From conrad at fringehead.org Fri Sep 8 15:42:18 2006 From: conrad at fringehead.org (Conrad Heiney) Date: Fri Sep 8 15:42:09 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? Message-ID: When I attempt to sync I get a "cannot connect to server" message with a null response in the logs, i.e., not an authorization failure. Are the sync servers known to be down? --------------------------------------------- Conrad Heiney conrad@fringehead.org A man, a plan, a cat, a canal. Panama? From gregm36 at mac.com Sat Sep 9 04:26:10 2006 From: gregm36 at mac.com (Gregory Morse) Date: Sat Sep 9 04:26:03 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11157360.1157801170274.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> Conrad the program is defective. there are probably no servers down, this program quit working for me in April. I have found the company to be VERY unhelpful and indifferent to these and the myriad of other issues. Good luck. Greg Sidekicks Ronald Koertge * They were never handsome and often came with a hormone imbalance manifested by corpulence, a yodel of a voice or ears big as kidneys. But each was brave. More than once a sidekick has thrown himself in front of our hero in order to receive the bullet or blow meant for that perfect face and body. Thankfully, heroes never die in movies and leave the sidekick alone. He would not stand for it. Gabby or Pat, Pancho or Andy remind us of a part of ourselves, the dependent part that can never grow up, the part that is painfully eager to please, always wants a hug and never gets enough. Who could sit in a darkened theatre, listen to the organ music and watch the best of ourselves lowered into the ground while the rest stood up there, tears pouring off that enormous nose. From conrad at fringehead.org Sat Sep 9 05:16:54 2006 From: conrad at fringehead.org (Conrad Heiney) Date: Sat Sep 9 05:16:49 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? In-Reply-To: <11157360.1157801170274.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> References: <11157360.1157801170274.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> Message-ID: The problem was, in fact, accidentally unchecked boxes in the preferences for SSL so that I wasn't able to connect. You're right that there are unfixed bugs with Missing Sync for Hiptop and that it has been in many ways a frustrating program. This mistake, however, was mine; just wanted to set that part of it straight. Also: wow, that's a long .sig. On Sep 9, 2006, at 4:26 AM, Gregory Morse wrote: > the program is defective. there are probably no servers down, > this program quit working for me in April. I have found the company > to be VERY unhelpful and indifferent to these and the myriad of > other issues. --------------------------------------------- Conrad Heiney conrad@fringehead.org A man, a plan, a cat, a canal. Panama? From gsslist+hipsync at anthropohedron.net Sat Sep 9 07:43:42 2006 From: gsslist+hipsync at anthropohedron.net (Gregory Seidman) Date: Sat Sep 9 07:43:41 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? In-Reply-To: <11157360.1157801170274.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> References: <11157360.1157801170274.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060909144342.GB11338@anthropohedron.net> On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 06:26:10AM -0500, Gregory Morse wrote: } Conrad } the program is defective. there are probably no servers down, this } program quit working for me in April. I have found the company to be VERY } unhelpful and indifferent to these and the myriad of other issues. Good } luck. Greg Greg. Buddy. Pal. Look, I know it gave you trouble. You had a bad experience, more than once. Mark/Space may not have hammered out all the bugs, but by that measure 99.99% of software systems running in the world are "defective." The fact of the matter is that it does work quite well for many people. It hasn't given me trouble yet, for example. The point I'm trying to make here is that responding to everyone who posts to the list with your pissing and moaning is at least as unhelpful as Mark/Space, Danger, or T-Mobile have been to you. You aren't making a stand for the little guy, or for yourself. You aren't making a positive impact in the world. You aren't making Mark/Space, Danger, or T-Mobile do anything any differently from how they have in the past. All you are doing is pissing and moaning in the dark, and you are pissing on all the rest of us. Succintly: shut it. --Greg From mkb_cbr at mac.com Sat Sep 9 11:40:14 2006 From: mkb_cbr at mac.com (Mike Brodhead) Date: Sat Sep 9 11:40:05 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? In-Reply-To: <20060909144342.GB11338@anthropohedron.net> References: <11157360.1157801170274.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> <20060909144342.GB11338@anthropohedron.net> Message-ID: <3DB9401D-2CA6-4088-83BF-857B4303EDEF@mac.com> On Sep 9, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Gregory Seidman wrote: > Succintly: shut it. My experience was largely the same as that of Greg Morse and I eventually gave up. My girlfriend was much more patent and kept working with support to resolve her issues. Mark/Space eventually just refunded her money, in lieu of actually solving the problems. You are quite right that all software has defects. I've never found a perfect app. I'm a professional programmer myself, and my software has defects, too. There are degrees of defects, though. For many of us, Missing Sync for Hiptop has proven so defective that we had to give up using it. While I've had decent experiences getting support for Missing Sync for Palm, I've yet to read of somebody having similar luck with support for Missing Sync for Hiptop. No doubt it has happened, but I've only seen the negatives. I'm glad Conrad's problem had a straightforward solution and that Hiptop sync is working for him. While Hiptop sync was working for me, it was a wonderful thing. I'm also that that the other Greg related his own experience and gave Conrad fair warning of what he might be up against. As for pissing and moaning in the dark, you may recall that this list is hosted by Mark/Space. While they haven't been as responsive as I would like, they have occasionally been responsive to the list. While they might not address the concerns we bring up, if we don't bring the concerns up at all, the odds of getting them addressed get a lot worse. Succinctly: I hear where you are coming from, but Mr. Morse has a legitimate point. --mkb PS: If I've ditched my Hiptop, why am I still on the list? There are a few reasons. For one, I still hold out hope that the program will improve. I also glean the occasional PDA-related tidbit. Anyway, the traffic is pretty low, so staying on the list is no bother. From gregm36 at mac.com Sat Sep 9 17:30:08 2006 From: gregm36 at mac.com (Gregory Morse) Date: Sat Sep 9 17:29:57 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? In-Reply-To: <20060909144342.GB11338@anthropohedron.net> References: <11157360.1157801170274.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> <20060909144342.GB11338@anthropohedron.net> Message-ID: <4680282.1157848208175.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> WOW Thanks Dude for the heads up. Facts are facts and the product is defective and should be either fixed or no longer sold. Tell you what you send me a check for the program and the time I spent trying to sort this out and I will " shut it" until them....shoot!!!!! you can't see my hand just let me say the ride stops at the elbow. ALL MY BESTS Greg Sidekicks Ronald Koertge * They were never handsome and often came with a hormone imbalance manifested by corpulence, a yodel of a voice or ears big as kidneys. But each was brave. More than once a sidekick has thrown himself in front of our hero in order to receive the bullet or blow meant for that perfect face and body. Thankfully, heroes never die in movies and leave the sidekick alone. He would not stand for it. Gabby or Pat, Pancho or Andy remind us of a part of ourselves, the dependent part that can never grow up, the part that is painfully eager to please, always wants a hug and never gets enough. Who could sit in a darkened theatre, listen to the organ music and watch the best of ourselves lowered into the ground while the rest stood up there, tears pouring off that enormous nose. From mkb_cbr at mac.com Sat Sep 9 18:43:02 2006 From: mkb_cbr at mac.com (Mike Brodhead) Date: Sat Sep 9 18:42:54 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? In-Reply-To: <4680282.1157848208175.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> References: <11157360.1157801170274.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> <20060909144342.GB11338@anthropohedron.net> <4680282.1157848208175.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> Message-ID: On Sep 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Gregory Morse wrote: > Tell you what you send me a check for the program and the time I > spent trying to sort this out [snip] Heh. You and me both, buddy. Good point. Bruce Schneier occasionally makes the case that software publishers should be held liable for their mistakes. Right now, the market rewards speed and feature bullet points. The software market actually punishes quality to some extent. --mkb From dankatz at mac.com Sun Sep 10 12:04:39 2006 From: dankatz at mac.com (Katz Dan) Date: Sun Sep 10 12:04:35 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200609101900.k8AJ0NM1004705@sparrow.markspace.com> References: <200609101900.k8AJ0NM1004705@sparrow.markspace.com> Message-ID: I'd be more forgiving to Mark/Space if they'd at LEAST comment on the problem. But they don't say a damn thing, so they get the finger, and all the associated flaming trimmings. DK On Sep 10, 2006, at 3:00 PM, missing-sync-hiptop-talk- request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > Send missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-hiptop-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: danger/t-mobile servers down? (Gregory Morse) > 2. Re: danger/t-mobile servers down? (Mike Brodhead) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:30:08 -0500 > From: Gregory Morse > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? > To: The Missing Sync for hiptop Discussion List > > Message-ID: <4680282.1157848208175.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > WOW > Thanks Dude for the heads up. Facts are facts and the product is > defective and should be either fixed or no longer sold. Tell you > what you send me a check for the program and the time I spent > trying to sort this out and I will " shut it" until > them....shoot!!!!! you can't see my hand just let me say the ride > stops at the elbow. ALL MY BESTS Greg > > Sidekicks > Ronald Koertge * > > They were never handsome and often came > with a hormone imbalance manifested by corpulence, > a yodel of a voice or ears big as kidneys. > But each was brave. More than once a sidekick > has thrown himself in front of our hero in order > to receive the bullet or blow meant for that > perfect face and body. > Thankfully, heroes never die in movies and leave > the sidekick alone. He would not stand for it. > Gabby or Pat, Pancho or Andy remind us of a part > of ourselves, the dependent part that can never grow up, > the part that is painfully eager to please, > always wants a hug and never gets enough. > Who could sit in a darkened theatre, listen > to the organ music and watch the best > of ourselves lowered into the ground while > the rest stood up there, tears pouring off > that enormous nose. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:43:02 -0700 > From: Mike Brodhead > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? > To: The Missing Sync for hiptop Discussion List > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Sep 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Gregory Morse wrote: > >> Tell you what you send me a check for the program and the time I >> spent trying to sort this out > [snip] > > Heh. You and me both, buddy. Good point. > > Bruce Schneier occasionally makes the case that software publishers > should be held liable for their mistakes. Right now, the market > rewards speed and feature bullet points. The software market > actually punishes quality to some extent. > > --mkb > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > To unsubscribe, send an email (no subject required) from your > subscribed email address to: > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-leave@lists.markspace.com > > End of missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2 > ******************************************************* From chade at mac.com Sun Sep 10 12:14:42 2006 From: chade at mac.com (chad einbinder) Date: Sun Sep 10 12:14:35 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200609101900.k8AJ0NMG004705@sparrow.markspace.com> References: <200609101900.k8AJ0NMG004705@sparrow.markspace.com> Message-ID: <4061CA0B-0A59-440B-BD53-3EC8C994B845@mac.com> I couldn't agree more. Markspace lost my business for ever. And I go out of my way to tell every-user on every list I frequent on every forum I post to that Markspace is a lousy company that ripped me and others off. They are on my shit list. Period. I work it in to every tech conversation I can. That's my right as an abused abandoned end user. Period. if someone on this list want to kiss their ass fine. That's your right too. hey, I'm not saying their not nice people. I've met them at Macworld. I'm sure they all have families and vote and enjoy the fourth of july, etc etc. the kiss babies like everyone else. They just have no idea how to run a company and I hope that they go out of business and or sell to someone who can at least support products by todays industry standards to people who have paid money and deserve no less. I "pissed and moaned in the dark" on their Palm list and they unreg'd me. I expect the same after this posting. quite frankly. I no longer care. They are just that worthless. I will continue to bad mouth them which they totally deserve until I read online that they have gone out of business. I guarantee you I have cost them business. On Sep 10, 2006, at 12:00 PM, missing-sync-hiptop-talk- request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > Send missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-hiptop-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: danger/t-mobile servers down? (Gregory Morse) > 2. Re: danger/t-mobile servers down? (Mike Brodhead) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:30:08 -0500 > From: Gregory Morse > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? > To: The Missing Sync for hiptop Discussion List > > Message-ID: <4680282.1157848208175.JavaMail.gregm36@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > WOW > Thanks Dude for the heads up. Facts are facts and the product is > defective and should be either fixed or no longer sold. Tell you > what you send me a check for the program and the time I spent > trying to sort this out and I will " shut it" until > them....shoot!!!!! you can't see my hand just let me say the ride > stops at the elbow. ALL MY BESTS Greg > > Sidekicks > Ronald Koertge * > > They were never handsome and often came > with a hormone imbalance manifested by corpulence, > a yodel of a voice or ears big as kidneys. > But each was brave. More than once a sidekick > has thrown himself in front of our hero in order > to receive the bullet or blow meant for that > perfect face and body. > Thankfully, heroes never die in movies and leave > the sidekick alone. He would not stand for it. > Gabby or Pat, Pancho or Andy remind us of a part > of ourselves, the dependent part that can never grow up, > the part that is painfully eager to please, > always wants a hug and never gets enough. > Who could sit in a darkened theatre, listen > to the organ music and watch the best > of ourselves lowered into the ground while > the rest stood up there, tears pouring off > that enormous nose. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:43:02 -0700 > From: Mike Brodhead > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] danger/t-mobile servers down? > To: The Missing Sync for hiptop Discussion List > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > On Sep 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Gregory Morse wrote: > >> Tell you what you send me a check for the program and the time I >> spent trying to sort this out > [snip] > > Heh. You and me both, buddy. Good point. > > Bruce Schneier occasionally makes the case that software publishers > should be held liable for their mistakes. Right now, the market > rewards speed and feature bullet points. The software market > actually punishes quality to some extent. > > --mkb > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > To unsubscribe, send an email (no subject required) from your > subscribed email address to: > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-leave@lists.markspace.com > > End of missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2 > ******************************************************* From mkb_cbr at mac.com Sun Sep 10 15:43:38 2006 From: mkb_cbr at mac.com (Mike Brodhead) Date: Sun Sep 10 15:43:32 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <4061CA0B-0A59-440B-BD53-3EC8C994B845@mac.com> References: <200609101900.k8AJ0NMG004705@sparrow.markspace.com> <4061CA0B-0A59-440B-BD53-3EC8C994B845@mac.com> Message-ID: <20566202-486E-4522-B8C2-5DCCA31F7D30@mac.com> On Sep 10, 2006, at 12:14 PM, chad einbinder wrote: > I couldn't agree more. Markspace lost my business for ever. That was a great little rant. Would you mind if I reposted it to my blog? I'll replace your name and email with "someone on the missing- sync-hiptop-talk list" unless you'd prefer otherwise. --mkb From eullman at markspace.com Fri Sep 29 11:54:43 2006 From: eullman at markspace.com (Eric Ullman) Date: Fri Sep 29 11:55:26 2006 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Mark/Space Discontinues Missing Sync for hiptop Message-ID: Greetings, Mark/Space regretfully announces that The Missing Sync for hiptop (T-Mobile Sidekick) has been discontinued. It is unfortunate, but the market for this product does not support continued development. The Missing Sync for hiptop will continue to sync with carriers' servers as long as Danger and their carriers support the existing sync protocol. Mark/Space will continue to offer email and web-based customer support for this product until September 30, 2007. Mark/Space will automatically process refunds for all Missing Sync for hiptop purchases made during September, 2006. Refunds will take a few days to process and should then appear on customers' credit card accounts. For customers who made their purchase outside of the refund period, Mark/Space is offering a special $10 crossgrade price for either the Palm OS or Windows Mobile editions of The Missing Sync, allowing customers to apply the full purchase price of their hiptop edition to another smartphone sync product. Interested customers can visit to learn more. Now that the hiptop edition of The Missing Sync is no longer a current product, we will be closing down this mailing list. Thank you for your participation, and we are sorry that things didn't work out for this product. Best regards, Eric -- Eric Ullman Director of Marketing Mark/Space, Inc. eullman@markspace.com