From arkady1 at mac.com Thu Apr 1 00:10:50 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Wed Mar 31 21:10:57 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 @ Apple Store - $399.00 - Mac OS X v10.1 or higher. Message-ID: Either it's an outdated info, or Apple is looking down the road, knowing something that we all don't know... yet... :):) VERY STRANGE... This is what Apple Store says -- $399.00 Palm Tungsten T3 * Mac with a USB Port * Mac OS X v10.1 or higher This contradicts http://www.palmOne.com/us/products/handhelds/tungsten-t3/specs.html SUPPORTED DESKTOP SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS Mac 9.1 or higher/Mac OS X, version 10.1.2 to 10.2.6 ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From jason at ophiochos.org.uk Thu Apr 1 09:07:43 2004 From: jason at ophiochos.org.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Thu Apr 1 00:07:48 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 @ Apple Store - $399.00 - Mac OS X v10.1 or higher. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Either it's an outdated info, or Apple is looking down the road, >knowing something that we all don't know... yet... :):) VERY STRANGE... > >This is what Apple Store says -- > >$399.00 Palm Tungsten T3 > >* Mac with a USB Port * Mac OS X v10.1 or higher > >This contradicts > >http://www.palmOne.com/us/products/handhelds/tungsten-t3/specs.html > >SUPPORTED DESKTOP SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS Mac 9.1 or higher/Mac OS X, >version 10.1.2 to 10.2.6 why? Apple doesn't support OS 9.1 any more, thus 10.1 is needed. However PD still runs on older systems. Or do you mean the lack of 10.3? PD doesn't always install properly on X.3. If you're going to point things out like this, can you be more specific? There are quite a few things you could be referring to... From arkady1 at mac.com Sat Apr 10 01:52:06 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri Apr 9 21:52:11 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] VIREX 7.5 CONFLICTS WITH PALM DESKTOP 4.1 & HOTSYNC UNDER MAC OS 10.3.3 In-Reply-To: <4076FBBB.6010405@aops-eds.com> Message-ID: PROBLEM -- Since I've installed a newly announced(4/8/04) Virex 7.5. I get "File Busy" when I Quit Palm Desktop 4.1, and or try to HotSync to my Tungsten T3, and then HotSync Quits. I've also noticed that my programs launch slower after I installed Virex 7.5 SOLUTION -- I've Deleted Virex Log in Item, and I was still getting File Busy when Quitting PD, and I CAN'T HOTSYNC -- I am SCREWED! I re-installed PD from the CD that came with my Tungsten T3. The PROBLEM STILL EXISTS. In Finder I search for items containing "Virex", and Deleted them, with the exception of a couple of Saved Virex Reports. After Restart, the PROBLEM IS GONE! I.e. Open-Quit Palm Desktop is OK, and HotSync is fine. I've Secure Deleted Virex 7.5, then I logged into my .Mac, and downloaded and Installed my previous version of Virex 7.2 (free Download) -- NO PROBLEMS!!! CONCLUSION -- Virex 7.5 is Beta. Whether it protects against the newly announced Mac OS X Trojan Horse http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/08/trojan/ I don't know. This explanation from a friend, a former Apple employee put my mind somewhat at ease: ----------------------- Looks like you're safe. Here is the skinny on the virus for OS X and the virus on your computer: The virus for OS X is found within MP3 files. And just having it on your machine does nothing. As of yet, it is not out, its just something that can happen. Here is a quote from Symantec, "It is a proof of concept Trojan that does affect the Mac platform, however it is currently not present in the wild. Symantec Security Response will continue to closely monitor this and any other potential threats to the Mac OS X platform." Note that they used the phrase 'not present in the wild', this means that it can be done, but hasn't been done yet. The Viruses on your mac are Windows viruses, and cannot affect your computer at all. Here is a link for details on the virus on your machine: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100662.htm Basically, the only way someone would get the virus from you is if you forwarded the virus manually. Since it is a windows virus, it cannot compromise your machine. It also appears to be in your deleted mail folder. So if you compact empty, or expunge that folder (depending on the term used by your mail program), it will go away.... If your virus software uses a similar resource/file as the Palm software, it may cause a conflict when palm software tries to quit. I would recommend sending the Virex people a note and see if they are aware of any issues with the software... Sounds like a standard software conflict that needs to be addressed by the software vendors, and since it has only occurred after installing Virex, I would talk to them first. ----------------------- So, the way I understand it, in plain English, there is "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horse" possible, that Windows SPECIFIC Virus(es) can take into Mac-OSX-Land:), but, since no Mac SPECIFIC Viruses have been discovered, yet:), this "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horse" can only deliver Windows SPECIFIC Virus(es) that can't harm Mac OSX computers. Whether Mac SPECIFIC Viruses will be discovered, and when, only time will tell!!! Hopefully Apple will close the "holes", so that those "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horses" can't get in... HOPEFULLY, .Mac will provide a Virex Update that can protect us against those "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horses", without EFFECTIVELY DISABLING Palm Desktop Software, and HotSync. Bad enough, we are already on a ?death row?, given that Palm Source has OFFICIALLY dropped Mac OS Support, higher then 10.2.6... As to Virex 7.5 Beta, it looks like it had a lot more Options in its Preferences, but they were quite CONFUSING! The SEEMED to be no way to disable it from running on the Log In(Restart), or Always in the Background, which slowed down my Powerbook 17, 1.33Mghz. MY ADVICE -- DO NOT INSTALL VIREX 7.5 IF YOU ARE USING PALM DESKTOP 4.1, OR AND HOTSYNC TO PALM PDA!!! HOPEFULLY Virex Folks will respond to this email, as well as post a statement on http://MacMinute.com , http://MacCentral.com and other major Mac News Outlets... ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From arkady1 at mac.com Sat Apr 10 01:47:42 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Wed Apr 21 10:00:30 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] VIREX 7.5 CONFLICTS WITH PALM DESKTOP 4.1 & HOTSYNC UNDER MAC OS 10.3.3 In-Reply-To: <4076FBBB.6010405@aops-eds.com> Message-ID: PROBLEM -- Since I've installed a newly announced(4/8/04) Virex 7.5. I get "File Busy" when I Quit Palm Desktop 4.1, and or try to HotSync to my Tungsten T3, and then HotSync Quits. I've also noticed that my programs launch slower after I installed Virex 7.5 SOLUTION -- I've Deleted Virex Log in Item, and I was still getting File Busy when Quitting PD, and I CAN'T HOTSYNC -- I am SCREWED! I re-installed PD from the CD that came with my Tungsten T3. The PROBLEM STILL EXISTS. In Finder I search for items containing "Virex", and Deleted them, with the exception of a couple of Saved Virex Reports. After Restart, the PROBLEM IS GONE! I.e. Open-Quit Palm Desktop is OK, and HotSync is fine. I've Secure Deleted Virex 7.5, then I logged into my .Mac, and downloaded and Installed my previous version of Virex 7.2 (free Download) -- NO PROBLEMS!!! CONCLUSION -- Virex 7.5 is Beta. Whether it protects against the newly announced Mac OS X Trojan Horse http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/08/trojan/ I don't know. This explanation from a friend, a former Apple employee put my mind somewhat at ease: ----------------------- Looks like you're safe. Here is the skinny on the virus for OS X and the virus on your computer: The virus for OS X is found within MP3 files. And just having it on your machine does nothing. As of yet, it is not out, its just something that can happen. Here is a quote from Symantec, "It is a proof of concept Trojan that does affect the Mac platform, however it is currently not present in the wild. Symantec Security Response will continue to closely monitor this and any other potential threats to the Mac OS X platform." Note that they used the phrase 'not present in the wild', this means that it can be done, but hasn't been done yet. The Viruses on your mac are Windows viruses, and cannot affect your computer at all. Here is a link for details on the virus on your machine: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100662.htm Basically, the only way someone would get the virus from you is if you forwarded the virus manually. Since it is a windows virus, it cannot compromise your machine. It also appears to be in your deleted mail folder. So if you compact empty, or expunge that folder (depending on the term used by your mail program), it will go away.... If your virus software uses a similar resource/file as the Palm software, it may cause a conflict when palm software tries to quit. I would recommend sending the Virex people a note and see if they are aware of any issues with the software... Sounds like a standard software conflict that needs to be addressed by the software vendors, and since it has only occurred after installing Virex, I would talk to them first. ----------------------- So, the way I understand it, in plain English, there is "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horse" possible, that Windows SPECIFIC Virus(es) can take into Mac-OSX-Land:), but, since no Mac SPECIFIC Viruses have been discovered, yet:), this "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horse" can only deliver Windows SPECIFIC Virus(es) that can't harm Mac OSX computers. Whether Mac SPECIFIC Viruses will be discovered, and when, only time will tell!!! Hopefully Apple will close the "holes", so that those "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horses" can't get in... HOPEFULLY, .Mac will provide a Virex Update that can protect us against those "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horses", without EFFECTIVELY DISABLING Palm Desktop Software, and HotSync. Bad enough, we are already on a ?death row?, given that Palm Source has OFFICIALLY dropped Mac OS Support, higher then 10.2.6... As to Virex 7.5 Beta, it looks like it had a lot more Options in its Preferences, but they were quite CONFUSING! The SEEMED to be no way to disable it from running on the Log In(Restart), or Always in the Background, which slowed down my Powerbook 17, 1.33Mghz. MY ADVICE -- DO NOT INSTALL VIREX 7.5 IF YOU ARE USING PALM DESKTOP 4.1, OR AND HOTSYNC TO PALM PDA!!! HOPEFULLY Virex Folks will respond to this email, as well as post a statement on http://MacMinute.com , http://MacCentral.com and other major Mac News Outlets... ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From mjtlee at mac.com Fri Apr 23 00:20:30 2004 From: mjtlee at mac.com (John Lee) Date: Thu Apr 22 15:20:41 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Bluetooth internet connection Message-ID: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> Life is never perfect, but surely it can be? I started off a happy PC user, syncing my PPC to Outlook. Then I decided to switch to Apple. I had an iPAQ 1940 with Bluetooth and Missing Sync for PPC/MacOs10.3.3. My appointments moved around from day-to-day so I had to abandon despite the fact that I could surf the web with a BT connection. That was the first wasted $29.95 even though I followed advice from MarkSpace to try to fix the problems. But wnadering dates cannot be stomached for long in a busy diary. I decided to move to the PalmOs because of my determined switch to Apple and thought I would go the whole hog and use MarkSpace - good AvantGo syncing (although not automatic with Hotsync); good reliable web browsing when docked; improved file transfers - thanks. Calendars are great now. A device match that is reliable. Thank goodness. I turn up for my patients on time! Although I can surf when docked and sync on BT, I still can't surf on a BT connection? It doesn't seem so tough, surely? The Apple scripts that are knocking about can do it (and I have achieved it, but it is not reliable). Please can MarkSpace sort this last step out? I have now paid $59.98 to get to this point! Looking forward to some news. Yours in good faith. John Lee From sgruby at markspace.com Thu Apr 22 16:26:47 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Thu Apr 22 15:31:42 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Bluetooth internet connection In-Reply-To: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> References: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> Message-ID: <24B0E24E-94AC-11D8-8284-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Apr 22, 2004, at 3:20 PM, John Lee wrote: > I decided to move to the PalmOs because of my determined switch to > Apple and thought I would go the whole hog and use MarkSpace - good > AvantGo syncing (although not automatic with Hotsync); good reliable > web browsing when docked; improved file transfers - thanks. Calendars > are great now. A device match that is reliable. Thank goodness. I > turn up for my patients on time! Although I can surf when docked and > sync on BT, I still can't surf on a BT connection? It doesn't seem so > tough, surely? The Apple scripts that are knocking about can do it > (and I have achieved it, but it is not reliable). Please can > MarkSpace sort this last step out? I have now paid $59.98 to get to > this point! Looking forward to some news. > We would like to add this feature to our product(s), but do not have an estimate on when it will be available. The AppleScripts, as you've indicated, are not reliable, so when we add this feature, we want it to work seamlessly and well. For instance, the AppleScripts require you to choose sharing over AirPort or Ethernet; the user really should not have to decide. We are working as hard as we can on our products and there are a number of things to do for them. This feature is definitely one that comes up often and we hope to address it. -- Scott Gruby Please contact support@markspace.com for assistance with Mark/Space products. From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:26 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Apr 22 15:32:09 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Bluetooth internet connection In-Reply-To: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> References: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> Message-ID: At 11:20 PM +0100 4/22/04, John Lee wrote: >Although I can surf when docked and >sync on BT, I still can't surf on a BT connection? It doesn't seem so >tough, surely? While not currently a feature of Missing Sync for Internet Sharing and AvantGo, we do plan to add the ability to share via BT in the future (in addition to current ability to do same over USB). Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From jzurek at cabrini.edu Sat Apr 24 11:30:08 2004 From: jzurek at cabrini.edu (Jerry Zurek) Date: Sat Apr 24 07:30:14 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo Message-ID: For about 4-5 months now I have been trying to establish a shared internet connection in order to use Avantgo, with NO SUCCESS. I have no trouble mounting my Palm's expansion card, so that's fine. My Mac has internet connections via ethernet and Airport. I use the Ethernet connection. In my Sharing Preference in System Preferences, both are checked off and Ethernet has priority. I turn Internet sharing on by clicking the start button. I start Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 and choose Internet Sharing. I choose Network Pref on Palm (Zire 71 OS 5). I have chosen both Windows RAS and Missing sync as the service. User name is left blank or I enter my Palm's username, to try that. Connection is CableCradle. Details are PPP, Idle timeout: Never, Query DNS checked, IP Address automatic checked. I click connect and the screen says signing on for 2-3 minutes and then the secondary screen cancels. Anybody spot something wrong? -- Thanks, Jerry Zurek From jdrax at tds.net Sat Apr 24 10:46:53 2004 From: jdrax at tds.net (John R. Draxler) Date: Sat Apr 24 07:52:28 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jerry Try going on the net and downloading the following MAL conduit Do a search for that and it should get you the correct site to download Read the instructions and install as needed I use it and it works fine I have osx and palm zire 71 ----------------------------------------------------------- Thunderbird Ranch 7158 Highway B Pittsville, WI 54466 Ph 715-884-6546 (9-5 central ) fax 715-884-6720 jdrax@tds.net http://www.tbirdranch.com (Subscribe to my free newsletter on my website) And now a second website........ http://www.tbirdhelp.com Have a terrific day and may God guide your footsteps. > From: Jerry Zurek > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Palm OS\) Discussion > List" > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:30:08 -0400 > To: > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared internet > connection for Avantgo > > For about 4-5 months now I have been trying to establish a shared internet > connection in order to use Avantgo, with NO SUCCESS. > > I have no trouble mounting my Palm's expansion card, so that's fine. > > My Mac has internet connections via ethernet and Airport. I use the Ethernet > connection. In my Sharing Preference in System Preferences, both are > checked off and Ethernet has priority. I turn Internet sharing on by > clicking the start button. > > I start Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 and choose Internet Sharing. > > I choose Network Pref on Palm (Zire 71 OS 5). I have chosen both Windows RAS > and Missing sync as the service. User name is left blank or I enter my > Palm's username, to try that. Connection is CableCradle. Details are PPP, > Idle timeout: Never, Query DNS checked, IP Address automatic checked. > > I click connect and the screen says signing on for 2-3 minutes and then the > secondary screen cancels. > > Anybody spot something wrong? > > -- > Thanks, > Jerry Zurek > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From jzurek at cabrini.edu Sat Apr 24 16:44:41 2004 From: jzurek at cabrini.edu (Jerry Zurek) Date: Sat Apr 24 12:44:45 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: <200404241600.i3OG0XIG025709@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: Wish I could report success. I did download the MAL Conduit and installed it. I then went to https://my.avantgo.com/account/downloads.html And downloaded and installed the four .prcs = AvantGo Palm OS 5 Client. I think I configured them according to the directions but no Avantgo activity occurred during hotsync. Am I missing a step. And to be clear, this solution has nothing to do with Missing Sync. It is an alternative procedure. -- Thanks, Jerry Zurek From jdrax at tds.net Sat Apr 24 17:37:14 2004 From: jdrax at tds.net (John R. Draxler) Date: Sat Apr 24 14:43:59 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know that the directions say to only install one of the items for avante go Did you do just that? Did you delete all previous stuff you installed? I am not much of a guru at this palm stuff but when I deleted all old stuff and then installed just as the directions, I was up an running. ----------------------------------------------------------- Thunderbird Ranch 7158 Highway B Pittsville, WI 54466 Ph 715-884-6546 (9-5 central ) fax 715-884-6720 jdrax@tds.net http://www.tbirdranch.com (Subscribe to my free newsletter on my website) And now a second website........ http://www.tbirdhelp.com Have a terrific day and may God guide your footsteps. > From: Jerry Zurek > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Palm OS\) Discussion > List" > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:44:41 -0400 > To: > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared > internet connection for Avantgo > > Wish I could report success. > > I did download the MAL Conduit and installed it. > I then went to > https://my.avantgo.com/account/downloads.html > And downloaded and installed the four .prcs = AvantGo Palm OS 5 Client. > > I think I configured them according to the directions but no Avantgo > activity occurred during hotsync. > > Am I missing a step. > > And to be clear, this solution has nothing to do with Missing Sync. It is an > alternative procedure. > > -- > Thanks, > Jerry Zurek > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From ptyrone at dynamicangel.com Sat Apr 24 17:27:34 2004 From: ptyrone at dynamicangel.com (P Tyrone Smith) Date: Sat Apr 24 16:25:20 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is there a way to get the Samsung i500 to work with MAC OS 10.3 yet? Help! -- P Tyrone Smith 415.786.9611 From brian_hall at markspace.com Sat Apr 24 17:57:24 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Sat Apr 24 16:57:23 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Is there a way to get the Samsung i500 to work with MAC OS 10.3 yet? Officially, nobody supports the i500 for hotsync at this time (Samsung doesn't support Mac, Sprint/Verizon don't support Mac, PalmOne only supports devices they sell, etc). Unofficially, some people have find that Palm Desktop 4.1 works with it (while others find that they can't get it to work). We are coming out with a new version of Missing Sync for Palm OS later this year that will support all devices with Palm OS 4.0 and up that can sync via USB, Bluetooth or WiFi. The i500, fitting those requirements, should work well with that product. For more info on that project, see www.markspace.com/cobalt.html Bria -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From john at philpin.com Sat Apr 24 20:50:29 2004 From: john at philpin.com (john philpin) Date: Sat Apr 24 19:50:36 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <502AB5E0-9663-11D8-BC08-000393580EEC@philpin.com> well - i don't know if i am spotting anything wrong - BUT when i origianlly installed missing sync - internet sharing just worked. anout a month ago it stopped. i wrestled for a week - and came across this : http://tinyurl.com/3f829 on the missing sync support site. i followed the instructions - and has worked perfectly ever since. On Apr 24, 2004, at 7:30 AM, Jerry Zurek wrote: > For about 4-5 months now I have been trying to establish a shared > internet > connection in order to use Avantgo, with NO SUCCESS. > > I have no trouble mounting my Palm's expansion card, so that's fine. > > My Mac has internet connections via ethernet and Airport. I use the > Ethernet > connection. In my Sharing Preference in System Preferences, both are > checked off and Ethernet has priority. I turn Internet sharing on by > clicking the start button. > > I start Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 and choose Internet Sharing. > > I choose Network Pref on Palm (Zire 71 OS 5). I have chosen both > Windows RAS > and Missing sync as the service. User name is left blank or I enter my > Palm's username, to try that. Connection is CableCradle. Details are > PPP, > Idle timeout: Never, Query DNS checked, IP Address automatic checked. > > I click connect and the screen says signing on for 2-3 minutes and > then the > secondary screen cancels. > > Anybody spot something wrong? > > -- > Thanks, > Jerry Zurek > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can > be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From David.Littleford at Sun.COM Sun Apr 25 14:03:07 2004 From: David.Littleford at Sun.COM (David Littleford - Service Account Manager) Date: Sat Apr 24 20:33:13 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: missing-sync-palmos-talk Digest, Vol 11, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200404241600.i3OG0XII025709@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200404241600.i3OG0XII025709@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <408B3173.6030906@sun.com> Jerry, Strangely, I have a Zire 71 and an iBook, and have exactly the same problem. I purchased the Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 at the beginning of the year and have never, ever got it to work. It timeouts rather than connect. I have scoured the help links for a clue, tried may different solutions (ie avantgo server IP address rather than DNS name, port number 443 rather than 80). but never any success. Markspace have been no help at all, and seem to not be willing to invest time in the issue and have little understanding of what goes on beyond their product (ie the MAC and Network) for possible sources of connection interference. Very disappointing. Obviously I will not be a repeat Markspace customer. David missing-sync-palmos-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > Send missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-palmos-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-palmos-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-palmos-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for > Avantgo (Jerry Zurek) > 2. Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for > Avantgo (John R. Draxler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:30:08 -0400 > From: Jerry Zurek > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared > internet connection for Avantgo > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > For about 4-5 months now I have been trying to establish a shared internet > connection in order to use Avantgo, with NO SUCCESS. > > I have no trouble mounting my Palm's expansion card, so that's fine. > > My Mac has internet connections via ethernet and Airport. I use the Ethernet > connection. In my Sharing Preference in System Preferences, both are > checked off and Ethernet has priority. I turn Internet sharing on by > clicking the start button. > > I start Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 and choose Internet Sharing. > > I choose Network Pref on Palm (Zire 71 OS 5). I have chosen both Windows RAS > and Missing sync as the service. User name is left blank or I enter my > Palm's username, to try that. Connection is CableCradle. Details are PPP, > Idle timeout: Never, Query DNS checked, IP Address automatic checked. > > I click connect and the screen says signing on for 2-3 minutes and then the > secondary screen cancels. > > Anybody spot something wrong? > -- From pianojoyy at ix.netcom.com Sun Apr 25 23:52:53 2004 From: pianojoyy at ix.netcom.com (Priscilla Heffield) Date: Sun Apr 25 19:52:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Avantgo USB sync Message-ID: I would like to be able to sync my Tungsten T3 via USB to get web pages and map directions. I've installed Malconduit (to sync my e-mail). What else do I need and where do I get it? What can I expect to be able to get once I do that? Priscilla Heffield, who would love a course on best ways to use a PDA with Mac. From arkady1 at mac.com Thu Apr 29 04:28:20 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Thu Apr 29 00:28:28 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PalmOne ... Reaffirms Mac Support!!! - THANK GOD!!! Message-ID: What a relief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......................:):):):):).... http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/27/palmone/ So does it mean that Palm Desktop has now been taken off the death row?:) Does it mean that I have to upgrade my Tungsten T3 to Palm OS 5.2.8 from it's OS 5.2.1 at present to use the new PD 4.2.1?? Is such upgrade even possible? Hope Palm's PR machine goes extra mile in trying to CLARIFY all these Q's, given what a HUGE SCARE they gave the entire Mac-Palm community! Relying on the 2nd hand information, like http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6772 is less than an IDEAL SOLUTION!!! And, if Verizon Wireless offers BlueTooth phones for T3, I'd be really happy... Or I guess they are waiting for the next Treo and such, and all T1-2-3 users to buy into that? But with PD for Mac getting a new, hopefully LONG term lease on life, as a Mac, T3, user, I'll take ANY good news from palm I can get... I am glad that PalmOne has FINALLY seen the light!!! ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From arkady1 at mac.com Thu Apr 29 05:32:05 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Thu Apr 29 01:32:51 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? Message-ID: IRONICALLY -- my Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED with anything higher than Mac OS 10.2.6 http://www.palmone.com/us/products/handhelds/tungsten-t3/specs.html which HOPEFULLY means that they simply haven't updated that web page and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From jason at ophiochos.org.uk Thu Apr 29 15:49:14 2004 From: jason at ophiochos.org.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Thu Apr 29 06:47:19 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... try the new PD 4.2.1? the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the installer. From jason at ophiochos.org.uk Thu Apr 29 15:50:15 2004 From: jason at ophiochos.org.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Thu Apr 29 06:48:17 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PalmOne ... Reaffirms Mac Support!!! - THANK GOD!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/27/palmone/ so does this mean MarkSpace have wasted weeks of software coding in preparation for Cobalt? From arkady1 at mac.com Thu Apr 29 14:44:55 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Thu Apr 29 10:45:02 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Palm Desktop 4.2.1 Conduits Installation CONFUSING???!!! Message-ID: I saw this at http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/12968 --------- you must disable conduits based on your handheld type ??Paul_Christensen?? Version: 4.2.1, 4/29/2004 08:59AM PST sjonke - in regards to your problems with multiple conduits installed, starting with the Tungsten T3 and Tungsten E, PalmOne released completely new organizer apps. These apps have a different database version, and new capabilities, but they require different conduits. The latest PalmOne devices (Zire72 and Zire31) also include these new organizer apps. Palm Desktop installs both sets of conduits, because it has no way of knowing whether you have a newer device or a classic device. It is up to you to disable the corresponding conduits (go to HotSync manager, change conduit properties to "do nothing" and make that the default). I agree that Palm should have provided some sort of wizard to disable / enable the conduits based on your handheld type. But to be fair, they have the same problem on the Windows version of HotSync as well. And... I applaud PalmOne for its support of Mac OS X by including native conduits for their new organizer apps --------- Boy, sounds like a recipe for a lot of headaches... OBVIOUSLY one MUST BACK UP USERS FOLDER (Documents/Palm/Users) UNDER A SEPARATE NAME, ON DESKTOP, SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET OVERWRITTEN! PalmOne SHOULD offer a detailed information on this PD Upgrade vs. Tungsten T1-2-3 and other PDA's, otherwise they are going to create more phone calls to their Tech Support. Or maybe, they WANT those Tech Support calls, so that they can hit the caller with a $25+ per incident charge, unless one bought a $49 2 year protection Plan (not sure of the details)? Till they CLARIFY ALL THIS, we have bits and pieces of 2nd hand information from http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/12968 http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6772 ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com Powerbook 17 1.33 MHz, Mac OS 10.3.3, Tungsten T3, Palm Desktop 4.1 From david.ceulemans at pandora.be Fri Apr 30 11:36:36 2004 From: david.ceulemans at pandora.be (David Ceulemans) Date: Fri Apr 30 01:37:13 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> On Apr 29, 2004, at 15:49, Jason Davies wrote: >> >> and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... > > > try the new PD 4.2.1? > > the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the > installer. I don't get it... WHAT is not supported concerning the Tungsten T3? I'm working with 10.3 and a T3 without any problems... regards, David Ceulemans From z at zenonez.com Fri Apr 30 11:51:12 2004 From: z at zenonez.com (zeno) Date: Fri Apr 30 01:51:17 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> References: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> Message-ID: <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> >>> and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... >> >> try the new PD 4.2.1? >> the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the >> installer. > > I don't get it... WHAT is not supported concerning the Tungsten T3? > > I'm working with 10.3 and a T3 without any problems... exactly! same here: I sync my T3 under panther since the first day I bought it From amcutting at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 30 11:48:55 2004 From: amcutting at yahoo.co.uk (Alastair Cutting) Date: Fri Apr 30 02:49:09 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> References: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> Message-ID: <98182E5C-9A8B-11D8-929B-000393ABC616@yahoo.co.uk> On Apr 30, 2004, at 09:51, zeno wrote: >>>> and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... >>> >>> try the new PD 4.2.1? >>> the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the >>> installer. >> >> I don't get it... WHAT is not supported concerning the Tungsten T3? >> >> I'm working with 10.3 and a T3 without any problems... > > exactly! same here: I sync my T3 under panther since the first day I > bought it > Well, yes but... I too can sync a T3 on Panther 10.3 - but it is not without problem. Admittedly, I am using iSync, and not Palm Desktop, but frankly the integration with Apple's AddressBook in particular is scant. I am dying for Apple, Palm, or MarkSpace or someone to produce a set of conduits that REALLY work... please... Alastair From z at zenonez.com Fri Apr 30 12:59:28 2004 From: z at zenonez.com (zeno) Date: Fri Apr 30 02:59:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PalmOne ... Reaffirms Mac Support!!! - THANK GOD!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11F09425-9A8D-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> >> http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/27/palmone/ > > > so does this mean MarkSpace have wasted weeks of software coding in > preparation for Cobalt? ??? I really don't think so there's a lot of confusion... so, the facts: - the two new Zire models have OS 5.2.8 => I would say it is "normal" that they syncs with Mac: in fact all the previous OS5-palmone-handhelds sync too (Tungsten T, T2, T3, Zire 71) using PalmDesktop 4 for Mac. - OS 6 (Cobalt) is different. OS6 handhelds won't be able to use the "current" Mac PalmDesktop + HotSyncManager, they'll need something (completely) new. Apparently, nobody wanted to build and support this "new thing" that enables Cobalt<->Mac syncing ("PalmSource drops Mac Synchronization in Cobalt", remember?) and that was the source of all SCARES in the Mac Community. Now, MarkSpace will be the one to build and support that "new thing". So "does this mean MarkSpace have wasted weeks of software coding in preparation for Cobalt?" => answer: NO ;-) Anyway, don't scare: when you'll buy your future Cobalt-handheld, you won't even notice that "someone has dropped Mac support": I'm almost certain that the future Palm-Mac situation will be like this: - you buy the new, let's say, palmOne Tungsten T4 with Cobalt. - you open the box, there's an installation CD. - the CD is Windows and Mac compatible - the CD will install PalmDesktop for Windows, if you have a PC - it will install the "new thing" from MarkSpace ("The Missing Sync for Palm OS Cobalt") if you have a Mac see? the future's bright ;-) sorry for my crap-english zeno http://zenonez.com From david.ceulemans at pandora.be Fri Apr 30 18:10:41 2004 From: david.ceulemans at pandora.be (David Ceulemans) Date: Fri Apr 30 08:11:06 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: <98182E5C-9A8B-11D8-929B-000393ABC616@yahoo.co.uk> References: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> <98182E5C-9A8B-11D8-929B-000393ABC616@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <8BD81046-9AB8-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> On Apr 30, 2004, at 11:48, Alastair Cutting wrote: > > On Apr 30, 2004, at 09:51, zeno wrote: > >>>>> and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... >>>> >>>> try the new PD 4.2.1? >>>> the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the >>>> installer. >>> >>> I don't get it... WHAT is not supported concerning the Tungsten T3? >>> >>> I'm working with 10.3 and a T3 without any problems... >> >> exactly! same here: I sync my T3 under panther since the first day I >> bought it >> > > Well, yes but... > I too can sync a T3 on Panther 10.3 - but it is not without problem. > > Admittedly, I am using iSync, and not Palm Desktop, but frankly the > integration with Apple's AddressBook in particular is scant. I am > dying for Apple, Palm, or MarkSpace or someone to produce a set of > conduits that REALLY work... please... Yes, I'm also using iSync, but as I said, the features that are offered, do work. We are in need of even better integration, that is ineed true, and IMO, what we need most, is decent mailsyncing, since that's lacking completely :( Personally, I feel that Mark/Space, considering they're profiling their products to be THE sync solutions, should take up the challenge to fill the gap. Be it with their own email program, be it with Palm's - I don't care... We just nee good syncing (with attachments) on Palm/Mac... Unfortunately, Mark/Space has commented it won't happen :( regards, David Ceulemans From brian_hall at markspace.com Fri Apr 30 10:28:20 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Apr 30 09:29:00 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: <8BD81046-9AB8-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> References: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> <98182E5C-9A8B-11D8-929B-000393ABC616@yahoo.co.uk> <8BD81046-9AB8-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> Message-ID: At 5:10 PM +0200 4/30/04, David Ceulemans wrote: >Personally, I feel that Mark/Space, considering they're profiling their >products to be THE sync solutions, should take up the challenge to fill >the gap. Be it with their own email program, be it with Palm's - I >don't care... We just nee good syncing (with attachments) on >Palm/Mac... > >Unfortunately, Mark/Space has commented it won't happen :( We already offer a Palm OS email client that supports attachments, see www.markspace.com/mail.html A 3rd party (www.queuesoft.jp) makes a conduit that will go between Mark/Space Mail and OS X Mail.app. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From arkady1 at mac.com Fri Apr 30 15:01:04 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri Apr 30 11:01:21 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Palm-Mac situation will be like this... ?! In-Reply-To: <200404301633.i3UGXJII032734@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: See the inserted Q's below ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:59:28 +0200 > From: zeno > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PalmOne ... Reaffirms Mac > Support!!! - THANK GOD!!! > > - the two new Zire models have OS 5.2.8 => I would say it is "normal" > that they syncs with Mac: in fact all the previous > OS5-palmone-handhelds sync too (Tungsten T, T2, T3, Zire 71) using > PalmDesktop 4 for Mac. OK, I'll ask again - If the new PD 4.2.1 was made with Palm OS 5.2.8 in mind, and my T3 runs Palm OS 5.2.1, will there be any performance difference? > - OS 6 (Cobalt) is different. OS6 handhelds won't be able to use the > "current" Mac PalmDesktop + HotSyncManager, they'll need something > (completely) new. Apparently, nobody wanted to build and support this > "new thing" that enables Cobalt<->Mac syncing ("PalmSource drops Mac > Synchronization in Cobalt", remember?) and that was the source of all > SCARES in the Mac Community. Now, MarkSpace will be the one to build > and support that "new thing". > > So "does this mean MarkSpace have wasted weeks of software coding in > preparation for Cobalt?" => answer: NO > ;-) Right... but it also doesn?t take in account to any and old changes that Apple might make on it's side. Who knows, maybe Apple is preparing it's own PDA? We'll never know what's going on behind the closed corp. doors:) > > Anyway, don't scare: when you'll buy your future Cobalt-handheld, you > won't even notice that "someone has dropped Mac support": We can only hope so... > > I'm almost certain that the future Palm-Mac situation will be like this: > > - you buy the new, let's say, palmOne Tungsten T4 with Cobalt. > - you open the box, there's an installation CD. > - the CD is Windows and Mac compatible > - the CD will install PalmDesktop for Windows, if you have a PC > - it will install the "new thing" from MarkSpace ("The Missing Sync for > Palm OS Cobalt") if you have a Mac > > see? > the future's bright > > ;-) > > sorry for my crap-english > > zeno > http://zenonez.com but... what about Palm Desktop? If it's not developed, or a replacement is offered for it, then it's Now Up To Date, or Entourage, or Apple's Address Book and iCal which don't have much of a Memo's Component, i.e. that's not a real PIM. Entourage is WAY too FAT, and, with it's Database often needing a Rebuild, or a Complex Rebuild, I am don't want to risk putting ALL my PIM Data into ONE Entourage Basket, where you can't really get under the hood...:) NUTD doesn't even Memos(Notes), and they are not even promising it by SF Macworld next January! What about T3's and Cobalt? T3 has a Flashable ROM, but I guess PalmOne won't make a T3 Update, in order to encourage us to buy the newer Cobalt PDA's, while we give our T3's to Window's friends, since their Palm Desktop will go on, unlike our Mac PD... My plan -- use PD 4.1 or 4.2.1 till it no longer works with my T3 and Panther 10.3.3 and higher. After that, we'll see. Hopefully PalmOne, PalmSource etc. will survive in the market place and we still have our PDA's or SmartPhone's to work with our Mac's. For as long as iPod, Apple, are STRONG, we'll get respect from Palm and other vendors etc. The same goes for online banking etc. where only Explorer is supported. Palm FAILED to reach to the masses, because they were too busy chasing the corporate sales, where they could sell in bulk. Palm's lack of clarity about it's products doesn't help either. They probably assumed that they'd be selling only to geeks, who in turn would educate the rest of us in lieu of Palm For Dummies... Palm could have been MUCH better at EDUCATING people. No wonder their sales are NOWHERE NEAR where they could have been. People on the street are simply intimidated... Not everyone is savvy enough... Palm could have learned from Apple, and it's .Mac Online Tutorials... Arkady From arkady1 at mac.com Thu Apr 1 00:10:50 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 @ Apple Store - $399.00 - Mac OS X v10.1 or higher. Message-ID: Either it's an outdated info, or Apple is looking down the road, knowing something that we all don't know... yet... :):) VERY STRANGE... This is what Apple Store says -- $399.00 Palm Tungsten T3 * Mac with a USB Port * Mac OS X v10.1 or higher This contradicts http://www.palmOne.com/us/products/handhelds/tungsten-t3/specs.html SUPPORTED DESKTOP SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS Mac 9.1 or higher/Mac OS X, version 10.1.2 to 10.2.6 ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From jason at ophiochos.org.uk Thu Apr 1 09:07:43 2004 From: jason at ophiochos.org.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 @ Apple Store - $399.00 - Mac OS X v10.1 or higher. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Either it's an outdated info, or Apple is looking down the road, >knowing something that we all don't know... yet... :):) VERY STRANGE... > >This is what Apple Store says -- > >$399.00 Palm Tungsten T3 > >* Mac with a USB Port * Mac OS X v10.1 or higher > >This contradicts > >http://www.palmOne.com/us/products/handhelds/tungsten-t3/specs.html > >SUPPORTED DESKTOP SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS Mac 9.1 or higher/Mac OS X, >version 10.1.2 to 10.2.6 why? Apple doesn't support OS 9.1 any more, thus 10.1 is needed. However PD still runs on older systems. Or do you mean the lack of 10.3? PD doesn't always install properly on X.3. If you're going to point things out like this, can you be more specific? There are quite a few things you could be referring to... From arkady1 at mac.com Sat Apr 10 01:52:06 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] VIREX 7.5 CONFLICTS WITH PALM DESKTOP 4.1 & HOTSYNC UNDER MAC OS 10.3.3 In-Reply-To: <4076FBBB.6010405@aops-eds.com> Message-ID: PROBLEM -- Since I've installed a newly announced(4/8/04) Virex 7.5. I get "File Busy" when I Quit Palm Desktop 4.1, and or try to HotSync to my Tungsten T3, and then HotSync Quits. I've also noticed that my programs launch slower after I installed Virex 7.5 SOLUTION -- I've Deleted Virex Log in Item, and I was still getting File Busy when Quitting PD, and I CAN'T HOTSYNC -- I am SCREWED! I re-installed PD from the CD that came with my Tungsten T3. The PROBLEM STILL EXISTS. In Finder I search for items containing "Virex", and Deleted them, with the exception of a couple of Saved Virex Reports. After Restart, the PROBLEM IS GONE! I.e. Open-Quit Palm Desktop is OK, and HotSync is fine. I've Secure Deleted Virex 7.5, then I logged into my .Mac, and downloaded and Installed my previous version of Virex 7.2 (free Download) -- NO PROBLEMS!!! CONCLUSION -- Virex 7.5 is Beta. Whether it protects against the newly announced Mac OS X Trojan Horse http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/08/trojan/ I don't know. This explanation from a friend, a former Apple employee put my mind somewhat at ease: ----------------------- Looks like you're safe. Here is the skinny on the virus for OS X and the virus on your computer: The virus for OS X is found within MP3 files. And just having it on your machine does nothing. As of yet, it is not out, its just something that can happen. Here is a quote from Symantec, "It is a proof of concept Trojan that does affect the Mac platform, however it is currently not present in the wild. Symantec Security Response will continue to closely monitor this and any other potential threats to the Mac OS X platform." Note that they used the phrase 'not present in the wild', this means that it can be done, but hasn't been done yet. The Viruses on your mac are Windows viruses, and cannot affect your computer at all. Here is a link for details on the virus on your machine: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100662.htm Basically, the only way someone would get the virus from you is if you forwarded the virus manually. Since it is a windows virus, it cannot compromise your machine. It also appears to be in your deleted mail folder. So if you compact empty, or expunge that folder (depending on the term used by your mail program), it will go away.... If your virus software uses a similar resource/file as the Palm software, it may cause a conflict when palm software tries to quit. I would recommend sending the Virex people a note and see if they are aware of any issues with the software... Sounds like a standard software conflict that needs to be addressed by the software vendors, and since it has only occurred after installing Virex, I would talk to them first. ----------------------- So, the way I understand it, in plain English, there is "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horse" possible, that Windows SPECIFIC Virus(es) can take into Mac-OSX-Land:), but, since no Mac SPECIFIC Viruses have been discovered, yet:), this "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horse" can only deliver Windows SPECIFIC Virus(es) that can't harm Mac OSX computers. Whether Mac SPECIFIC Viruses will be discovered, and when, only time will tell!!! Hopefully Apple will close the "holes", so that those "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horses" can't get in... HOPEFULLY, .Mac will provide a Virex Update that can protect us against those "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horses", without EFFECTIVELY DISABLING Palm Desktop Software, and HotSync. Bad enough, we are already on a ?death row?, given that Palm Source has OFFICIALLY dropped Mac OS Support, higher then 10.2.6... As to Virex 7.5 Beta, it looks like it had a lot more Options in its Preferences, but they were quite CONFUSING! The SEEMED to be no way to disable it from running on the Log In(Restart), or Always in the Background, which slowed down my Powerbook 17, 1.33Mghz. MY ADVICE -- DO NOT INSTALL VIREX 7.5 IF YOU ARE USING PALM DESKTOP 4.1, OR AND HOTSYNC TO PALM PDA!!! HOPEFULLY Virex Folks will respond to this email, as well as post a statement on http://MacMinute.com , http://MacCentral.com and other major Mac News Outlets... ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From arkady1 at mac.com Sat Apr 10 01:47:42 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] VIREX 7.5 CONFLICTS WITH PALM DESKTOP 4.1 & HOTSYNC UNDER MAC OS 10.3.3 In-Reply-To: <4076FBBB.6010405@aops-eds.com> Message-ID: PROBLEM -- Since I've installed a newly announced(4/8/04) Virex 7.5. I get "File Busy" when I Quit Palm Desktop 4.1, and or try to HotSync to my Tungsten T3, and then HotSync Quits. I've also noticed that my programs launch slower after I installed Virex 7.5 SOLUTION -- I've Deleted Virex Log in Item, and I was still getting File Busy when Quitting PD, and I CAN'T HOTSYNC -- I am SCREWED! I re-installed PD from the CD that came with my Tungsten T3. The PROBLEM STILL EXISTS. In Finder I search for items containing "Virex", and Deleted them, with the exception of a couple of Saved Virex Reports. After Restart, the PROBLEM IS GONE! I.e. Open-Quit Palm Desktop is OK, and HotSync is fine. I've Secure Deleted Virex 7.5, then I logged into my .Mac, and downloaded and Installed my previous version of Virex 7.2 (free Download) -- NO PROBLEMS!!! CONCLUSION -- Virex 7.5 is Beta. Whether it protects against the newly announced Mac OS X Trojan Horse http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/08/trojan/ I don't know. This explanation from a friend, a former Apple employee put my mind somewhat at ease: ----------------------- Looks like you're safe. Here is the skinny on the virus for OS X and the virus on your computer: The virus for OS X is found within MP3 files. And just having it on your machine does nothing. As of yet, it is not out, its just something that can happen. Here is a quote from Symantec, "It is a proof of concept Trojan that does affect the Mac platform, however it is currently not present in the wild. Symantec Security Response will continue to closely monitor this and any other potential threats to the Mac OS X platform." Note that they used the phrase 'not present in the wild', this means that it can be done, but hasn't been done yet. The Viruses on your mac are Windows viruses, and cannot affect your computer at all. Here is a link for details on the virus on your machine: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100662.htm Basically, the only way someone would get the virus from you is if you forwarded the virus manually. Since it is a windows virus, it cannot compromise your machine. It also appears to be in your deleted mail folder. So if you compact empty, or expunge that folder (depending on the term used by your mail program), it will go away.... If your virus software uses a similar resource/file as the Palm software, it may cause a conflict when palm software tries to quit. I would recommend sending the Virex people a note and see if they are aware of any issues with the software... Sounds like a standard software conflict that needs to be addressed by the software vendors, and since it has only occurred after installing Virex, I would talk to them first. ----------------------- So, the way I understand it, in plain English, there is "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horse" possible, that Windows SPECIFIC Virus(es) can take into Mac-OSX-Land:), but, since no Mac SPECIFIC Viruses have been discovered, yet:), this "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horse" can only deliver Windows SPECIFIC Virus(es) that can't harm Mac OSX computers. Whether Mac SPECIFIC Viruses will be discovered, and when, only time will tell!!! Hopefully Apple will close the "holes", so that those "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horses" can't get in... HOPEFULLY, .Mac will provide a Virex Update that can protect us against those "bus-train-plane-Tojan Horses", without EFFECTIVELY DISABLING Palm Desktop Software, and HotSync. Bad enough, we are already on a ?death row?, given that Palm Source has OFFICIALLY dropped Mac OS Support, higher then 10.2.6... As to Virex 7.5 Beta, it looks like it had a lot more Options in its Preferences, but they were quite CONFUSING! The SEEMED to be no way to disable it from running on the Log In(Restart), or Always in the Background, which slowed down my Powerbook 17, 1.33Mghz. MY ADVICE -- DO NOT INSTALL VIREX 7.5 IF YOU ARE USING PALM DESKTOP 4.1, OR AND HOTSYNC TO PALM PDA!!! HOPEFULLY Virex Folks will respond to this email, as well as post a statement on http://MacMinute.com , http://MacCentral.com and other major Mac News Outlets... ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From mjtlee at mac.com Fri Apr 23 00:20:30 2004 From: mjtlee at mac.com (John Lee) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Bluetooth internet connection Message-ID: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> Life is never perfect, but surely it can be? I started off a happy PC user, syncing my PPC to Outlook. Then I decided to switch to Apple. I had an iPAQ 1940 with Bluetooth and Missing Sync for PPC/MacOs10.3.3. My appointments moved around from day-to-day so I had to abandon despite the fact that I could surf the web with a BT connection. That was the first wasted $29.95 even though I followed advice from MarkSpace to try to fix the problems. But wnadering dates cannot be stomached for long in a busy diary. I decided to move to the PalmOs because of my determined switch to Apple and thought I would go the whole hog and use MarkSpace - good AvantGo syncing (although not automatic with Hotsync); good reliable web browsing when docked; improved file transfers - thanks. Calendars are great now. A device match that is reliable. Thank goodness. I turn up for my patients on time! Although I can surf when docked and sync on BT, I still can't surf on a BT connection? It doesn't seem so tough, surely? The Apple scripts that are knocking about can do it (and I have achieved it, but it is not reliable). Please can MarkSpace sort this last step out? I have now paid $59.98 to get to this point! Looking forward to some news. Yours in good faith. John Lee From sgruby at markspace.com Thu Apr 22 16:26:47 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Bluetooth internet connection In-Reply-To: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> References: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> Message-ID: <24B0E24E-94AC-11D8-8284-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Apr 22, 2004, at 3:20 PM, John Lee wrote: > I decided to move to the PalmOs because of my determined switch to > Apple and thought I would go the whole hog and use MarkSpace - good > AvantGo syncing (although not automatic with Hotsync); good reliable > web browsing when docked; improved file transfers - thanks. Calendars > are great now. A device match that is reliable. Thank goodness. I > turn up for my patients on time! Although I can surf when docked and > sync on BT, I still can't surf on a BT connection? It doesn't seem so > tough, surely? The Apple scripts that are knocking about can do it > (and I have achieved it, but it is not reliable). Please can > MarkSpace sort this last step out? I have now paid $59.98 to get to > this point! Looking forward to some news. > We would like to add this feature to our product(s), but do not have an estimate on when it will be available. The AppleScripts, as you've indicated, are not reliable, so when we add this feature, we want it to work seamlessly and well. For instance, the AppleScripts require you to choose sharing over AirPort or Ethernet; the user really should not have to decide. We are working as hard as we can on our products and there are a number of things to do for them. This feature is definitely one that comes up often and we hope to address it. -- Scott Gruby Please contact support@markspace.com for assistance with Mark/Space products. From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Apr 22 16:30:26 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Bluetooth internet connection In-Reply-To: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> References: <43E76FDA-94AB-11D8-93DE-000A95AAD226@mac.com> Message-ID: At 11:20 PM +0100 4/22/04, John Lee wrote: >Although I can surf when docked and >sync on BT, I still can't surf on a BT connection? It doesn't seem so >tough, surely? While not currently a feature of Missing Sync for Internet Sharing and AvantGo, we do plan to add the ability to share via BT in the future (in addition to current ability to do same over USB). Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From jzurek at cabrini.edu Sat Apr 24 11:30:08 2004 From: jzurek at cabrini.edu (Jerry Zurek) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo Message-ID: For about 4-5 months now I have been trying to establish a shared internet connection in order to use Avantgo, with NO SUCCESS. I have no trouble mounting my Palm's expansion card, so that's fine. My Mac has internet connections via ethernet and Airport. I use the Ethernet connection. In my Sharing Preference in System Preferences, both are checked off and Ethernet has priority. I turn Internet sharing on by clicking the start button. I start Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 and choose Internet Sharing. I choose Network Pref on Palm (Zire 71 OS 5). I have chosen both Windows RAS and Missing sync as the service. User name is left blank or I enter my Palm's username, to try that. Connection is CableCradle. Details are PPP, Idle timeout: Never, Query DNS checked, IP Address automatic checked. I click connect and the screen says signing on for 2-3 minutes and then the secondary screen cancels. Anybody spot something wrong? -- Thanks, Jerry Zurek From jdrax at tds.net Sat Apr 24 10:46:53 2004 From: jdrax at tds.net (John R. Draxler) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jerry Try going on the net and downloading the following MAL conduit Do a search for that and it should get you the correct site to download Read the instructions and install as needed I use it and it works fine I have osx and palm zire 71 ----------------------------------------------------------- Thunderbird Ranch 7158 Highway B Pittsville, WI 54466 Ph 715-884-6546 (9-5 central ) fax 715-884-6720 jdrax@tds.net http://www.tbirdranch.com (Subscribe to my free newsletter on my website) And now a second website........ http://www.tbirdhelp.com Have a terrific day and may God guide your footsteps. > From: Jerry Zurek > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Palm OS\) Discussion > List" > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:30:08 -0400 > To: > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared internet > connection for Avantgo > > For about 4-5 months now I have been trying to establish a shared internet > connection in order to use Avantgo, with NO SUCCESS. > > I have no trouble mounting my Palm's expansion card, so that's fine. > > My Mac has internet connections via ethernet and Airport. I use the Ethernet > connection. In my Sharing Preference in System Preferences, both are > checked off and Ethernet has priority. I turn Internet sharing on by > clicking the start button. > > I start Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 and choose Internet Sharing. > > I choose Network Pref on Palm (Zire 71 OS 5). I have chosen both Windows RAS > and Missing sync as the service. User name is left blank or I enter my > Palm's username, to try that. Connection is CableCradle. Details are PPP, > Idle timeout: Never, Query DNS checked, IP Address automatic checked. > > I click connect and the screen says signing on for 2-3 minutes and then the > secondary screen cancels. > > Anybody spot something wrong? > > -- > Thanks, > Jerry Zurek > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From jzurek at cabrini.edu Sat Apr 24 16:44:41 2004 From: jzurek at cabrini.edu (Jerry Zurek) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: <200404241600.i3OG0XIG025709@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: Wish I could report success. I did download the MAL Conduit and installed it. I then went to https://my.avantgo.com/account/downloads.html And downloaded and installed the four .prcs = AvantGo Palm OS 5 Client. I think I configured them according to the directions but no Avantgo activity occurred during hotsync. Am I missing a step. And to be clear, this solution has nothing to do with Missing Sync. It is an alternative procedure. -- Thanks, Jerry Zurek From jdrax at tds.net Sat Apr 24 17:37:14 2004 From: jdrax at tds.net (John R. Draxler) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know that the directions say to only install one of the items for avante go Did you do just that? Did you delete all previous stuff you installed? I am not much of a guru at this palm stuff but when I deleted all old stuff and then installed just as the directions, I was up an running. ----------------------------------------------------------- Thunderbird Ranch 7158 Highway B Pittsville, WI 54466 Ph 715-884-6546 (9-5 central ) fax 715-884-6720 jdrax@tds.net http://www.tbirdranch.com (Subscribe to my free newsletter on my website) And now a second website........ http://www.tbirdhelp.com Have a terrific day and may God guide your footsteps. > From: Jerry Zurek > Reply-To: "The Missing Sync \(Mac/Palm OS\) Discussion > List" > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:44:41 -0400 > To: > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared > internet connection for Avantgo > > Wish I could report success. > > I did download the MAL Conduit and installed it. > I then went to > https://my.avantgo.com/account/downloads.html > And downloaded and installed the four .prcs = AvantGo Palm OS 5 Client. > > I think I configured them according to the directions but no Avantgo > activity occurred during hotsync. > > Am I missing a step. > > And to be clear, this solution has nothing to do with Missing Sync. It is an > alternative procedure. > > -- > Thanks, > Jerry Zurek > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can be found > at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk From ptyrone at dynamicangel.com Sat Apr 24 17:27:34 2004 From: ptyrone at dynamicangel.com (P Tyrone Smith) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is there a way to get the Samsung i500 to work with MAC OS 10.3 yet? Help! -- P Tyrone Smith 415.786.9611 From brian_hall at markspace.com Sat Apr 24 17:57:24 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Is there a way to get the Samsung i500 to work with MAC OS 10.3 yet? Officially, nobody supports the i500 for hotsync at this time (Samsung doesn't support Mac, Sprint/Verizon don't support Mac, PalmOne only supports devices they sell, etc). Unofficially, some people have find that Palm Desktop 4.1 works with it (while others find that they can't get it to work). We are coming out with a new version of Missing Sync for Palm OS later this year that will support all devices with Palm OS 4.0 and up that can sync via USB, Bluetooth or WiFi. The i500, fitting those requirements, should work well with that product. For more info on that project, see www.markspace.com/cobalt.html Bria -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From john at philpin.com Sat Apr 24 20:50:29 2004 From: john at philpin.com (john philpin) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for Avantgo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <502AB5E0-9663-11D8-BC08-000393580EEC@philpin.com> well - i don't know if i am spotting anything wrong - BUT when i origianlly installed missing sync - internet sharing just worked. anout a month ago it stopped. i wrestled for a week - and came across this : http://tinyurl.com/3f829 on the missing sync support site. i followed the instructions - and has worked perfectly ever since. On Apr 24, 2004, at 7:30 AM, Jerry Zurek wrote: > For about 4-5 months now I have been trying to establish a shared > internet > connection in order to use Avantgo, with NO SUCCESS. > > I have no trouble mounting my Palm's expansion card, so that's fine. > > My Mac has internet connections via ethernet and Airport. I use the > Ethernet > connection. In my Sharing Preference in System Preferences, both are > checked off and Ethernet has priority. I turn Internet sharing on by > clicking the start button. > > I start Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 and choose Internet Sharing. > > I choose Network Pref on Palm (Zire 71 OS 5). I have chosen both > Windows RAS > and Missing sync as the service. User name is left blank or I enter my > Palm's username, to try that. Connection is CableCradle. Details are > PPP, > Idle timeout: Never, Query DNS checked, IP Address automatic checked. > > I click connect and the screen says signing on for 2-3 minutes and > then the > secondary screen cancels. > > Anybody spot something wrong? > > -- > Thanks, > Jerry Zurek > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > Unsubcribing information, subscription options and list archives can > be found at: > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > From David.Littleford at Sun.COM Sun Apr 25 14:03:07 2004 From: David.Littleford at Sun.COM (David Littleford - Service Account Manager) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Re: missing-sync-palmos-talk Digest, Vol 11, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200404241600.i3OG0XII025709@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200404241600.i3OG0XII025709@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <408B3173.6030906@sun.com> Jerry, Strangely, I have a Zire 71 and an iBook, and have exactly the same problem. I purchased the Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 at the beginning of the year and have never, ever got it to work. It timeouts rather than connect. I have scoured the help links for a clue, tried may different solutions (ie avantgo server IP address rather than DNS name, port number 443 rather than 80). but never any success. Markspace have been no help at all, and seem to not be willing to invest time in the issue and have little understanding of what goes on beyond their product (ie the MAC and Network) for possible sources of connection interference. Very disappointing. Obviously I will not be a repeat Markspace customer. David missing-sync-palmos-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > Send missing-sync-palmos-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-palmos-talk@lists.markspace.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-palmos-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-palmos-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-palmos-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-palmos-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for > Avantgo (Jerry Zurek) > 2. Re: Trouble establishing a shared internet connection for > Avantgo (John R. Draxler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:30:08 -0400 > From: Jerry Zurek > Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Trouble establishing a shared > internet connection for Avantgo > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > For about 4-5 months now I have been trying to establish a shared internet > connection in order to use Avantgo, with NO SUCCESS. > > I have no trouble mounting my Palm's expansion card, so that's fine. > > My Mac has internet connections via ethernet and Airport. I use the Ethernet > connection. In my Sharing Preference in System Preferences, both are > checked off and Ethernet has priority. I turn Internet sharing on by > clicking the start button. > > I start Missing Sync Net Sharing 1.0 and choose Internet Sharing. > > I choose Network Pref on Palm (Zire 71 OS 5). I have chosen both Windows RAS > and Missing sync as the service. User name is left blank or I enter my > Palm's username, to try that. Connection is CableCradle. Details are PPP, > Idle timeout: Never, Query DNS checked, IP Address automatic checked. > > I click connect and the screen says signing on for 2-3 minutes and then the > secondary screen cancels. > > Anybody spot something wrong? > -- From pianojoyy at ix.netcom.com Sun Apr 25 23:52:53 2004 From: pianojoyy at ix.netcom.com (Priscilla Heffield) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Avantgo USB sync Message-ID: I would like to be able to sync my Tungsten T3 via USB to get web pages and map directions. I've installed Malconduit (to sync my e-mail). What else do I need and where do I get it? What can I expect to be able to get once I do that? Priscilla Heffield, who would love a course on best ways to use a PDA with Mac. From arkady1 at mac.com Thu Apr 29 04:28:20 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PalmOne ... Reaffirms Mac Support!!! - THANK GOD!!! Message-ID: What a relief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......................:):):):):).... http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/27/palmone/ So does it mean that Palm Desktop has now been taken off the death row?:) Does it mean that I have to upgrade my Tungsten T3 to Palm OS 5.2.8 from it's OS 5.2.1 at present to use the new PD 4.2.1?? Is such upgrade even possible? Hope Palm's PR machine goes extra mile in trying to CLARIFY all these Q's, given what a HUGE SCARE they gave the entire Mac-Palm community! Relying on the 2nd hand information, like http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6772 is less than an IDEAL SOLUTION!!! And, if Verizon Wireless offers BlueTooth phones for T3, I'd be really happy... Or I guess they are waiting for the next Treo and such, and all T1-2-3 users to buy into that? But with PD for Mac getting a new, hopefully LONG term lease on life, as a Mac, T3, user, I'll take ANY good news from palm I can get... I am glad that PalmOne has FINALLY seen the light!!! ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From arkady1 at mac.com Thu Apr 29 05:32:05 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? Message-ID: IRONICALLY -- my Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED with anything higher than Mac OS 10.2.6 http://www.palmone.com/us/products/handhelds/tungsten-t3/specs.html which HOPEFULLY means that they simply haven't updated that web page and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com From jason at ophiochos.org.uk Thu Apr 29 15:49:14 2004 From: jason at ophiochos.org.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... try the new PD 4.2.1? the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the installer. From jason at ophiochos.org.uk Thu Apr 29 15:50:15 2004 From: jason at ophiochos.org.uk (Jason Davies) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PalmOne ... Reaffirms Mac Support!!! - THANK GOD!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/27/palmone/ so does this mean MarkSpace have wasted weeks of software coding in preparation for Cobalt? From arkady1 at mac.com Thu Apr 29 14:44:55 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Palm Desktop 4.2.1 Conduits Installation CONFUSING???!!! Message-ID: I saw this at http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/12968 --------- you must disable conduits based on your handheld type ??Paul_Christensen?? Version: 4.2.1, 4/29/2004 08:59AM PST sjonke - in regards to your problems with multiple conduits installed, starting with the Tungsten T3 and Tungsten E, PalmOne released completely new organizer apps. These apps have a different database version, and new capabilities, but they require different conduits. The latest PalmOne devices (Zire72 and Zire31) also include these new organizer apps. Palm Desktop installs both sets of conduits, because it has no way of knowing whether you have a newer device or a classic device. It is up to you to disable the corresponding conduits (go to HotSync manager, change conduit properties to "do nothing" and make that the default). I agree that Palm should have provided some sort of wizard to disable / enable the conduits based on your handheld type. But to be fair, they have the same problem on the Windows version of HotSync as well. And... I applaud PalmOne for its support of Mac OS X by including native conduits for their new organizer apps --------- Boy, sounds like a recipe for a lot of headaches... OBVIOUSLY one MUST BACK UP USERS FOLDER (Documents/Palm/Users) UNDER A SEPARATE NAME, ON DESKTOP, SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET OVERWRITTEN! PalmOne SHOULD offer a detailed information on this PD Upgrade vs. Tungsten T1-2-3 and other PDA's, otherwise they are going to create more phone calls to their Tech Support. Or maybe, they WANT those Tech Support calls, so that they can hit the caller with a $25+ per incident charge, unless one bought a $49 2 year protection Plan (not sure of the details)? Till they CLARIFY ALL THIS, we have bits and pieces of 2nd hand information from http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/12968 http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6772 ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com Powerbook 17 1.33 MHz, Mac OS 10.3.3, Tungsten T3, Palm Desktop 4.1 From david.ceulemans at pandora.be Fri Apr 30 11:36:36 2004 From: david.ceulemans at pandora.be (David Ceulemans) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> On Apr 29, 2004, at 15:49, Jason Davies wrote: >> >> and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... > > > try the new PD 4.2.1? > > the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the > installer. I don't get it... WHAT is not supported concerning the Tungsten T3? I'm working with 10.3 and a T3 without any problems... regards, David Ceulemans From z at zenonez.com Fri Apr 30 11:51:12 2004 From: z at zenonez.com (zeno) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> References: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> Message-ID: <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> >>> and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... >> >> try the new PD 4.2.1? >> the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the >> installer. > > I don't get it... WHAT is not supported concerning the Tungsten T3? > > I'm working with 10.3 and a T3 without any problems... exactly! same here: I sync my T3 under panther since the first day I bought it From amcutting at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 30 11:48:55 2004 From: amcutting at yahoo.co.uk (Alastair Cutting) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> References: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> Message-ID: <98182E5C-9A8B-11D8-929B-000393ABC616@yahoo.co.uk> On Apr 30, 2004, at 09:51, zeno wrote: >>>> and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... >>> >>> try the new PD 4.2.1? >>> the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the >>> installer. >> >> I don't get it... WHAT is not supported concerning the Tungsten T3? >> >> I'm working with 10.3 and a T3 without any problems... > > exactly! same here: I sync my T3 under panther since the first day I > bought it > Well, yes but... I too can sync a T3 on Panther 10.3 - but it is not without problem. Admittedly, I am using iSync, and not Palm Desktop, but frankly the integration with Apple's AddressBook in particular is scant. I am dying for Apple, Palm, or MarkSpace or someone to produce a set of conduits that REALLY work... please... Alastair From z at zenonez.com Fri Apr 30 12:59:28 2004 From: z at zenonez.com (zeno) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:48 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PalmOne ... Reaffirms Mac Support!!! - THANK GOD!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11F09425-9A8D-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> >> http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/27/palmone/ > > > so does this mean MarkSpace have wasted weeks of software coding in > preparation for Cobalt? ??? I really don't think so there's a lot of confusion... so, the facts: - the two new Zire models have OS 5.2.8 => I would say it is "normal" that they syncs with Mac: in fact all the previous OS5-palmone-handhelds sync too (Tungsten T, T2, T3, Zire 71) using PalmDesktop 4 for Mac. - OS 6 (Cobalt) is different. OS6 handhelds won't be able to use the "current" Mac PalmDesktop + HotSyncManager, they'll need something (completely) new. Apparently, nobody wanted to build and support this "new thing" that enables Cobalt<->Mac syncing ("PalmSource drops Mac Synchronization in Cobalt", remember?) and that was the source of all SCARES in the Mac Community. Now, MarkSpace will be the one to build and support that "new thing". So "does this mean MarkSpace have wasted weeks of software coding in preparation for Cobalt?" => answer: NO ;-) Anyway, don't scare: when you'll buy your future Cobalt-handheld, you won't even notice that "someone has dropped Mac support": I'm almost certain that the future Palm-Mac situation will be like this: - you buy the new, let's say, palmOne Tungsten T4 with Cobalt. - you open the box, there's an installation CD. - the CD is Windows and Mac compatible - the CD will install PalmDesktop for Windows, if you have a PC - it will install the "new thing" from MarkSpace ("The Missing Sync for Palm OS Cobalt") if you have a Mac see? the future's bright ;-) sorry for my crap-english zeno http://zenonez.com From david.ceulemans at pandora.be Fri Apr 30 18:10:41 2004 From: david.ceulemans at pandora.be (David Ceulemans) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:49 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: <98182E5C-9A8B-11D8-929B-000393ABC616@yahoo.co.uk> References: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> <98182E5C-9A8B-11D8-929B-000393ABC616@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <8BD81046-9AB8-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> On Apr 30, 2004, at 11:48, Alastair Cutting wrote: > > On Apr 30, 2004, at 09:51, zeno wrote: > >>>>> and there is no mention of T3 Software Upgrade... >>>> >>>> try the new PD 4.2.1? >>>> the only reason it's not supported on X.3 is this bug with the >>>> installer. >>> >>> I don't get it... WHAT is not supported concerning the Tungsten T3? >>> >>> I'm working with 10.3 and a T3 without any problems... >> >> exactly! same here: I sync my T3 under panther since the first day I >> bought it >> > > Well, yes but... > I too can sync a T3 on Panther 10.3 - but it is not without problem. > > Admittedly, I am using iSync, and not Palm Desktop, but frankly the > integration with Apple's AddressBook in particular is scant. I am > dying for Apple, Palm, or MarkSpace or someone to produce a set of > conduits that REALLY work... please... Yes, I'm also using iSync, but as I said, the features that are offered, do work. We are in need of even better integration, that is ineed true, and IMO, what we need most, is decent mailsyncing, since that's lacking completely :( Personally, I feel that Mark/Space, considering they're profiling their products to be THE sync solutions, should take up the challenge to fill the gap. Be it with their own email program, be it with Palm's - I don't care... We just nee good syncing (with attachments) on Palm/Mac... Unfortunately, Mark/Space has commented it won't happen :( regards, David Ceulemans From brian_hall at markspace.com Fri Apr 30 10:28:20 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:49 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Tungsten T3 is STILL UNSUPPORTED above 10.2.6!!!!!?? In-Reply-To: <8BD81046-9AB8-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> References: <7E47DE1A-9A81-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> <886C2274-9A83-11D8-84AC-000393DB400A@zenonez.com> <98182E5C-9A8B-11D8-929B-000393ABC616@yahoo.co.uk> <8BD81046-9AB8-11D8-8FC2-00039378420A@pandora.be> Message-ID: At 5:10 PM +0200 4/30/04, David Ceulemans wrote: >Personally, I feel that Mark/Space, considering they're profiling their >products to be THE sync solutions, should take up the challenge to fill >the gap. Be it with their own email program, be it with Palm's - I >don't care... We just nee good syncing (with attachments) on >Palm/Mac... > >Unfortunately, Mark/Space has commented it won't happen :( We already offer a Palm OS email client that supports attachments, see www.markspace.com/mail.html A 3rd party (www.queuesoft.jp) makes a conduit that will go between Mark/Space Mail and OS X Mail.app. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From arkady1 at mac.com Fri Apr 30 15:01:04 2004 From: arkady1 at mac.com (Arkady) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:49 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] Palm-Mac situation will be like this... ?! In-Reply-To: <200404301633.i3UGXJII032734@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: See the inserted Q's below ? Arkady web site: http://www.arkady.com > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:59:28 +0200 > From: zeno > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-palmos-talk] PalmOne ... Reaffirms Mac > Support!!! - THANK GOD!!! > > - the two new Zire models have OS 5.2.8 => I would say it is "normal" > that they syncs with Mac: in fact all the previous > OS5-palmone-handhelds sync too (Tungsten T, T2, T3, Zire 71) using > PalmDesktop 4 for Mac. OK, I'll ask again - If the new PD 4.2.1 was made with Palm OS 5.2.8 in mind, and my T3 runs Palm OS 5.2.1, will there be any performance difference? > - OS 6 (Cobalt) is different. OS6 handhelds won't be able to use the > "current" Mac PalmDesktop + HotSyncManager, they'll need something > (completely) new. Apparently, nobody wanted to build and support this > "new thing" that enables Cobalt<->Mac syncing ("PalmSource drops Mac > Synchronization in Cobalt", remember?) and that was the source of all > SCARES in the Mac Community. Now, MarkSpace will be the one to build > and support that "new thing". > > So "does this mean MarkSpace have wasted weeks of software coding in > preparation for Cobalt?" => answer: NO > ;-) Right... but it also doesn?t take in account to any and old changes that Apple might make on it's side. Who knows, maybe Apple is preparing it's own PDA? We'll never know what's going on behind the closed corp. doors:) > > Anyway, don't scare: when you'll buy your future Cobalt-handheld, you > won't even notice that "someone has dropped Mac support": We can only hope so... > > I'm almost certain that the future Palm-Mac situation will be like this: > > - you buy the new, let's say, palmOne Tungsten T4 with Cobalt. > - you open the box, there's an installation CD. > - the CD is Windows and Mac compatible > - the CD will install PalmDesktop for Windows, if you have a PC > - it will install the "new thing" from MarkSpace ("The Missing Sync for > Palm OS Cobalt") if you have a Mac > > see? > the future's bright > > ;-) > > sorry for my crap-english > > zeno > http://zenonez.com but... what about Palm Desktop? If it's not developed, or a replacement is offered for it, then it's Now Up To Date, or Entourage, or Apple's Address Book and iCal which don't have much of a Memo's Component, i.e. that's not a real PIM. Entourage is WAY too FAT, and, with it's Database often needing a Rebuild, or a Complex Rebuild, I am don't want to risk putting ALL my PIM Data into ONE Entourage Basket, where you can't really get under the hood...:) NUTD doesn't even Memos(Notes), and they are not even promising it by SF Macworld next January! What about T3's and Cobalt? T3 has a Flashable ROM, but I guess PalmOne won't make a T3 Update, in order to encourage us to buy the newer Cobalt PDA's, while we give our T3's to Window's friends, since their Palm Desktop will go on, unlike our Mac PD... My plan -- use PD 4.1 or 4.2.1 till it no longer works with my T3 and Panther 10.3.3 and higher. After that, we'll see. Hopefully PalmOne, PalmSource etc. will survive in the market place and we still have our PDA's or SmartPhone's to work with our Mac's. For as long as iPod, Apple, are STRONG, we'll get respect from Palm and other vendors etc. The same goes for online banking etc. where only Explorer is supported. Palm FAILED to reach to the masses, because they were too busy chasing the corporate sales, where they could sell in bulk. Palm's lack of clarity about it's products doesn't help either. They probably assumed that they'd be selling only to geeks, who in turn would educate the rest of us in lieu of Palm For Dummies... Palm could have been MUCH better at EDUCATING people. No wonder their sales are NOWHERE NEAR where they could have been. People on the street are simply intimidated... Not everyone is savvy enough... Palm could have learned from Apple, and it's .Mac Online Tutorials... Arkady