From jon at schalliol.com Sun May 9 14:00:53 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Sun May 9 13:01:12 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? Message-ID: Ok, it's been a looong time since any update. What's going on? Clearly M/S must know more than that the changes will be made to make hiptop sync at some point. From asr at latency.net Mon May 10 15:58:23 2004 From: asr at latency.net (Adam Rothschild) Date: Mon May 10 11:58:31 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> On 2004-05-09-16:00:53, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: > Ok, it's been a looong time since any update. What's going on? > Clearly M/S must know more than that the changes will be made to > make hiptop sync at some point. My understanding is they're waiting on T-Mobile to implement some server-side changes on their end, including (but perhaps not limited to) supporting third-party applications and billing as part of the Catalog. I'm sure they'd like to fill us in, but are unable to as a result of whatever NDA(s) they've signed with Danger and T-Mobile. The MarkSpace folks have a solid reputation with their other sync products. I highly doubt they're making a conscious effort to keep us in the dark, and generally alienate themselves from prospective customers, or anything... -a From wilcox at unm.edu Mon May 10 17:54:03 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Mon May 10 15:54:12 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> Message-ID: <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> Adam said: >The MarkSpace folks have a solid reputation with their other sync >products. I highly doubt they're making a conscious effort to keep us >in the dark, and generally alienate themselves from prospective >customers, or anything... I agree with this assessment. And I for one hold no grudge against M/S. If I ever need one of their products I won't hesitate to purchase it. However, I am going to jump ship on Sidekick/T-Mobile just as soon as a good alternative comes along. I'm tired of the way they treat their customers. -- Sherman From stevenf at panic.com Mon May 10 17:17:03 2004 From: stevenf at panic.com (Steven Frank) Date: Mon May 10 16:17:10 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> I emailed T-Mobile the other day to see if I could get any information on when the Sidekick PIM syncing interface would be turned on. You can probably guess how that turned out. The front-line rep told me they were forwarding the message to the "Data Services Department", who in turn responded that they'd never heard of any such thing. Yaargh. Anyone else want to give it a shot? Maybe sooner or later we'll get the one guy who knows something. Steven http://stevenf.com/ From arlo at workthatmouse.com Mon May 10 17:39:24 2004 From: arlo at workthatmouse.com (Arlo Rose) Date: Mon May 10 16:39:30 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> Message-ID: <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> On May 10, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Steven Frank wrote: > Anyone else want to give it a shot? Maybe sooner or later we'll get > the one guy who knows something. The official, unofficial word is that it's a pricing issue. T-Mobile isn't sure how to charge us for synching yet. The system has been in place and ready to go for a few months now, but they just can't get their act together to figure out how to monazite the feature. Cheers, Arlo Rose -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2373 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040510/f96362b2/smime.bin From staffin at uiuc.edu Mon May 10 19:43:45 2004 From: staffin at uiuc.edu (Ben Staffin) Date: Mon May 10 16:43:49 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> Message-ID: <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> * Arlo Rose [2004-05-10 18:39] wibbled: > On May 10, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Steven Frank wrote: > > >Anyone else want to give it a shot? Maybe sooner or later we'll get > >the one guy who knows something. > > The official, unofficial word is that it's a pricing issue. T-Mobile > isn't sure how to charge us for synching yet. > > The system has been in place and ready to go for a few months now, but > they just can't get their act together to figure out how to monazite > the feature. Here's hoping that the pricing isn't as stupid as the rest of the current catalog. $9.99 for the ssh client which was previously free? $1.69 for a five second sound clip of a cow mooing? You've got to be kidding me. I don't have my hopes up, though. I'm counting on syncing being a recurring monthly fee, just high enough to annoy me. -- /-- | Ben Staffin perpetual nerd | --/ From toddinsb at cox.net Tue May 11 10:58:00 2004 From: toddinsb at cox.net (Todd Dabney) Date: Tue May 11 10:00:48 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Does anyone know why missing sync has to use t-mobile at all? I mean we all have a USB cable for this device, is it totally impossible to just send the data straight to the sidekick and then the sidekick will back it up online automatcially like it always does. If anyone can answer this it would be greatly appreciated On May 10, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Ben Staffin wrote: > * Arlo Rose [2004-05-10 18:39] wibbled: >> On May 10, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Steven Frank wrote: >> >>> Anyone else want to give it a shot? Maybe sooner or later we'll get >>> the one guy who knows something. >> >> The official, unofficial word is that it's a pricing issue. T-Mobile >> isn't sure how to charge us for synching yet. >> >> The system has been in place and ready to go for a few months now, but >> they just can't get their act together to figure out how to monazite >> the feature. > > Here's hoping that the pricing isn't as stupid as the rest of the > current catalog. $9.99 for the ssh client which was previously free? > $1.69 for a five second sound clip of a cow mooing? You've got to be > kidding me. > > I don't have my hopes up, though. I'm counting on syncing being a > recurring monthly fee, just high enough to annoy me. > > -- > /-- > | Ben Staffin > perpetual nerd | > --/ > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From stevenf at panic.com Tue May 11 11:58:34 2004 From: stevenf at panic.com (Steven Frank) Date: Tue May 11 10:58:41 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone know why missing sync has to use t-mobile at all? I mean > we all have a USB cable for this device, is it totally impossible to > just send the data straight to the sidekick and then the sidekick will > back it up online automatcially like it always does. If anyone can > answer this it would be greatly appreciated Unfortunately, it's not possible. The USB interface is not exposed to third-party developers and the only support for it built into the OS proper is to restore the flash ROM in case it gets corrupted somehow. Steven http://stevenf.com/ From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Tue May 11 16:06:39 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Tue May 11 12:06:45 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 10:58:34AM -0700, Steven Frank wrote: } >Does anyone know why missing sync has to use t-mobile at all? I mean } >we all have a USB cable for this device, is it totally impossible to } >just send the data straight to the sidekick and then the sidekick will } >back it up online automatcially like it always does. If anyone can } >answer this it would be greatly appreciated } } Unfortunately, it's not possible. The USB interface is not exposed to } third-party developers and the only support for it built into the OS } proper is to restore the flash ROM in case it gets corrupted somehow. While M/S can't do anything about that problem, it is pretty clear that Danger can. I don't know what kind of contract M/S and Danger have, if any, but I would hope that they have some sort of leverage to push Danger into providing synchronization support on their end one way or another. On the other hand, there are political realities. While T-Mobile isn't the biggest provider out there, it's pretty big and it's the only one on the East coast that supports the Hiptop. Danger has to be careful not to piss them off. Doing an end-run around T-Mobile's billing plan is entirely too likely to piss them off. I'm sure the folks at Danger want to give us synchronization capabilities months ago, and are happy to have a third-party developer taking care of it. } Steven --Greg From jon at schalliol.com Tue May 11 13:26:06 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Tue May 11 12:26:26 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <200405111901.i4BJ0sH3004279@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200405111901.i4BJ0sH3004279@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: It's bullshit if T-Mobile wants to charge us for syncing. We either buy the program from M/S for their price and sync or they can offer something. Why should we pay to exchange our data. Does Apple or IBM charge for use of the Internet, Microsoft? Of course not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040511/dcafa1e4/attachment.htm From wilcox at unm.edu Tue May 11 15:01:14 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Tue May 11 13:01:26 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040511210114.10953@smtp.comcast.net> Jonathan said: >It's bullshit if T-Mobile wants to charge us for syncing. Which is why I think I see a Treo in my future. -- Sherman From bb at g2meyer.com Tue May 11 14:40:40 2004 From: bb at g2meyer.com (Gordon Meyer) Date: Tue May 11 13:40:52 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <77393322-A38B-11D8-8C6E-0003939CD472@g2meyer.com> And I, for one, have no interest in having to cable my Sidekick to a computer in order to synch it. That's so last century. :-) M/S and Danger are taking the right approach, IMO, let's just hope that T-Mobile and the other carriers get on board soon. From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Tue May 11 18:05:15 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Tue May 11 14:05:28 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <77393322-A38B-11D8-8C6E-0003939CD472@g2meyer.com> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> <77393322-A38B-11D8-8C6E-0003939CD472@g2meyer.com> Message-ID: <20040511210515.GA30688@cs.brown.edu> On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 01:40:40PM -0700, Gordon Meyer wrote: } And I, for one, have no interest in having to cable my Sidekick to a } computer in order to synch it. There is a certain appeal to being able to sync with a machine that isn't network connected, such as a laptop that doesn't happen to be near a wireless hotspot or ethernet cable. There are even a few people out there who use dialup, and might find syncing over the net unpleasantly slow. There are good reasons to want syncing directly through a cable to the device. In addition, it would be *really* nice to be able to use the GPRS capabilities of the hiptop from a laptop on the road. There are plenty of phones out there that can do it via Bluetooth. If only Danger would expose the interface to the USB port... } That's so last century. :-) M/S and Danger are taking the right } approach, IMO, let's just hope that T-Mobile and the other carriers get } on board soon. It's the right approach, but it is hardly a one-size-fits-all approach. --Greg From toddinsb at cox.net Wed May 12 14:21:50 2004 From: toddinsb at cox.net (Todd Dabney) Date: Wed May 12 13:22:05 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for this service? > Unfortunately, it's not possible. The USB interface is not exposed to > third-party developers and the only support for it built into the OS > proper is to restore the flash ROM in case it gets corrupted somehow. You can use the usb interface to upload software you develop if you unlock the O.S. So i'm sure you can write data into the system. > While M/S can't do anything about that problem, it is pretty clear that > Danger can. I don't know what kind of contract M/S and Danger have, if > any, but I would hope that they have some sort of leverage to push > Danger into providing synchronization support on their end one way or > another. > > On the other hand, there are political realities. While T-Mobile isn't > the biggest provider out there, it's pretty big and it's the only one > on > the East coast that supports the Hiptop. Danger has to be careful not > to > piss them off. Doing an end-run around T-Mobile's billing plan is > entirely too likely to piss them off. I'm sure the folks at Danger want > to give us synchronization capabilities months ago, and are happy to > have a third-party developer taking care of it. > > } Steven > --Greg > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 15:35:10 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed May 12 13:35:20 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> References: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> Todd said: >wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is >pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can >simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there >microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be >put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for >this service? Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my Calendar. So, using these, I can upload my addresses and appointments, for free, using the Desktop Interface. The problem is it's a pain, so I end up not doing it regularly. And it works in only one direction, so it's not really syncing. If I enter an appointment in the SideKick, there's no way to sync it to my Mac. If Handspring releases a Treo 610 with Bluetooth, I'm outta here both for Danger and T-Mobile (though I might still be a Mark/Space customer in this case). -- Sherman From toddinsb at cox.net Wed May 12 14:37:18 2004 From: toddinsb at cox.net (Todd Dabney) Date: Wed May 12 13:37:29 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> References: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2910B0B3-A454-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> could you tell me where to get such applescripts? On May 12, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > Todd said: > >> wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is >> pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can >> simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there >> microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be >> put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for >> this service? > > Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts > that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to > the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my > Calendar. > So, using these, I can upload my addresses and appointments, for free, > using the Desktop Interface. > > The problem is it's a pain, so I end up not doing it regularly. And it > works in only one direction, so it's not really syncing. If I enter an > appointment in the SideKick, there's no way to sync it to my Mac. > > If Handspring releases a Treo 610 with Bluetooth, I'm outta here both > for > Danger and T-Mobile (though I might still be a Mark/Space customer in > this case). > > -- > Sherman > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 15:37:57 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed May 12 13:38:03 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040512213757.27746@smtp.comcast.net> Sherman said: >Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts >that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to >the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my Calendar. Sorry, I should have been clearer: the second script works with iCal. -- Sherman From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Wed May 12 17:44:15 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Wed May 12 13:44:17 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20040512204415.GA1975@cs.brown.edu> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 01:21:50PM -0700, Todd Dabney wrote: } wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is } pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can } simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there } microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be } put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for } this service? You are, indeed, wrong. While you can upload a variety of information to Danger's site (and, therefore, your phone), there is no roundtrip -- you can't get that information back. I actually pulled together all the contact information I had into a CSV file suitable for upload and uploaded it, but the only forms I have it in are on the phone itself and several loose text files. I am much more interested in syncing *to* my Mac, not from it. Even once I've done the initial sync, I am much more likely to update information on the phone when I see someone in person than I am to update anything directly on my Mac. } >Unfortunately, it's not possible. The USB interface is not exposed to } >third-party developers and the only support for it built into the OS } >proper is to restore the flash ROM in case it gets corrupted somehow. } } You can use the usb interface to upload software you develop if you } unlock the O.S. So i'm sure you can write data into the system. It is technically feasible for Danger to provide an interface, but as I mentioned... } >While M/S can't do anything about that problem, it is pretty clear } >that Danger can. I don't know what kind of contract M/S and Danger } >have, if any, but I would hope that they have some sort of leverage } >to push Danger into providing synchronization support on their end } >one way or another. } > } >On the other hand, there are political realities. While T-Mobile } >isn't the biggest provider out there, it's pretty big and it's the } >only one on the East coast that supports the Hiptop. Danger has to be } >careful not to piss them off. Doing an end-run around T-Mobile's } >billing plan is entirely too likely to piss them off. I'm sure the } >folks at Danger want to give us synchronization capabilities months } >ago, and are happy to have a third-party developer taking care of it. ...it probably isn't politically feasible. } >} Steven } >--Greg --Greg From envaffairs at mac.com Wed May 12 14:52:42 2004 From: envaffairs at mac.com (Howard Berman) Date: Wed May 12 13:52:48 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> References: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FD77AC2-A456-11D8-9CA3-003065F94BCE@mac.com> Also, Epicad is releasing software that will allow mac syncing for Blackberries. Howard On May 12, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > Todd said: > >> wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is >> pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can >> simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there >> microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be >> put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for >> this service? > > Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts > that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to > the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my > Calendar. > So, using these, I can upload my addresses and appointments, for free, > using the Desktop Interface. > > The problem is it's a pain, so I end up not doing it regularly. And it > works in only one direction, so it's not really syncing. If I enter an > appointment in the SideKick, there's no way to sync it to my Mac. > > If Handspring releases a Treo 610 with Bluetooth, I'm outta here both > for > Danger and T-Mobile (though I might still be a Mark/Space customer in > this case). > > -- > Sherman > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > Howard Berman, President Environmental Mediation Inc. 4695 MacArthur Court, Suite 1250 Newport Beach, CA 92660 (O) (949) 476-9109 (C) (202) 361-6369 Confidentiality note: This electronic message transmission contains information which may be confidential or privileged.? The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify us by telephone at (1-949-476-9109) immediately. ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2124 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040512/02e4ed6f/attachment.bin From Sandra.Frias at mtvstaff.com Wed May 12 17:54:43 2004 From: Sandra.Frias at mtvstaff.com (Frias, Sandra - MTVN) Date: Wed May 12 13:54:19 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? Message-ID: So are you saying I can transfer all of my contacts from my sidekick to my address book on my MAC G5? > ---------- > From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com on > behalf of Sherman Wilcox > Reply To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:37 PM > To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? > > Sherman said: > > >Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts > >that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to > >the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my Calendar. > > Sorry, I should have been clearer: the second script works with iCal. > > -- > Sherman > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040512/229d1b8a/attachment.htm From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 16:23:34 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed May 12 14:23:44 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <4FD77AC2-A456-11D8-9CA3-003065F94BCE@mac.com> References: <4FD77AC2-A456-11D8-9CA3-003065F94BCE@mac.com> Message-ID: <20040512222334.726@smtp.comcast.net> Howard said: >Also, Epicad is releasing software that will allow mac syncing for >Blackberries. Interesting. -- Sherman From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 16:24:19 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed May 12 14:24:27 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040512222419.6277@smtp.comcast.net> Frias, said: >So are you saying I can transfer all of my contacts from my sidekick to my >address book on my MAC G5? No, I'm saying that you can transfer all of your contacts from your Address Book to the Sidekick. Not the other way. -- Sherman From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 16:29:49 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed May 12 14:29:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <2910B0B3-A454-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> References: <2910B0B3-A454-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20040512222949.21293@smtp.comcast.net> Todd said: >could you tell me where to get such applescripts? The iCal script is here: The Address Book script is here: -- Sherman From missingsync at sean-graham.com Thu May 13 00:54:11 2004 From: missingsync at sean-graham.com (Sean Graham) Date: Wed May 12 20:54:16 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040512204415.GA1975@cs.brown.edu> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040512204415.GA1975@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <20040513035410.GA7765@csh.rit.edu> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 04:44:15PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote: > I am much more interested in syncing *to* my Mac, not from it. Even once > I've done the initial sync, I am much more likely to update information > on the phone when I see someone in person than I am to update anything > directly on my Mac. I think we are all getting hung up on language: Syncing: - Short for Synchronizing - Provides a way to ensure that two (or more) databases contain the same data, as well as providing a method to merge changes in both directions. In this situation, the first DB resides on Danger's, the other DB is the Apple PIM software (iCal, Address Book, etc.). (It is interesting to note that your hiptop is constantly syncing with Dangers servers, which is why changes made on the Desktop Interface webpage appear almost instantly on the hiptop and vice versa) Importing: - A one time method for moving data between applications. - Danger provides support for importing data stored in CSV files, but it doesn't do well with resolving conflicts (one of the "new" address entries in the CSV file is already contained with the Danger DB). Syncing is a fluid, two-way process of ensuring that two databases are "mirroring" each other, just as the Desktop Interface and the hiptop device does. While I am replying: As far as the comment (from another poster) to the effect "Developers can upload applications so they must be able to upload data to the address book", this is just an ignorant statement. One definitely does not imply the other. Danger provides a mechanism to upload applications, but does not provide (or has obscured) a mechanism to edit the PIM data. sean -- Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu http://www.sean-graham.com/ From rmarquez at mac.com Thu May 13 10:11:39 2004 From: rmarquez at mac.com (Roy Marquez) Date: Thu May 13 06:11:41 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: May 9th, What's the Status? Message-ID: <5354623.1084453899155.JavaMail.rmarquez@mac.com> >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:54:43 -0400 >From: "Frias, Sandra - MTVN" >Subject: RE: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? >To: "'The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List'" > >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >So are you saying I can transfer all of my contacts from my sidekick to my >address book on my MAC G5? > Sandra: The scripts that were mentioned only work one way - from the Mac to the Sidekick, not the other way around. On a related note to the rest of the list subscribers, I thought I read somewhere in an online forum that T-Mobile doesn't quite have it all figured out how they wanted to charge us - but it would REALLY suck if sync had to be a recurring fee. I was hoping that you would buy the M/S software and that would be the end of that. But then again, with the whole ringtone snafu, TMobile wants to milk our pockets. When you consider that C & W users have it for free and that every (or almost every) single PDA/Phone combo comes with sync software, itsa shame that Danger/ TMobile can't get it right. The fact that the replacement rate in these Sidekicks is abysmal (had 3 B&W, 4 CSK replacements) leaves a lot to say and to charge for sync is a slap in the face so to speak. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sidekick and there's not a single device (in my opinion) that does the job better right *now* at the same price point, but this is getting ridiculous. I have had nothing but good experiences with the M/S software (for my Clie) and I will continue to buy their products. I hope that they don't get burned in all of this. Once the Motorola A630 comes out OR if an elegant IM solution comes for the Blackberry *AND* I can sync with my Mac, I'm gone. I like the design of the new Sidekick but unless another carrier pops up on the East Coast (Suncom has only a few states that it serves), then Im going to have to jump ship. I'm done /vent From jon at schalliol.com Sun May 9 14:00:53 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:30 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? Message-ID: Ok, it's been a looong time since any update. What's going on? Clearly M/S must know more than that the changes will be made to make hiptop sync at some point. From asr at latency.net Mon May 10 15:58:23 2004 From: asr at latency.net (Adam Rothschild) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:30 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> On 2004-05-09-16:00:53, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: > Ok, it's been a looong time since any update. What's going on? > Clearly M/S must know more than that the changes will be made to > make hiptop sync at some point. My understanding is they're waiting on T-Mobile to implement some server-side changes on their end, including (but perhaps not limited to) supporting third-party applications and billing as part of the Catalog. I'm sure they'd like to fill us in, but are unable to as a result of whatever NDA(s) they've signed with Danger and T-Mobile. The MarkSpace folks have a solid reputation with their other sync products. I highly doubt they're making a conscious effort to keep us in the dark, and generally alienate themselves from prospective customers, or anything... -a From wilcox at unm.edu Mon May 10 17:54:03 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> Message-ID: <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> Adam said: >The MarkSpace folks have a solid reputation with their other sync >products. I highly doubt they're making a conscious effort to keep us >in the dark, and generally alienate themselves from prospective >customers, or anything... I agree with this assessment. And I for one hold no grudge against M/S. If I ever need one of their products I won't hesitate to purchase it. However, I am going to jump ship on Sidekick/T-Mobile just as soon as a good alternative comes along. I'm tired of the way they treat their customers. -- Sherman From stevenf at panic.com Mon May 10 17:17:03 2004 From: stevenf at panic.com (Steven Frank) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> I emailed T-Mobile the other day to see if I could get any information on when the Sidekick PIM syncing interface would be turned on. You can probably guess how that turned out. The front-line rep told me they were forwarding the message to the "Data Services Department", who in turn responded that they'd never heard of any such thing. Yaargh. Anyone else want to give it a shot? Maybe sooner or later we'll get the one guy who knows something. Steven http://stevenf.com/ From arlo at workthatmouse.com Mon May 10 17:39:24 2004 From: arlo at workthatmouse.com (Arlo Rose) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> Message-ID: <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> On May 10, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Steven Frank wrote: > Anyone else want to give it a shot? Maybe sooner or later we'll get > the one guy who knows something. The official, unofficial word is that it's a pricing issue. T-Mobile isn't sure how to charge us for synching yet. The system has been in place and ready to go for a few months now, but they just can't get their act together to figure out how to monazite the feature. Cheers, Arlo Rose -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2373 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040510/f96362b2/smime-0002.bin From staffin at uiuc.edu Mon May 10 19:43:45 2004 From: staffin at uiuc.edu (Ben Staffin) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> Message-ID: <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> * Arlo Rose [2004-05-10 18:39] wibbled: > On May 10, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Steven Frank wrote: > > >Anyone else want to give it a shot? Maybe sooner or later we'll get > >the one guy who knows something. > > The official, unofficial word is that it's a pricing issue. T-Mobile > isn't sure how to charge us for synching yet. > > The system has been in place and ready to go for a few months now, but > they just can't get their act together to figure out how to monazite > the feature. Here's hoping that the pricing isn't as stupid as the rest of the current catalog. $9.99 for the ssh client which was previously free? $1.69 for a five second sound clip of a cow mooing? You've got to be kidding me. I don't have my hopes up, though. I'm counting on syncing being a recurring monthly fee, just high enough to annoy me. -- /-- | Ben Staffin perpetual nerd | --/ From toddinsb at cox.net Tue May 11 10:58:00 2004 From: toddinsb at cox.net (Todd Dabney) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Does anyone know why missing sync has to use t-mobile at all? I mean we all have a USB cable for this device, is it totally impossible to just send the data straight to the sidekick and then the sidekick will back it up online automatcially like it always does. If anyone can answer this it would be greatly appreciated On May 10, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Ben Staffin wrote: > * Arlo Rose [2004-05-10 18:39] wibbled: >> On May 10, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Steven Frank wrote: >> >>> Anyone else want to give it a shot? Maybe sooner or later we'll get >>> the one guy who knows something. >> >> The official, unofficial word is that it's a pricing issue. T-Mobile >> isn't sure how to charge us for synching yet. >> >> The system has been in place and ready to go for a few months now, but >> they just can't get their act together to figure out how to monazite >> the feature. > > Here's hoping that the pricing isn't as stupid as the rest of the > current catalog. $9.99 for the ssh client which was previously free? > $1.69 for a five second sound clip of a cow mooing? You've got to be > kidding me. > > I don't have my hopes up, though. I'm counting on syncing being a > recurring monthly fee, just high enough to annoy me. > > -- > /-- > | Ben Staffin > perpetual nerd | > --/ > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From stevenf at panic.com Tue May 11 11:58:34 2004 From: stevenf at panic.com (Steven Frank) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone know why missing sync has to use t-mobile at all? I mean > we all have a USB cable for this device, is it totally impossible to > just send the data straight to the sidekick and then the sidekick will > back it up online automatcially like it always does. If anyone can > answer this it would be greatly appreciated Unfortunately, it's not possible. The USB interface is not exposed to third-party developers and the only support for it built into the OS proper is to restore the flash ROM in case it gets corrupted somehow. Steven http://stevenf.com/ From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Tue May 11 16:06:39 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 10:58:34AM -0700, Steven Frank wrote: } >Does anyone know why missing sync has to use t-mobile at all? I mean } >we all have a USB cable for this device, is it totally impossible to } >just send the data straight to the sidekick and then the sidekick will } >back it up online automatcially like it always does. If anyone can } >answer this it would be greatly appreciated } } Unfortunately, it's not possible. The USB interface is not exposed to } third-party developers and the only support for it built into the OS } proper is to restore the flash ROM in case it gets corrupted somehow. While M/S can't do anything about that problem, it is pretty clear that Danger can. I don't know what kind of contract M/S and Danger have, if any, but I would hope that they have some sort of leverage to push Danger into providing synchronization support on their end one way or another. On the other hand, there are political realities. While T-Mobile isn't the biggest provider out there, it's pretty big and it's the only one on the East coast that supports the Hiptop. Danger has to be careful not to piss them off. Doing an end-run around T-Mobile's billing plan is entirely too likely to piss them off. I'm sure the folks at Danger want to give us synchronization capabilities months ago, and are happy to have a third-party developer taking care of it. } Steven --Greg From jon at schalliol.com Tue May 11 13:26:06 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <200405111901.i4BJ0sH3004279@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200405111901.i4BJ0sH3004279@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: It's bullshit if T-Mobile wants to charge us for syncing. We either buy the program from M/S for their price and sync or they can offer something. Why should we pay to exchange our data. Does Apple or IBM charge for use of the Internet, Microsoft? Of course not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040511/dcafa1e4/attachment-0002.htm From wilcox at unm.edu Tue May 11 15:01:14 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040511210114.10953@smtp.comcast.net> Jonathan said: >It's bullshit if T-Mobile wants to charge us for syncing. Which is why I think I see a Treo in my future. -- Sherman From bb at g2meyer.com Tue May 11 14:40:40 2004 From: bb at g2meyer.com (Gordon Meyer) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <77393322-A38B-11D8-8C6E-0003939CD472@g2meyer.com> And I, for one, have no interest in having to cable my Sidekick to a computer in order to synch it. That's so last century. :-) M/S and Danger are taking the right approach, IMO, let's just hope that T-Mobile and the other carriers get on board soon. From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Tue May 11 18:05:15 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <77393322-A38B-11D8-8C6E-0003939CD472@g2meyer.com> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> <77393322-A38B-11D8-8C6E-0003939CD472@g2meyer.com> Message-ID: <20040511210515.GA30688@cs.brown.edu> On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 01:40:40PM -0700, Gordon Meyer wrote: } And I, for one, have no interest in having to cable my Sidekick to a } computer in order to synch it. There is a certain appeal to being able to sync with a machine that isn't network connected, such as a laptop that doesn't happen to be near a wireless hotspot or ethernet cable. There are even a few people out there who use dialup, and might find syncing over the net unpleasantly slow. There are good reasons to want syncing directly through a cable to the device. In addition, it would be *really* nice to be able to use the GPRS capabilities of the hiptop from a laptop on the road. There are plenty of phones out there that can do it via Bluetooth. If only Danger would expose the interface to the USB port... } That's so last century. :-) M/S and Danger are taking the right } approach, IMO, let's just hope that T-Mobile and the other carriers get } on board soon. It's the right approach, but it is hardly a one-size-fits-all approach. --Greg From toddinsb at cox.net Wed May 12 14:21:50 2004 From: toddinsb at cox.net (Todd Dabney) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for this service? > Unfortunately, it's not possible. The USB interface is not exposed to > third-party developers and the only support for it built into the OS > proper is to restore the flash ROM in case it gets corrupted somehow. You can use the usb interface to upload software you develop if you unlock the O.S. So i'm sure you can write data into the system. > While M/S can't do anything about that problem, it is pretty clear that > Danger can. I don't know what kind of contract M/S and Danger have, if > any, but I would hope that they have some sort of leverage to push > Danger into providing synchronization support on their end one way or > another. > > On the other hand, there are political realities. While T-Mobile isn't > the biggest provider out there, it's pretty big and it's the only one > on > the East coast that supports the Hiptop. Danger has to be careful not > to > piss them off. Doing an end-run around T-Mobile's billing plan is > entirely too likely to piss them off. I'm sure the folks at Danger want > to give us synchronization capabilities months ago, and are happy to > have a third-party developer taking care of it. > > } Steven > --Greg > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 15:35:10 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> References: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> Todd said: >wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is >pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can >simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there >microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be >put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for >this service? Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my Calendar. So, using these, I can upload my addresses and appointments, for free, using the Desktop Interface. The problem is it's a pain, so I end up not doing it regularly. And it works in only one direction, so it's not really syncing. If I enter an appointment in the SideKick, there's no way to sync it to my Mac. If Handspring releases a Treo 610 with Bluetooth, I'm outta here both for Danger and T-Mobile (though I might still be a Mark/Space customer in this case). -- Sherman From toddinsb at cox.net Wed May 12 14:37:18 2004 From: toddinsb at cox.net (Todd Dabney) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> References: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2910B0B3-A454-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> could you tell me where to get such applescripts? On May 12, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > Todd said: > >> wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is >> pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can >> simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there >> microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be >> put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for >> this service? > > Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts > that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to > the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my > Calendar. > So, using these, I can upload my addresses and appointments, for free, > using the Desktop Interface. > > The problem is it's a pain, so I end up not doing it regularly. And it > works in only one direction, so it's not really syncing. If I enter an > appointment in the SideKick, there's no way to sync it to my Mac. > > If Handspring releases a Treo 610 with Bluetooth, I'm outta here both > for > Danger and T-Mobile (though I might still be a Mark/Space customer in > this case). > > -- > Sherman > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 15:37:57 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040512213757.27746@smtp.comcast.net> Sherman said: >Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts >that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to >the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my Calendar. Sorry, I should have been clearer: the second script works with iCal. -- Sherman From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Wed May 12 17:44:15 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20040512204415.GA1975@cs.brown.edu> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 01:21:50PM -0700, Todd Dabney wrote: } wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is } pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can } simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there } microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be } put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for } this service? You are, indeed, wrong. While you can upload a variety of information to Danger's site (and, therefore, your phone), there is no roundtrip -- you can't get that information back. I actually pulled together all the contact information I had into a CSV file suitable for upload and uploaded it, but the only forms I have it in are on the phone itself and several loose text files. I am much more interested in syncing *to* my Mac, not from it. Even once I've done the initial sync, I am much more likely to update information on the phone when I see someone in person than I am to update anything directly on my Mac. } >Unfortunately, it's not possible. The USB interface is not exposed to } >third-party developers and the only support for it built into the OS } >proper is to restore the flash ROM in case it gets corrupted somehow. } } You can use the usb interface to upload software you develop if you } unlock the O.S. So i'm sure you can write data into the system. It is technically feasible for Danger to provide an interface, but as I mentioned... } >While M/S can't do anything about that problem, it is pretty clear } >that Danger can. I don't know what kind of contract M/S and Danger } >have, if any, but I would hope that they have some sort of leverage } >to push Danger into providing synchronization support on their end } >one way or another. } > } >On the other hand, there are political realities. While T-Mobile } >isn't the biggest provider out there, it's pretty big and it's the } >only one on the East coast that supports the Hiptop. Danger has to be } >careful not to piss them off. Doing an end-run around T-Mobile's } >billing plan is entirely too likely to piss them off. I'm sure the } >folks at Danger want to give us synchronization capabilities months } >ago, and are happy to have a third-party developer taking care of it. ...it probably isn't politically feasible. } >} Steven } >--Greg --Greg From envaffairs at mac.com Wed May 12 14:52:42 2004 From: envaffairs at mac.com (Howard Berman) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> References: <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040512213510.789@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FD77AC2-A456-11D8-9CA3-003065F94BCE@mac.com> Also, Epicad is releasing software that will allow mac syncing for Blackberries. Howard On May 12, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > Todd said: > >> wait a second i'm still missing something here. All this fuss is >> pretty much because we're mac users. Anyone on a windows machine can >> simply upload, free of charge to the best of my knowledge, there >> microsoft outlook contacts into the desktop interface and they'll be >> put on the phone. Am i wrong?? Why would T-Mobile be charging us for >> this service? > > Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts > that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to > the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my > Calendar. > So, using these, I can upload my addresses and appointments, for free, > using the Desktop Interface. > > The problem is it's a pain, so I end up not doing it regularly. And it > works in only one direction, so it's not really syncing. If I enter an > appointment in the SideKick, there's no way to sync it to my Mac. > > If Handspring releases a Treo 610 with Bluetooth, I'm outta here both > for > Danger and T-Mobile (though I might still be a Mark/Space customer in > this case). > > -- > Sherman > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > Howard Berman, President Environmental Mediation Inc. 4695 MacArthur Court, Suite 1250 Newport Beach, CA 92660 (O) (949) 476-9109 (C) (202) 361-6369 Confidentiality note: This electronic message transmission contains information which may be confidential or privileged.? The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify us by telephone at (1-949-476-9109) immediately. ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2124 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040512/02e4ed6f/attachment-0002.bin From Sandra.Frias at mtvstaff.com Wed May 12 17:54:43 2004 From: Sandra.Frias at mtvstaff.com (Frias, Sandra - MTVN) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? Message-ID: So are you saying I can transfer all of my contacts from my sidekick to my address book on my MAC G5? > ---------- > From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com on > behalf of Sherman Wilcox > Reply To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:37 PM > To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? > > Sherman said: > > >Actually, Mac users can do this too, sort of. I have two Applescripts > >that I got somewhere, one that produces a file that can be uploaded to > >the DTI for my address book, and one that does the same for my Calendar. > > Sorry, I should have been clearer: the second script works with iCal. > > -- > Sherman > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040512/229d1b8a/attachment-0002.htm From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 16:23:34 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <4FD77AC2-A456-11D8-9CA3-003065F94BCE@mac.com> References: <4FD77AC2-A456-11D8-9CA3-003065F94BCE@mac.com> Message-ID: <20040512222334.726@smtp.comcast.net> Howard said: >Also, Epicad is releasing software that will allow mac syncing for >Blackberries. Interesting. -- Sherman From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 16:24:19 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040512222419.6277@smtp.comcast.net> Frias, said: >So are you saying I can transfer all of my contacts from my sidekick to my >address book on my MAC G5? No, I'm saying that you can transfer all of your contacts from your Address Book to the Sidekick. Not the other way. -- Sherman From wilcox at unm.edu Wed May 12 16:29:49 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <2910B0B3-A454-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> References: <2910B0B3-A454-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> Message-ID: <20040512222949.21293@smtp.comcast.net> Todd said: >could you tell me where to get such applescripts? The iCal script is here: The Address Book script is here: -- Sherman From missingsync at sean-graham.com Thu May 13 00:54:11 2004 From: missingsync at sean-graham.com (Sean Graham) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? In-Reply-To: <20040512204415.GA1975@cs.brown.edu> References: <20040510185823.GI69187@latency.net> <20040510235403.20009@smtp.comcast.net> <259082D4-A2D8-11D8-BB69-000D93AD25D8@panic.com> <45390F1B-A2DB-11D8-B83B-000A9580DC82@workthatmouse.com> <20040510234345.GF29301@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> <5C167508-A36C-11D8-BEE5-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040511190639.GA27003@cs.brown.edu> <0076D813-A452-11D8-BE22-000A27B5ECB4@cox.net> <20040512204415.GA1975@cs.brown.edu> Message-ID: <20040513035410.GA7765@csh.rit.edu> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 04:44:15PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote: > I am much more interested in syncing *to* my Mac, not from it. Even once > I've done the initial sync, I am much more likely to update information > on the phone when I see someone in person than I am to update anything > directly on my Mac. I think we are all getting hung up on language: Syncing: - Short for Synchronizing - Provides a way to ensure that two (or more) databases contain the same data, as well as providing a method to merge changes in both directions. In this situation, the first DB resides on Danger's, the other DB is the Apple PIM software (iCal, Address Book, etc.). (It is interesting to note that your hiptop is constantly syncing with Dangers servers, which is why changes made on the Desktop Interface webpage appear almost instantly on the hiptop and vice versa) Importing: - A one time method for moving data between applications. - Danger provides support for importing data stored in CSV files, but it doesn't do well with resolving conflicts (one of the "new" address entries in the CSV file is already contained with the Danger DB). Syncing is a fluid, two-way process of ensuring that two databases are "mirroring" each other, just as the Desktop Interface and the hiptop device does. While I am replying: As far as the comment (from another poster) to the effect "Developers can upload applications so they must be able to upload data to the address book", this is just an ignorant statement. One definitely does not imply the other. Danger provides a mechanism to upload applications, but does not provide (or has obscured) a mechanism to edit the PIM data. sean -- Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu http://www.sean-graham.com/ From rmarquez at mac.com Thu May 13 10:11:39 2004 From: rmarquez at mac.com (Roy Marquez) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: May 9th, What's the Status? Message-ID: <5354623.1084453899155.JavaMail.rmarquez@mac.com> >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:54:43 -0400 >From: "Frias, Sandra - MTVN" >Subject: RE: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] May 9th, What's The Status? >To: "'The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List'" > >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >So are you saying I can transfer all of my contacts from my sidekick to my >address book on my MAC G5? > Sandra: The scripts that were mentioned only work one way - from the Mac to the Sidekick, not the other way around. On a related note to the rest of the list subscribers, I thought I read somewhere in an online forum that T-Mobile doesn't quite have it all figured out how they wanted to charge us - but it would REALLY suck if sync had to be a recurring fee. I was hoping that you would buy the M/S software and that would be the end of that. But then again, with the whole ringtone snafu, TMobile wants to milk our pockets. When you consider that C & W users have it for free and that every (or almost every) single PDA/Phone combo comes with sync software, itsa shame that Danger/ TMobile can't get it right. The fact that the replacement rate in these Sidekicks is abysmal (had 3 B&W, 4 CSK replacements) leaves a lot to say and to charge for sync is a slap in the face so to speak. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sidekick and there's not a single device (in my opinion) that does the job better right *now* at the same price point, but this is getting ridiculous. I have had nothing but good experiences with the M/S software (for my Clie) and I will continue to buy their products. I hope that they don't get burned in all of this. Once the Motorola A630 comes out OR if an elegant IM solution comes for the Blackberry *AND* I can sync with my Mac, I'm gone. I like the design of the new Sidekick but unless another carrier pops up on the East Coast (Suncom has only a few states that it serves), then Im going to have to jump ship. I'm done /vent