[missing-sync-palmos-talk] Lost ability to iSync on Treo 650 and
Tiger
Warren Young
wyoung at neurome.com
Tue Jun 7 13:58:40 PDT 2005
Robert,
Thanks for the additional information. But, aside from backing up my
Treo with Wireless Sync to Verizon's servers, will it let me have any
syncing capabilities from Verizon to Macs? Unless I missed
something, I don't think so. So the value is as you state - the
ability to hard reset on the road and restore from Verizon. That is
indeed good! But if the center of the universe for me are Mac
applications - AddressBook, iCal, iSync - it doesn't add value.
It is pretty frustrating. I got my Treo a week ago, and have had
random success with getting it to sync via iSync. I'm aware of the
various caveats this forum and others have indicated - DTG conflicts,
etc. But there is just something very wrong with iSync in Tiger.
I've not used it in Panther and its older version. At that time, I
was using Tungsten C with Now-Up-To-Date, and before that Palm
Desktop. They have NEVER given me any sync problems what-so-ever.
But the sirens coming from iCal and AddressBook were too strong, so
with the Treo, I also made the jump from Now-Up-To-Date to Apple's
built-in products. On a Mac, the Mac apps are nearly perfect.
With .Mac, it is nearly perfect. Except iSync.
I've played all the games everyone mentioned, using e2Sync to sync
from Mac to Entourage, using Entourage to sync to Treo, and it sort
of works, but somewhere along the line of experimentation, iSync
(such as e2Sync to AddressBook) fails again, and I end up with a mess
(duplicate records, etc). I just can't quite figure it out, and I
consider myself a very strong Mac user. It just shouldn't be this hard.
Until this works flawlessly, I can't imaging anyone trusting iSync.
Our time is too valuable to have to backup files for safety before a
sync, or have to do silly things, like a reset of all devices every
time I need new data on my Treo, let alone the other way around -
Treo syncing to my Mac.
On a positive note, I LOVE the Treo for what it is! Unbelievable
device. SnapperMail is much better than VersaMail. Its handling of
IMAP accounts is flawless and mimics usage experienced by a desktop
client application. It's really a very, very nice phone/PALM
device. I just wish to heck Verizon did not cripple the various
Bluetooth profiles. Shades of Motorola V710 class action lawsuits
again. Doesn't Verizon trust - or support - its users? And with a
PALM device like a Treo, blocking OBEX is a moot point since there
are so many ways to bypass their network to get files (pictures,
ringtones, etc) to and from the phone. But blocking DUN profiles to
me is so ridiculous. Let us use either our National Access plan or
MOU for dialup from our laptops. We pay for it. Let them make some
revenue from it. Phone companies want to do it all, but in the end,
they prevent you from doing it all even if the technology supports it.
Thanks again,
Warren
On Jun 6, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Robert Williams wrote:
> Actually Warren, Wireless Sync is probably the BEST thing about the
> Verizon
> Service - think of Wireless Sync as a ".Mac" for your TREO
> (literally, since
> it backs up critical file info and can restore a hard resetted 650
> to it's
> former state - a pretty cool feature if you are on the road and
> something
> BAD happens and you have to start from scratch.
>
> There IS one catch that is buried in the wireless Sync Prefs that
> you MUST
> check in order to allow you to sync with your desktop Mac:
>
> Launch wireless Sync, press the MENU button, select SETUP, Select
> CONNECTION
> SETTINGS, click on the ADVANCED button, and Check ENABLE OTHER SYNC
> APPS.
>
> Even though it warns that this may duplicate data, it has not
> happened to me
> yet
>
> If you are still distrustful of Wireless Sync, you can disable the
> various
> "Conduits" for wireless sync - and they are pretty extensive - if
> all you
> want is the emergency systems setting backup & mail, so be it.
>
> IMHO - having tried both Cingular & Verizon, I find that Verizon's
> Wireless
> Sync to be a much better value for the money. The fact that you have a
> secure site to go to for all your email & PIM data is an additional
> bonus -
>
>
> --
> HTH
>
> Robert
> --
> Sent from my TREO 650 SmartPhone
>
> On 6/4/05 1:34 PM, "Warren Young" <wyoung at neurome.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I think I have it figured out. It was Wireless Sync that disabled
>> other conduits from syncing (like iSync). Helps to read the log on
>> the hot sync side of the Treo where it actually said just that.
>> Verizon/Windows does it again to Mac users. Wireless Sync and their
>> Mail program is horrible, never mind that they do not support the
>> Mac. I do remember last night accidentally launching Wireless Sync
>> and seeing it do lots of things before I could cancel it. It's mind-
>> boggling. On that note, is it possible for us Mac users to simply
>> remove it using Delete Applications? Both Wireless Sync and Mail?
>> Or would that pose other problems? I obviously use VersaMail with
>> absolutely no problems.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Warren
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Warren Young wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> With doing nothing other than letting a day go by, Missinc Sync
>>> 4.0.5 (63), iSync (2.0), Tiger (10.4.1), or something decided that
>>> today I would not be allowed to sync (actually reset) my iCal
>>> (2.0.1 (1029))and AddressBook (4.0.1 (472)) contacts to my Treo
>>> 650. I don't sync because of duplicate records problem, and force
>>> a new clean copy onto my Treo. I've done this maybe 3 times
>>> successfully since I got my Treo a week ago. Not today. Here's
>>> the log:
>>>
>>> Sync starting at 6/4/05 9:36 AM (09:36:35) on USB
>>> 6/4/05 9:36 AM iSync Conduit starting
>>> 6/4/05 9:36 AM SyncOpenDB returned 16388 for database AddressDB,
>>> creating a new database
>>> 6/4/05 9:36 AM Warning: Could not create database AddressDB (return
>>> code 16395), ignoring database
>>> 6/4/05 9:36 AM iSync Conduit: Got back NULL from rendezvous for
>>> request BladeGetAllRecords
>>> 6/4/05 9:36 AM iSync Conduit: Sending Error Response 1: iSync
>>> Conduit: Could not find database AddressDB
>>> 6/4/05 9:36 AM iSync Conduit: received NULL message,
>>> disconnecting...
>>> OK iSync Conduit
>>> Sync completed successfully at 6/4/05 9:36 AM (09:36:37)
>>>
>>> I've rebooted Mac, soft rebooted Treo and nothing! iSync reset
>>> device, iSync reset history, slow synchronization, clear device,
>>> sync device - nothing works. iSync just continues to report the
>>> same problem above with the database errors. I can do other conduit
>>> tasks, like backing up, etc. And yes, I remove Documents to Go
>>> (Command Delete from Missing Sync - did not do a full uninstall).
>>>
>>> I don't want to hard reset my Treo, even though that may be the
>>> last resort. I've got so many phone settings and not sure if the
>>> PalmOS backups have those configurations. And I would really like
>>> to know why there is so many problems with syncing. I have never
>>> had any problems with my Tungsten C and Palm Desktop. Many have
>>> said iSync is great, but it is so problematic for me. If
>>> AddressBook, iCal and integration with Apple Mail weren't so good,
>>> I'd go back to Now Up To Date or even Palm Desktop.
>>>
>>> Any help from anyone would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Warren
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