. I'm rather enjoying having > no case > at all, but I'm sure it will get scratched and maybe damaged in > time. (I do > have a thin film over the screen.) > > There are a number of classy - and expensive - cases around. One of > the > nicest is the Piel Frama - you can get it at the palmOne Treo store > or more > models at . ($60 or 60 > euros). > But it does have the "unwrapping" issue like the rest of them. Then > there's > the world's-most-expensive-case from Vaja > - the T66 must give the best > protection (rock-hard leather) but looks even more awkward to open > and costs > more than a Zire ($130). The PA31 ($77) would be an alternative to > the Piel > Frama. One of the most interesting options is the Sena > p-1-c-32 > 0.html> It is a flip-down (magnet close) from the top, so would be > by far > the quickest to get open if the phone rings. Almost as quick as no > case at > all. Of course it might also flip open if you dropped it. Still, it > looks > like it might be the best bet. It's also very reasonable ($44), > relatively > for these high-end cases. > > There's a good round-up of reviews here: > . > > As I say, I'm tempted to go with no case at all, but it has its > risks... Any > thoughts? > > > -- > Paul Berkowitz > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives > can be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From bobwilliams at knology.net Mon May 2 20:00:07 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul, This is my solution (I used it on my TREO 650 for @ a week and loved it, & I will promptly re-install it on my TREO from VeriZon): I bought a lateral pouch belt clip leather case. This case allows you to put the TREO in horizontally & lift it out of the case using the stub antenna - VERY handy and easy to get to. However...there is always that chance that as it comes out, it slips out of the ol' butterfingers. On to solution #2 I bought a silicon "glove" that fits over the TREO like skin. The screen & keyboard remains open but there is enough 'padding' (I believe) to protect the device from a drop. I also got some screen protectors (actually they were a freebie promotion but I think I will continue using them - keeps screen scratches to a minimum! I got all all this stuff from the treocentral store at a much better price than I found anywhere else - the silicon case was $19.95 (others are as much as $35) and the lateral pouch case was $19.95 as well. The screen protectors are off special now and cost $16.00 for a 3 pack. I went this paranoid route Paul because Cingular did not offer ANY type of cellular insurance and I wanted to protect my investment as much as possible. In retrospect, I would probably only opt for the leather side case what with Verizon's great insurance policy. HTH Bob On 5/2/05 4:54 PM, "Paul Berkowitz" wrote: > On 5/2/05 1:28 AM, "Robert Williams" wrote: > >> and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is >> worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All it will >> take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the wait >> worth it! > > This is _way_ OT so I'm prepared to be told it's too OT for this list. > > I'm coming up against one of the liabilities of having everything in one > device (the Treo 650). As a phone, you want to be able to answer it quickly > with a minimum of fussing about opening cover clasps, etc. On the other > hand, it's a pretty valuable item that probably should be protected by a > good case, in case you do drop it. > > Most cases are either "open face" - which affords no protection to the front > - or are latched at the bottom and have to be unlatched, then "unwrapped". I > first was going to get one of palmOne's own "Formfit" cases. But it's open > face - is it even worth it? It's basically to have a way of attaching it to > a belt. I prefer to put it in my pocket. I'm rather enjoying having no case > at all, but I'm sure it will get scratched and maybe damaged in time. (I do > have a thin film over the screen.) > > There are a number of classy - and expensive - cases around. One of the > nicest is the Piel Frama - you can get it at the palmOne Treo store or more > models at . ($60 or 60 euros). > But it does have the "unwrapping" issue like the rest of them. Then there's > the world's-most-expensive-case from Vaja > - the T66 must give the best > protection (rock-hard leather) but looks even more awkward to open and costs > more than a Zire ($130). The PA31 ($77) would be an alternative to the Piel > Frama. One of the most interesting options is the Sena > 0.html> It is a flip-down (magnet close) from the top, so would be by far > the quickest to get open if the phone rings. Almost as quick as no case at > all. Of course it might also flip open if you dropped it. Still, it looks > like it might be the best bet. It's also very reasonable ($44), relatively > for these high-end cases. > > There's a good round-up of reviews here: > . > > As I say, I'm tempted to go with no case at all, but it has its risks... Any > thoughts? > From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue May 3 02:16:58 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Coverage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:42 AM -0500 2005-05-02, Robert Williams wrote: > And don't even get me started about the RFI a GSM phone puts out. . . HOW > annoying! I could always tell when I was getting a incoming call because I > would hear static and white noise on my car radio just before the phone rang > (I was told by Cingular tech support that this was just the nature of the > GSM beast). That is certainly true. Any time my wife is calling me on the phone and I'm near my computer, I can pick up the phone several seconds before it rings, because I can hear the interference through the speakers -- even when I've got the volume turned all the way down. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Tue May 3 02:27:03 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:54 PM -0700 2005-05-02, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > There's a good round-up of reviews here: > . For myself, I'm going the maximum protection route -- an aluminum case, such as frequently provided by Proporta, inside of a a side-carry case with a velcro flap. It might take longer to get out, but having dropped mine and luckily came out okay, I'm not going to take any further chances. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From bobwilliams at knology.net Mon May 2 20:46:55 2005 From: bobwilliams at knology.net (Robert Williams) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep - that is my solution as well when I am out Hiking and Geocaching Brad. I use the leather side holster as my business attire :-) (and the aluminum cases are really easy to manipulate as well - just very clunky when you are in office clothes - yes, I am unfortunately now a member of the shirt & tie set. . .) On 5/2/05 6:27 PM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > At 2:54 PM -0700 2005-05-02, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > >> There's a good round-up of reviews here: >> . > > For myself, I'm going the maximum protection route -- an aluminum > case, such as frequently provided by Proporta, inside of a a > side-carry case with a velcro flap. It might take longer to get out, > but having dropped mine and luckily came out okay, I'm not going to > take any further chances. From martin.muntenbruch at gmx.de Mon May 2 18:54:49 2005 From: martin.muntenbruch at gmx.de (Martin Muntenbruch) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Paul, > quickest to get open if the phone rings Here's a thought: don't even touch your phone. Grab the Bluespoon (10 gramms) and click. You're online and can talk :-) http://www.blue-spoon.com/index.asp?sideid=108&top=bs Martin From geraint.smith at mac.com Tue May 3 07:31:43 2005 From: geraint.smith at mac.com (Geraint Smith) Date: Fri May 6 12:03:27 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] [OT] Cases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e208a1fe3e8d7c6ee7cbe65041b6734@mac.com> Paul, I can vouch for the Piel Frama. I have their cases for my T3 and Sony Ericsson 610. The latter is extremely easy to open fast, despite the press stud closure. They are both tight-fitting and slim, and, if you carry them on your belt, surprisingly quick to detach for use as well. The only disadvantages to this are that the plastic belt clips are not desperately strong (get into a car with them on in the wrong place and you'll be back to Piel Frama for more) and that if you have more than one you end up looking like a paratrooper. Otherwise, they are excellent, and very smart. And although I haven't yet dropped the T3 from any great height onto anything really hard, the 610 has survived several such adventures. Regards, Geraint Smith. On 2 May 2005, at 22:54, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 5/2/05 1:28 AM, "Robert Williams" wrote: > >> and Verizon's rather bulletproof cell phone insurance is >> worth the wait anyway - it really IS the best in the business - All >> it will >> take is one OOPS & dropping the 650 onto a hard surface to make the >> wait >> worth it! > > This is _way_ OT so I'm prepared to be told it's too OT for this list. > > I'm coming up against one of the liabilities of having everything in > one > device (the Treo 650). As a phone, you want to be able to answer it > quickly > with a minimum of fussing about opening cover clasps, etc. On the other > hand, it's a pretty valuable item that probably should be protected by > a > good case, in case you do drop it. > > Most cases are either "open face" - which affords no protection to the > front > - or are latched at the bottom and have to be unlatched, then > "unwrapped". I > first was going to get one of palmOne's own "Formfit" cases. But it's > open > face - is it even worth it? It's basically to have a way of attaching > it to > a belt. I prefer to put it in my pocket. I'm rather enjoying having no > case > at all, but I'm sure it will get scratched and maybe damaged in time. > (I do > have a thin film over the screen.) > > There are a number of classy - and expensive - cases around. One of the > nicest is the Piel Frama - you can get it at the palmOne Treo store or > more > models at . ($60 or 60 > euros). > But it does have the "unwrapping" issue like the rest of them. Then > there's > the world's-most-expensive-case from Vaja > - the T66 must give the best > protection (rock-hard leather) but looks even more awkward to open and > costs > more than a Zire ($130). The PA31 ($77) would be an alternative to the > Piel > Frama. One of the most interesting options is the Sena > -1-c-32 > 0.html> It is a flip-down (magnet close) from the top, so would be by > far > the quickest to get open if the phone rings. Almost as quick as no > case at > all. Of course it might also flip open if you dropped it. Still, it > looks > like it might be the best bet. It's also very reasonable ($44), > relatively > for these high-end cases. > > There's a good round-up of reviews here: >