From jon at schalliol.com Thu Jun 3 17:21:55 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Thu Jun 3 16:22:12 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? Message-ID: Almost another month has passed since I sent the previous status request. Could someone at M/S please let us know what's going on? I haven't seen a M/S (or danger, t-mobile, etc) employee post here in at least two months, though I could have missed it. From envaffairs at mac.com Thu Jun 3 21:15:59 2004 From: envaffairs at mac.com (Howard Berman) Date: Thu Jun 3 17:16:05 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I gave up on the S/K. I just bought a T-Mobile Pocket PC phone. While it does not handle certain things as well as the s/k, there are things that it does handle better. In addition, there is 3rd part software for it to sync with either Mail and iCal or Entourage. And there is expandable memory. On 6/3/04 7:21 PM, "Jonathan Schalliol" wrote: > Almost another month has passed since I sent the previous status > request. Could someone at M/S please let us know what's going on? I > haven't seen a M/S (or danger, t-mobile, etc) employee post here in > at least two months, though I could have missed it. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk Howard Berman, Esq. President Environmental Mediation, Inc. 4695 MacArthur Court Suite 1250 Newport Beach, CA 92660 (949) 476-9109 (Office) (202) 361-6369 (Cell) (949) 476-2471 (Fax) The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Jun 3 18:16:46 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Jun 3 17:17:10 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Almost another month has passed since I sent the previous status >request. Could someone at M/S please let us know what's going on? I >haven't seen a M/S (or danger, t-mobile, etc) employee post here in >at least two months, though I could have missed it. We haven't had anything to add. The situation has not changed, and is, unfortunately, beyond our control. (For those wondering what our current statement is on the release, see the section titled "Release Update" at http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_hiptop.html) The most relevant portion of that statement is: "Unfortunately, the release date for the Missing Sync for hiptop will be delayed until Danger and their carriers have made the necessary preparations. Each Danger hiptop carrier will decide if and when they plan to support PIM synchronization." We regret that we don't have better news. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From wilcox at unm.edu Thu Jun 3 19:23:10 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Thu Jun 3 17:23:15 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/3/04 6:16 PM, "Brian Hall" wrote: > We regret that we don't have better news. Thanks for that update, Brian. I think we all understand that this is beyond your control. I'm one of those who is investigating devices for switching, the Treo 600 being my top contender. If I do that, I'll be looking into Mark/Space mail as well. -- Sherman From poberman at mac.com Thu Jun 3 18:58:32 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (Paul Obermn) Date: Thu Jun 3 17:58:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CEBB348-B5C2-11D8-82BC-003065A82F8C@mac.com> there are two devices coming out this month that will do what sidekick users need. one is from www.voq.com On Jun 3, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Howard Berman wrote: > I gave up on the S/K. I just bought a T-Mobile Pocket PC phone. > While it > does not handle certain things as well as the s/k, there are things > that it > does handle better. In addition, there is 3rd part software for it to > sync > with either Mail and iCal or Entourage. And there is expandable memory. > > > On 6/3/04 7:21 PM, "Jonathan Schalliol" wrote: > >> Almost another month has passed since I sent the previous status >> request. Could someone at M/S please let us know what's going on? I >> haven't seen a M/S (or danger, t-mobile, etc) employee post here in >> at least two months, though I could have missed it. >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > > Howard Berman, Esq. > President > Environmental Mediation, Inc. > 4695 MacArthur Court > Suite 1250 > Newport Beach, CA 92660 > (949) 476-9109 (Office) > (202) 361-6369 (Cell) > (949) 476-2471 (Fax) > > > The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for > the > personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This > message > may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as > such is > privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this > document in > error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this > message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original > message. > > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From poberman at mac.com Thu Jun 3 18:57:19 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (Paul Obermn) Date: Thu Jun 3 20:02:16 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? 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In-Reply-To: <4CEBB348-B5C2-11D8-82BC-003065A82F8C@mac.com> References: <4CEBB348-B5C2-11D8-82BC-003065A82F8C@mac.com> Message-ID: >there are two devices coming out this month that will do what sidekick >users need. one is from www.voq.com It looks like it runs Windows Mobile, which we should have covered with Missing Sync for Pocket PC (http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_pocketpc.html) If anyone is lucky enough to already have one and would like to test it with Missing Sync for us, let us know (just one person is enough). brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Jun 3 21:07:05 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Jun 3 20:08:50 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Thanks for that update, Brian. I think we all understand that this is beyond >your control. I'm one of those who is investigating devices for switching, >the Treo 600 being my top contender. If I do that, I'll be looking into >Mark/Space mail as well. Treo 600 with Mark/Space Mail is what I personally use. We added attachment support in the 2.0 version, which I use frequently to take a picture with the built-in camera and then send as an email attachment. (Which, FWIW, we will be supporting with our upcoming next generation Missing Sync product, see www.markspaced.com/cobalt.html) Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From jon at schalliol.com Thu Jun 3 22:26:37 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Thu Jun 3 21:26:55 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: <200406040302.i5432LH3027861@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406040302.i5432LH3027861@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: You must have known that this would be dependent upon Danger and the carriers before you developed the product. I assume that you have been talking to these companies. Did they just say, "hmm, dunno, maybe we will support that, maybe not...oh, and we don't want to talk to you for a while." Soooo, what's the deal? :-D Can't we write someone letters or something like that? >We haven't had anything to add. The situation has not changed, and is, >unfortunately, beyond our control. > >(For those wondering what our current statement is on the release, see the >section titled "Release Update" at >http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_hiptop.html) > >The most relevant portion of that statement is: > >"Unfortunately, the release date for the Missing Sync for hiptop will be >delayed until Danger and their carriers have made the necessary >preparations. Each Danger hiptop carrier will decide if and when they plan >to support PIM synchronization." > >We regret that we don't have better news. > >Brian > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 >540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 >Los Gatos, CA 95030 From wilcox at unm.edu Thu Jun 3 23:41:46 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Thu Jun 3 21:41:49 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/3/04 6:15 PM, "Howard Berman" wrote: > I gave up on the S/K. I just bought a T-Mobile Pocket PC phone. I just still can't bring myself to buy a Microsoft-based OS ;-) -- Sherman From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 4 00:32:38 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Thu Jun 3 23:32:42 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it is a shame that our biggest hope is a microsoft based product. can you guys at markspace support the VOQ.com phone? it is the best hope to get rid of the hiptop paul From brian_hall at markspace.com Fri Jun 4 00:36:28 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Jun 3 23:38:16 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] voq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:32 PM -0700 6/3/04, paul oberman wrote: >it is a shame that our biggest hope is a microsoft based product. can >you guys at markspace support the VOQ.com phone? At their web site it says it runs Windows Mobile. Which means it should work with our current release of Missing Sync for Pocket PC, but we haven't seen one yet to be able to test it. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 4 00:48:02 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Thu Jun 3 23:48:06 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] voq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FF1B6C8-B5F3-11D8-A7C0-000A95826904@mac.com> if i have my way, i will have one as soon as i can squirrel the money together. 15 months of waiting for hiptop has pissed me off. On Jun 3, 2004, at 11:36 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > At 11:32 PM -0700 6/3/04, paul oberman wrote: >> it is a shame that our biggest hope isif I a microsoft based product. >> can >> you guys at markspace support the VOQ.com phone? > > At their web site it says it runs Windows Mobile. Which means it should > work with our current release of Missing Sync for Pocket PC, but we > haven't > seen one yet to be able to test it. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From vicmarr at earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 10:28:26 2004 From: vicmarr at earthlink.net (Eddie Cohen) Date: Fri Jun 4 06:32:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] New hiptop Message-ID: <1086355919.67E9FC3@s5.dngr.org> Well, from what I gather, a new hiptop model is coming out shortly, and I can just hope and pray that this model with have sync included with it. From Xystance at niu.edu Fri Jun 4 16:13:32 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Fri Jun 4 13:13:42 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) In-Reply-To: <1FF1B6C8-B5F3-11D8-A7C0-000A95826904@mac.com> Message-ID: <200406042013.i54KDaH1032438@penguin.markspace.com> Well, you know the worst part of all of this is... We as Mac users are often passed over by software developers and companies for things that are seemingly trivial. My most recent example? I warn you... it's trivial... Command & Conquer : Generals / MAC by Aspyr. It -finally- comes out, two months late. I'm ready to purchase it, but it doesn't network play with Windows clients. That's what we get for the choice of DirectPlay for a network stack (which consistently desynchronizes during games and causes problems). But as a Mac lover, and a PC user... and a hard-core tech who understands the underlying reasons for things... it's a killer, but I'm used to it. But we aren't the only ones being hit by Danger / T-Mobile's inability to either release the sync solution or open their servers up for someone to sync to. It's -everyone- who has invested in a Hiptop. Except those over at C&W that is... It's so frustrating. I enter all this data into the Hiptop because it's easy, and it's backed up in case something happens. But I can't see it on a computer in any regular calendaring application. So I have three different calendars; Hiptop, GroupWise, and Exchange. For me, all I need is T-Mobile to approve synching, and it -all- goes away, on the Mac and the PC platforms. I get one calendar, things work, and about fifty people I personally know and work with will purchase the third generation Hiptop when it comes out. They're drooling over it. They've seen my second generation Hiptop, they've seen me absolutely love it... and they've seen me swear when I have to manually translate calendar entries from one to another. Everything I've said above has been said before by PC and Mac users alike. T-Mobile and Danger are shooting themselves in the foot, etc... But we aren't the only ones being shut down. Missing Sync is ready, Markspace has stated that they're ready. So... why not attach ourselves to some other forums and boards and get something -significant- going? On the scale of... 10,000 requests to T-mobile from CURRENT subscribers stating that we -need- this. That we -want- this. That each of us know tens of people that want a SideKick for business, but will love it for home use. We must appeal to their business interests. I'm not posing that we threaten to drop service. There are contracts, and for me... the Hiptop kicks too much ass. But there is SO MUCH BUSINESS out there they could have. Nextel's killer app was their direct connect. Now there's Push To Talk by Verizon. Businesses are beginning to realize there's competition, and managers are beginning to realize that having a loud and obnoxious walkie talkie may not be the best way to go about communicating. It's much less annoying (and more informative) to receive an e-mail silently during a meeting than get a direct connect request. We all know e-mail on any other cell phone just doesn't cut it either. Scrolling 50 times to read 5 sentences is unacceptable. Businesses want this. My particular business wants this. I only speak for myself. But how the Danger / T-mobile situation plays out may decide whether an entire business decides to go T-Mobile... or not. --Dave Well, you know the worst part of all of this is... We as Mac users are often passed over by software developers and companies for things that are seemingly trivial. My most recent example? I warn you... it's trivial... Command & Conquer : Generals / MAC by Aspyr. It -finally- comes out, two months late. I'm ready to purchase it, but it doesn't network play with Windows clients. That's what we get for the choice of DirectPlay for a network stack (which consistently desynchronizes during games and causes problems). But as a Mac lover, and a PC user... and a hard-core tech who understands the underlying reasons for things... it's a killer, but I'm used to it. But we aren't the only ones being hit by Danger / T-Mobile's inability to either release the sync solution or open their servers up for someone to sync to. It's -everyone- who has invested in a Hiptop. Except those over at C&W that is... It's so frustrating. I enter all this data into the Hiptop because it's easy, and it's backed up in case something happens. But I can't see it on a computer in any regular calendaring application. So I have three different calendars; Hiptop, GroupWise, and Exchange. For me, all I need is T-Mobile to approve synching, and it -all- goes away, on the Mac and the PC platforms. I get one calendar, things work, and about fifty people I personally know and work with will purchase the third generation Hiptop when it comes out. They're drooling over it. They've seen my second generation Hiptop, they've seen me absolutely love it... and they've seen me swear when I have to manually translate calendar entries from one to another. Everything I've said above has been said before by PC and Mac users alike. T-Mobile and Danger are shooting themselves in the foot, etc... But we aren't the only ones being shut down. Missing Sync is ready, Markspace has stated that they're ready. So... why not attach ourselves to some other forums and boards and get something -significant- going? On the scale of... 10,000 requests to T-mobile from CURRENT subscribers stating that we -need- this. That we -want- this. That each of us know tens of people that want a SideKick for business, but will love it for home use. We must appeal to their business interests. I'm not posing that we threaten to drop service. There are contracts, and for me... the Hiptop kicks too much ass. But there is SO MUCH BUSINESS out there they could have. Nextel's killer app was their direct connect. Now there's Push To Talk by Verizon. Businesses are beginning to realize there's competition, and managers are beginning to realize that having a loud and obnoxious walkie talkie may not be the best way to go about communicating. It's much less annoying (and more informative) to receive an e-mail silently during a meeting than get a direct connect request. We all know e-mail on any other cell phone just doesn't cut it either. Scrolling 50 times to read 5 sentences is unacceptable. Businesses want this. My particular business wants this. I only speak for myself. But how the Danger / T-mobile situation plays out may decide whether an entire business decides to go T-Mobile... or not. --Dave -----Original Message----- From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com [mailto:missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of paul oberman Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:48 AM To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] voq if i have my way, i will have one as soon as i can squirrel the money together. 15 months of waiting for hiptop has pissed me off. On Jun 3, 2004, at 11:36 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > At 11:32 PM -0700 6/3/04, paul oberman wrote: >> it is a shame that our biggest hope isif I a microsoft based product. >> can >> you guys at markspace support the VOQ.com phone? > > At their web site it says it runs Windows Mobile. Which means it should > work with our current release of Missing Sync for Pocket PC, but we > haven't > seen one yet to be able to test it. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk _______________________________________________ missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From sohailm01 at mac.com Fri Jun 4 17:54:00 2004 From: sohailm01 at mac.com (Sohail Mamdani) Date: Fri Jun 4 14:30:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) In-Reply-To: <200406042013.i54KDaH1032438@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406042013.i54KDaH1032438@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <4DCAB700-B669-11D8-A691-00039398AF76@mac.com> You know what? I bloody agree. So I'm putting out an open call. Can we get an online petition going? Can someone host an online letter where all Mac users can affix their signature, demanding that T-Mobile get cracking on this? Because I guarantee you, every Mac news site on the web will publish a blurb about it, as will a series of blogs and other sites. So, who's gonna do it? Anyone? I'd do it myself, but I'm not a web designer by trade (not exactly, anyway). If no one picks up the ball, however, I'll put it together and host it myself, damnit! I want my Sidekick Sync! Sohail Mamdani On Jun 4, 2004, at 4:13 PM, Dave Arias wrote: > Well, you know the worst part of all of this is... > > We as Mac users are often passed over by software developers and > companies > for things that are seemingly trivial. My most recent example? I warn > you... > it's trivial... > > Command & Conquer : Generals / MAC by Aspyr. > > It -finally- comes out, two months late. I'm ready to purchase it, but > it > doesn't network play with Windows clients. That's what we get for the > choice > of DirectPlay for a network stack (which consistently desynchronizes > during > games and causes problems). > > But as a Mac lover, and a PC user... and a hard-core tech who > understands > the underlying reasons for things... it's a killer, but I'm used to it. > > But we aren't the only ones being hit by Danger / T-Mobile's inability > to > either release the sync solution or open their servers up for someone > to > sync to. It's -everyone- who has invested in a Hiptop. Except those > over at > C&W that is... > > It's so frustrating. I enter all this data into the Hiptop because it's > easy, and it's backed up in case something happens. But I can't see it > on a > computer in any regular calendaring application. > > So I have three different calendars; Hiptop, GroupWise, and Exchange. > For me, all I need is T-Mobile to approve synching, and it -all- goes > away, > on the Mac and the PC platforms. I get one calendar, things work, and > about > fifty people I personally know and work with will purchase the third > generation Hiptop when it comes out. They're drooling over it. They've > seen > my second generation Hiptop, they've seen me absolutely love it... and > they've seen me swear when I have to manually translate calendar > entries > from one to another. > > Everything I've said above has been said before by PC and Mac users > alike. > T-Mobile and Danger are shooting themselves in the foot, etc... > > But we aren't the only ones being shut down. Missing Sync is ready, > Markspace has stated that they're ready. So... why not attach > ourselves to > some other forums and boards and get something -significant- going? On > the > scale of... 10,000 requests to T-mobile from CURRENT subscribers > stating > that we -need- this. That we -want- this. That each of us know tens of > people that want a SideKick for business, but will love it for home > use. > > We must appeal to their business interests. I'm not posing that we > threaten > to drop service. There are contracts, and for me... the Hiptop kicks > too > much ass. > > But there is SO MUCH BUSINESS out there they could have. Nextel's > killer app > was their direct connect. Now there's Push To Talk by Verizon. > Businesses > are beginning to realize there's competition, and managers are > beginning to > realize that having a loud and obnoxious walkie talkie may not be the > best > way to go about communicating. It's much less annoying (and more > informative) to receive an e-mail silently during a meeting than get a > direct connect request. We all know e-mail on any other cell phone just > doesn't cut it either. Scrolling 50 times to read 5 sentences is > unacceptable. Businesses want this. My particular business wants this. > > I only speak for myself. But how the Danger / T-mobile situation plays > out > may decide whether an entire business decides to go T-Mobile... or not. > > --Dave > > > > > > > Well, you know the worst part of all of this is... > > We as Mac users are often passed over by software developers and > companies > for things that are seemingly trivial. My most recent example? I warn > you... > it's trivial... > > Command & Conquer : Generals / MAC by Aspyr. > > It -finally- comes out, two months late. I'm ready to purchase it, but > it > doesn't network play with Windows clients. That's what we get for the > choice > of DirectPlay for a network stack (which consistently desynchronizes > during > games and causes problems). > > But as a Mac lover, and a PC user... and a hard-core tech who > understands > the underlying reasons for things... it's a killer, but I'm used to it. > > But we aren't the only ones being hit by Danger / T-Mobile's inability > to > either release the sync solution or open their servers up for someone > to > sync to. It's -everyone- who has invested in a Hiptop. Except those > over at > C&W that is... > > It's so frustrating. I enter all this data into the Hiptop because it's > easy, and it's backed up in case something happens. But I can't see it > on a > computer in any regular calendaring application. > > So I have three different calendars; Hiptop, GroupWise, and Exchange. > For me, all I need is T-Mobile to approve synching, and it -all- goes > away, > on the Mac and the PC platforms. I get one calendar, things work, and > about > fifty people I personally know and work with will purchase the third > generation Hiptop when it comes out. They're drooling over it. They've > seen > my second generation Hiptop, they've seen me absolutely love it... and > they've seen me swear when I have to manually translate calendar > entries > from one to another. > > Everything I've said above has been said before by PC and Mac users > alike. > T-Mobile and Danger are shooting themselves in the foot, etc... > > But we aren't the only ones being shut down. Missing Sync is ready, > Markspace has stated that they're ready. So... why not attach > ourselves to > some other forums and boards and get something -significant- going? On > the > scale of... 10,000 requests to T-mobile from CURRENT subscribers > stating > that we -need- this. That we -want- this. That each of us know tens of > people that want a SideKick for business, but will love it for home > use. > > We must appeal to their business interests. I'm not posing that we > threaten > to drop service. There are contracts, and for me... the Hiptop kicks > too > much ass. > > But there is SO MUCH BUSINESS out there they could have. Nextel's > killer app > was their direct connect. Now there's Push To Talk by Verizon. > Businesses > are beginning to realize there's competition, and managers are > beginning to > realize that having a loud and obnoxious walkie talkie may not be the > best > way to go about communicating. It's much less annoying (and more > informative) to receive an e-mail silently during a meeting than get a > direct connect request. We all know e-mail on any other cell phone just > doesn't cut it either. Scrolling 50 times to read 5 sentences is > unacceptable. Businesses want this. My particular business wants this. > > I only speak for myself. But how the Danger / T-mobile situation plays > out > may decide whether an entire business decides to go T-Mobile... or not. > > --Dave > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com > [mailto:missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On > Behalf Of > paul oberman > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:48 AM > To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] voq > > if i have my way, i will have one as soon as i can squirrel the money > together. 15 months of waiting for hiptop has pissed me off. > > > On Jun 3, 2004, at 11:36 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > >> At 11:32 PM -0700 6/3/04, paul oberman wrote: >>> it is a shame that our biggest hope isif I a microsoft based product. >>> can >>> you guys at markspace support the VOQ.com phone? >> >> At their web site it says it runs Windows Mobile. Which means it >> should >> work with our current release of Missing Sync for Pocket PC, but we >> haven't >> seen one yet to be able to test it. >> >> Brian >> >> -- >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 >> 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 >> Los Gatos, CA 95030 >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From j.baker+missingsync at mboro.org Fri Jun 4 18:53:40 2004 From: j.baker+missingsync at mboro.org (James A Baker) Date: Fri Jun 4 15:53:48 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: "no MS handhelds" and "new hiptop" In-Reply-To: <200406041942.i54JfxH2019724@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406041942.i54JfxH2019724@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <05D95EF4-B67A-11D8-BEA2-000393193AB6@mboro.org> On Jun 3, 2004, at 22:41, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On 6/3/04 6:15 PM, "Howard Berman" wrote: > >> I gave up on the S/K. I just bought a T-Mobile Pocket PC phone. > > I just still can't bring myself to buy a Microsoft-based OS ;-) > Amen! -- It's bad enough to have to support them at work on desktops... I can't see myself ever bowing to pressure and buying one on yet another hardware platform! I'll do without a handheld for the rest of my life before I do _that_! (And be better off for it, I guarantee. =) On Jun 3, 2004, at 23:48, paul oberman wrote: [re: voq phone] > if i have my way, i will have one as soon as i can squirrel the money > together. 15 months of waiting for hiptop has pissed me off. Well... "as you will," regarding the first part. But as to the waiting... Here-here! While I'll allow that it may not be Mark/Space's fault... I can't believe that I've waited this long! My patience is absolutely at it's end. Without syncing, the hiptop wasn't quite (maybe nearly, but just not quite) worth it to me... and without the hiptop itself (which is the only device since the Newton that looks to even approach "worth-while" status in the handheld market, and therefore the only one I can see buying) then the whole idea of syncing goes down the drain -- taking Mark/Space's software with it -- for me at least. On Jun 4, 2004, at 09:28, Eddie Cohen wrote: > Well, from what I gather, a new hiptop model is coming out shortly, and > I can just hope and pray that this model with have sync included with > it. Oh great! Something _else_ to wait for... I think I'm done folks! *huff* -jab *preps unsub message for quick firing* ... "FIRE!" From wilcox at unm.edu Fri Jun 4 17:56:20 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Jun 4 15:56:28 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) In-Reply-To: <4DCAB700-B669-11D8-A691-00039398AF76@mac.com> Message-ID: On 6/4/04 2:54 PM, "Sohail Mamdani" wrote: > I'd do it myself, but I'm not a web designer by trade (not exactly, > anyway). If no one picks up the ball, however, I'll put it together and > host it myself, damnit! I want my Sidekick Sync! I'll sign it. But I'm not long for SideKick or T-Mobile for that matter. -- Sherman From sam at vis.nu Fri Jun 4 17:12:44 2004 From: sam at vis.nu (Sam Mulvey) Date: Fri Jun 4 16:13:06 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) In-Reply-To: <4DCAB700-B669-11D8-A691-00039398AF76@mac.com> References: <200406042013.i54KDaH1032438@penguin.markspace.com> <4DCAB700-B669-11D8-A691-00039398AF76@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Sohail Mamdani wrote: > So I'm putting out an open call. Can we get an online petition going? > Can someone host an online letter where all Mac users can affix their > signature, demanding that T-Mobile get cracking on this? Because I > guarantee you, every Mac news site on the web will publish a blurb > about it, as will a series of blogs and other sites. After reading a number of "I'm not using the sidekick anymore" posts, perhaps something that would work as an online petition, with a matrix of the level of interest? Such as "I'm moving because T-Mobile is crap", along with "I will/will not pay for syncing".... .basically, rather than just an online petition, we could include with it information that would be valuable as 'market research' to the folks at T-Mobile, thus making it more likely that they would pay attention. Doable, within my capabilities, but what is the interest level among hiptop users? If most everyone is off the Treo land, it's not particularly useful. Sam From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Fri Jun 4 20:32:36 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Fri Jun 4 16:32:41 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) In-Reply-To: <4DCAB700-B669-11D8-A691-00039398AF76@mac.com> References: <200406042013.i54KDaH1032438@penguin.markspace.com> <4DCAB700-B669-11D8-A691-00039398AF76@mac.com> Message-ID: <20040604233236.GB1309@cs.brown.edu> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 04:54:00PM -0400, Sohail Mamdani wrote: } You know what? I bloody agree. } } So I'm putting out an open call. Can we get an online petition going? } Can someone host an online letter where all Mac users can affix their } signature, demanding that T-Mobile get cracking on this? Because I } guarantee you, every Mac news site on the web will publish a blurb } about it, as will a series of blogs and other sites. } } So, who's gonna do it? Anyone? } } I'd do it myself, but I'm not a web designer by trade (not exactly, } anyway). If no one picks up the ball, however, I'll put it together and } host it myself, damnit! I want my Sidekick Sync! I've done it. I found a site that hosts petitions at no cost. Please sign it at http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/tmobile_hiptop_sync/ I will also be submitting it to slashdot and macslash, and I encourage you to do the same (and any other sites you feel would be appropriate, especially www.hiptop.com). } Sohail Mamdani --Greg From joshpaul at mac.com Fri Jun 4 17:55:06 2004 From: joshpaul at mac.com (Josh Paul) Date: Fri Jun 4 16:55:12 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options Message-ID: <9A7D530C-B682-11D8-9CE4-000393A32ECC@mac.com> I just joined the list and have been looking seriously at the HipTop. From what I've seen, it's a killer piece of hardware/software (especially since there's and ssh client). Sync, however, is the missing piece. I am not a T-Mobile customer, but am considering moving my account. Is there any word from T-Mobile/Danger when the sync feature will be enabled for the HipTop? Is MarkSpace working on a sync option for the Blackberry? (We have 7 currently, with no way to sync! More are being purchased.) From wilcox at unm.edu Fri Jun 4 20:11:10 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Jun 4 18:11:16 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options In-Reply-To: <9A7D530C-B682-11D8-9CE4-000393A32ECC@mac.com> Message-ID: On 6/4/04 5:55 PM, "Josh Paul" wrote: > Is there any word from T-Mobile/Danger when the sync feature will be > enabled for the HipTop? Ha!!!! Is there any word from Tmob/Danger on ANYTHING? Josh, I'm afraid you've stepped into a group of seriously frustrated users, many of whom are saying they plan to dump the SideKick. I agree, it's a killer piece of equipment. But the support is unacceptable. I've pretty much decided on the Treo. I'm only holding off because of the darned rumors about a possible new model with the two things I'd like to see: Bluetooth and a better display. -- Sherman From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 4 20:09:45 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:09:50 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options In-Reply-To: <9A7D530C-B682-11D8-9CE4-000393A32ECC@mac.com> References: <9A7D530C-B682-11D8-9CE4-000393A32ECC@mac.com> Message-ID: <6A6C49D6-B695-11D8-B2C5-000A95826904@mac.com> it's been about four weeks away tor 18 months, On Jun 4, 2004, at 4:55 PM, Josh Paul wrote: > I just joined the list and have been looking seriously at the HipTop. > From what I've seen, it's a killer piece of hardware/software > (especially since there's and ssh client). Sync, however, is the > missing piece. > > I am not a T-Mobile customer, but am considering moving my account. > > Is there any word from T-Mobile/Danger when the sync feature will be > enabled for the HipTop? > > Is MarkSpace working on a sync option for the Blackberry? (We have 7 > currently, with no way to sync! More are being purchased.) > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 4 20:10:43 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:10:46 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF5E0A9-B695-11D8-B2C5-000A95826904@mac.com> sherman, check out the device at www.voq.com comes out later this month. paul On Jun 4, 2004, at 6:11 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On 6/4/04 5:55 PM, "Josh Paul" wrote: > >> Is there any word from T-Mobile/Danger when the sync feature will be >> enabled for the HipTop? > > Ha!!!! > > Is there any word from Tmob/Danger on ANYTHING? Josh, I'm afraid you've > stepped into a group of seriously frustrated users, many of whom are > saying > they plan to dump the SideKick. I agree, it's a killer piece of > equipment. > But the support is unacceptable. > > I've pretty much decided on the Treo. I'm only holding off because of > the > darned rumors about a possible new model with the two things I'd like > to > see: Bluetooth and a better display. > > -- > Sherman > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From wilcox at unm.edu Fri Jun 4 21:35:11 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:35:23 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options In-Reply-To: <8CF5E0A9-B695-11D8-B2C5-000A95826904@mac.com> Message-ID: On 6/4/04 8:10 PM, "paul oberman" wrote: > check out the device at www.voq.com I did, but as I mentioned, I don't want a Microsoft OS device. At this point I'm pretty convinced I want to go back to Palm OS. -- Sherman From Xystance at niu.edu Fri Jun 4 22:43:23 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:43:31 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) DeuX In-Reply-To: <8CF5E0A9-B695-11D8-B2C5-000A95826904@mac.com> Message-ID: <200406050243.i552hTH1026068@penguin.markspace.com> We can't just do a simple petition... We just look like a niche group angry with T-mobile. That's easy to ignore. I agree with the matrix idea. All we really -need- is a simple CGI form. I very recently re-gained access to my domain (http://www.xystance.net, its just a personal site) and I am willing to host this form... Making it, well, ... I've tried to stay away from CGI when I have done webpages... And I have only done personal webpages and informational pages for work. :) So, someone else make it, I'll host it and guarantee the privacy of its data. Page 1 1) Full Name [Enter information] 2) E-Mail Address [Enter Information] 3) Are you a current T-Mobile Subscriber? [Yes/No] 4) Where did you hear about this form? [Enter listserv, website, or ... Whatever you want!] Page 2 (Current Subscriber) 4) How many SideKicks do you, your immediate family, or your business own? [Enter Number] 5) How many T-Mobile subscribers do you know in your immediate family or business? [Enter Number] 6) How many SideKicks do you, your immediate family, or your business intend to purchase if sync is released? [Enter Number] 7) How many SideKicks do you suspect your friends or your business(es) intend to purchase if sync is released? [Enter Number] 8) Are you willing to pay a monthly fee for sync, or a one-time fee for the software? [Monthly/One-Time] 9) Are you otherwise happy with T-Mobile service? [Yes/No] 10) If so, are you so dissatisfied that you are willing to purchase another phone? [Yes/No] 11) If so, will you be leaving T-mobile for another carrier? [Yes/No] 12) Comments? (Keep them under 100 words please) Page 2 (Prospective Subscribers) 4) Do you intend to subscribe to T-Mobile and purchase a SideKick if sync is released? [Yes/No] 5) How many SideKicks do you intend to purchase for you or your immediate family? [Enter Number] 6) How many other phones do you intend to purchase for you or your immediate family? [Enter Number] 7) Is a business you work for interested in obtaining T-Mobile service if sync is released? [Yes/No] 8) If so, please estimate a number of SideKicks the business is exploring purchasing. [Enter Number] 9) Also, please estimate a number of other phones the business is exploring purchasing. [Enter Number] 10) Do you know of any friends interested in obtaining T-Mobile service if sync is released? [Yes/No] 11) If so, how many SideKicks do they intend to purchase? [Enter Number] 12) How many other phones do they intend to purchase? [Enter Number] See, we need to appeal to more than just the "sob" factor. This is a good marketing survey (as suggested earlier) that, while not giving e-mail addresses to t-mobile unless that is agreed on, we give names, and answers, and they get hard numbers. Say we eventually get... Oh, 2000 SideKicks that would be purchased, and maybe 300 other phones that would be purchased if sync was released (for like, a child that wants something small cute and cooky). They would then run the numbers through the "bullshit matrix" and filter it down to maybe 300 sidekicks and maybe 20 phones. That's still quite a bit of money coming from a very small amount of people. So here's the deal: Someone write the CGI, or submission page in whatever server technology you feel like. (Try not ASP or ASPX please... I'd have a harder time hosting that) I'll host it, guarantee your privacy, and do the grunt work of compiling it into one comprehensive (and PRESENTABLE) list to T-Mobile. You all do the leg work of presenting this to the world. Well, I will too, but... Between all the Missing Sync and PC people out there... That'd probably get more attention. So, lets get on the other SideKick boards and listservs and get some attention. :) -Dave From Xystance at niu.edu Fri Jun 4 22:52:35 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:52:43 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200406050252.i552qfH1007585@penguin.markspace.com> Remember that QT/Linux based Motorola phone we all heard about going to China? It might be coming to the US sometime "soon"... http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4604576509.html That would be an instant purchase/dumpsidekick/dump T-Mobile if they don't support it for me. -----Original Message----- From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com [mailto:missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of Sherman Wilcox Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:35 PM To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options On 6/4/04 8:10 PM, "paul oberman" wrote: > check out the device at www.voq.com I did, but as I mentioned, I don't want a Microsoft OS device. At this point I'm pretty convinced I want to go back to Palm OS. -- Sherman _______________________________________________ missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From jon at schalliol.com Fri Jun 4 21:35:35 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:35:50 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: (sigh) In-Reply-To: <200406042337.i54NbgH3024095@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406042337.i54NbgH3024095@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: Hell yeah, I'm up for a petition. This is actually what I'm trying to get from M/S with these posts. There must be someone with the power to make the M/S app go and we need to reach them. My position: I'll pay for an app like M/S', but not a monthly fee for syncing. From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 4 21:38:33 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (Paul Obermn) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:38:37 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options In-Reply-To: <200406050252.i552qfH1007585@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406050252.i552qfH1007585@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: i think the markspace missing sync for pocket pc would work for the voq. paul On Jun 4, 2004, at 7:52 PM, Dave Arias wrote: > Remember that QT/Linux based Motorola phone we all heard about going to > China? It might be coming to the US sometime "soon"... > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4604576509.html > > That would be an instant purchase/dumpsidekick/dump T-Mobile if they > don't > support it for me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com > [mailto:missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On > Behalf Of > Sherman Wilcox > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:35 PM > To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] sync and other options > > On 6/4/04 8:10 PM, "paul oberman" wrote: > >> check out the device at www.voq.com > > I did, but as I mentioned, I don't want a Microsoft OS device. At this > point > I'm pretty convinced I want to go back to Palm OS. > > -- > Sherman > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From sohailm01 at mac.com Sat Jun 5 00:47:53 2004 From: sohailm01 at mac.com (Sohail Mamdani) Date: Fri Jun 4 20:47:58 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) In-Reply-To: References: <200406042013.i54KDaH1032438@penguin.markspace.com> <4DCAB700-B669-11D8-A691-00039398AF76@mac.com> Message-ID: <1F885181-B6A3-11D8-9256-00039398AF76@mac.com> I think you're right - a matrix would help. Let's hope there's still interest. I like my Sidekick and the Treo does NOT have any 'Push' email capabilities right now, which made the difference for me. Also, isn't price-point an issue? The Sidekick can be had for $200, whereas the Treo is still in the $400+ range. Sohail On Jun 4, 2004, at 7:12 PM, Sam Mulvey wrote: > > On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Sohail Mamdani wrote: > >> So I'm putting out an open call. Can we get an online petition going? >> Can someone host an online letter where all Mac users can affix their >> signature, demanding that T-Mobile get cracking on this? Because I >> guarantee you, every Mac news site on the web will publish a blurb >> about it, as will a series of blogs and other sites. > > > After reading a number of "I'm not using the sidekick anymore" posts, > perhaps something that would work as an online petition, with a matrix > of the level of interest? Such as "I'm moving because T-Mobile is > crap", along with "I will/will not pay for syncing".... > > .basically, rather than just an online petition, we could include with > it information that would be valuable as 'market research' to the > folks at T-Mobile, thus making it more likely that they would pay > attention. > > Doable, within my capabilities, but what is the interest level among > hiptop users? If most everyone is off the Treo land, it's not > particularly useful. > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From Xystance at niu.edu Sat Jun 5 00:14:28 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Fri Jun 4 21:14:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) In-Reply-To: <1F885181-B6A3-11D8-9256-00039398AF76@mac.com> Message-ID: <200406050414.i554EWH1004534@penguin.markspace.com> $60 after rebates from Amazon... :) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-8268890-4545640 -----Original Message----- From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com [mailto:missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of Sohail Mamdani Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:48 PM To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) I think you're right - a matrix would help. Let's hope there's still interest. I like my Sidekick and the Treo does NOT have any 'Push' email capabilities right now, which made the difference for me. Also, isn't price-point an issue? The Sidekick can be had for $200, whereas the Treo is still in the $400+ range. Sohail On Jun 4, 2004, at 7:12 PM, Sam Mulvey wrote: > > On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Sohail Mamdani wrote: > >> So I'm putting out an open call. Can we get an online petition going? >> Can someone host an online letter where all Mac users can affix their >> signature, demanding that T-Mobile get cracking on this? Because I >> guarantee you, every Mac news site on the web will publish a blurb >> about it, as will a series of blogs and other sites. > > > After reading a number of "I'm not using the sidekick anymore" posts, > perhaps something that would work as an online petition, with a matrix > of the level of interest? Such as "I'm moving because T-Mobile is > crap", along with "I will/will not pay for syncing".... > > .basically, rather than just an online petition, we could include with > it information that would be valuable as 'market research' to the > folks at T-Mobile, thus making it more likely that they would pay > attention. > > Doable, within my capabilities, but what is the interest level among > hiptop users? If most everyone is off the Treo land, it's not > particularly useful. > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > _______________________________________________ missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From sam at vis.nu Fri Jun 4 21:54:13 2004 From: sam at vis.nu (Sam Mulvey) Date: Fri Jun 4 22:50:10 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) DeuX In-Reply-To: <200406050243.i552hTH1026068@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406050243.i552hTH1026068@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <022A59B7-B6A4-11D8-9DB1-000A95C8ABDA@vis.nu> On Jun 4, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Dave Arias wrote: > We just look like a niche group angry with T-mobile. That's easy to > ignore. > I agree with the matrix idea. All we really -need- is a simple CGI > form. Okay, you don't to CGI. ASP is out.. how about PHP/MySQL? Wouldn't take me long to bang out this weekend... Sam From sohailm01 at mac.com Sat Jun 5 03:43:58 2004 From: sohailm01 at mac.com (Sohail Mamdani) Date: Fri Jun 4 23:44:07 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) DeuX In-Reply-To: <022A59B7-B6A4-11D8-9DB1-000A95C8ABDA@vis.nu> References: <200406050243.i552hTH1026068@penguin.markspace.com> <022A59B7-B6A4-11D8-9DB1-000A95C8ABDA@vis.nu> Message-ID: Could you do that, please? If necessary, I'll find web space to host it... Sohail Mamdani On Jun 4, 2004, at 11:54 PM, Sam Mulvey wrote: > > On Jun 4, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Dave Arias wrote: > >> We just look like a niche group angry with T-mobile. That's easy to >> ignore. >> I agree with the matrix idea. All we really -need- is a simple CGI >> form. > > Okay, you don't to CGI. ASP is out.. how about PHP/MySQL? Wouldn't > take me long to bang out this weekend... > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From Xystance at niu.edu Sat Jun 5 13:28:00 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Sat Jun 5 10:28:44 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) DeuX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200406051728.i55HSbH1000720@penguin.markspace.com> I can host PHP/MySQL without a problem, so... Thanks much. :) -----Original Message----- From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com [mailto:missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of Sohail Mamdani Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:44 AM To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) DeuX Could you do that, please? If necessary, I'll find web space to host it... Sohail Mamdani On Jun 4, 2004, at 11:54 PM, Sam Mulvey wrote: > > On Jun 4, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Dave Arias wrote: > >> We just look like a niche group angry with T-mobile. That's easy to >> ignore. >> I agree with the matrix idea. All we really -need- is a simple CGI >> form. > > Okay, you don't to CGI. ASP is out.. how about PHP/MySQL? Wouldn't > take me long to bang out this weekend... > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > _______________________________________________ missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From jon at schalliol.com Sat Jun 5 13:54:29 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Sat Jun 5 12:54:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: (sigh) In-Reply-To: <200406051913.i55JDNH3022016@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406051913.i55JDNH3022016@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: I got my color sidekick for $35 + 1 year contract, a common price - even linked directly from the danger.com site at the time. >Also, isn't price-point an issue? The Sidekick can be had for $200, >whereas the Treo is >still in the $400+ range. From poberman at mac.com Sat Jun 5 20:13:13 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Sat Jun 5 19:13:18 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] getting off the sidekick Message-ID: <10AF9404-B75F-11D8-B2C5-000A95826904@mac.com> I have been trying to migrate from my sidekick and it has not been easy. I looked at the nokia 6820 on att. mmode was stupid and the device screen was too small to use. The nokia interface is a mess. I looked at the sony ericsson. great devices. They sync with mac. great interface. the t610, which is supported under t-mobile is nice, until you walk into the sunlight and then you can't see anything. I tried to download my contacts into the sim and on to the 610. Didn't work, what a surprise. The final straw was that the sony ericsson site says that the device has a wap 2.0 browser, but when you use it on t-mobile, it is just a thing called t-zones. text only. I have to call back into the wireless data group to see if you are stuck with that, but I imagine you are. There is the sony ericsson p900, running on symbian, but I fear that T-mobile won't let you use the 19.95 unlimited data plan on that device too. Not to mention, the best price I can find on it is 550.00. There is the VOQ phone, which is probably the best form factor, which I know that will be available, 500 too. Then, I finally just wanted to give up on connectivity and go with a good old motorola v60s phone, with speaker phone. back ordered. No standard v60's available through verizon in los angeles. They say that they are anticipating new models at the end of the month. T-mobile said the same thing. The best option I could come up with was to move myself and my wife over to nextel. Motorola speaker phones with walkie talkie for $50. The t-mobile rep had the nerve to tell me that he thought there was a new sidekick coming out. This is right after I spoke with a rep on the phone, who said that they were going to stop offering it. now what??? From Xystance at niu.edu Sat Jun 5 23:06:40 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Sat Jun 5 20:06:46 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] getting off the sidekick In-Reply-To: <10AF9404-B75F-11D8-B2C5-000A95826904@mac.com> Message-ID: <200406060306.i5636iH1002371@penguin.markspace.com> According to the Data Services people (I called them last week), They are expecting to release a new SideKick. They are not willing to give me a timetable. They are expecting to release a sync solution. They are not willing to give me a timetable. There reasons are, they've had time tables and they've all been broken many, many times. :) So, to not disappoint people (and this guy on the phone was very professional, so he wasn't being facetious) they aren't making any promises or giving any timetables . So, all we know is that it's going to happen, eventually. :| Then there are the rumours that T-Mobile hasn't released sync because they don't know how to monetize it... The things is, they don't NEED TO! Once it's released, they get tons of new business. So I'm talking to some people, I may be able to get this MySQL database put together soon, as in the next couple of days. But if someone wants to chat me up sooner than later, then all the better. :) -Dave AOL: Xystance ICQ: 199906 MSN: lightnin@suespammers.org Yahoo: XystanceZ PS: If Nextel decided to support a sidekick... (grin) I did switch from Nextel to T-Mobile just for the SideKick! -----Original Message----- From: missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com [mailto:missing-sync-hiptop-talk-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of paul oberman Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:13 PM To: The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] getting off the sidekick I have been trying to migrate from my sidekick and it has not been easy. I looked at the nokia 6820 on att. mmode was stupid and the device screen was too small to use. The nokia interface is a mess. I looked at the sony ericsson. great devices. They sync with mac. great interface. the t610, which is supported under t-mobile is nice, until you walk into the sunlight and then you can't see anything. I tried to download my contacts into the sim and on to the 610. Didn't work, what a surprise. The final straw was that the sony ericsson site says that the device has a wap 2.0 browser, but when you use it on t-mobile, it is just a thing called t-zones. text only. I have to call back into the wireless data group to see if you are stuck with that, but I imagine you are. There is the sony ericsson p900, running on symbian, but I fear that T-mobile won't let you use the 19.95 unlimited data plan on that device too. Not to mention, the best price I can find on it is 550.00. There is the VOQ phone, which is probably the best form factor, which I know that will be available, 500 too. Then, I finally just wanted to give up on connectivity and go with a good old motorola v60s phone, with speaker phone. back ordered. No standard v60's available through verizon in los angeles. They say that they are anticipating new models at the end of the month. T-mobile said the same thing. The best option I could come up with was to move myself and my wife over to nextel. Motorola speaker phones with walkie talkie for $50. The t-mobile rep had the nerve to tell me that he thought there was a new sidekick coming out. This is right after I spoke with a rep on the phone, who said that they were going to stop offering it. now what??? _______________________________________________ missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From markspace at zeb.mailshell.com Sun Jun 6 15:18:47 2004 From: markspace at zeb.mailshell.com (markspace@zeb.mailshell.com) Date: Sun Jun 6 14:18:49 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] leaving the hiptop/SK Message-ID: <1086556727.40c38a3799d08@www.mailshell.com> I decided to leave the Danger platform, as many of you are considering. I am hoping I can sync before I exit. I've been using SK's since they were 1st released. I've been through more than 6 of them. The new SK is supposed to look like this http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/first_danger_hiptop_2_pictures.php http://www.engadget.com/entry/4068643653231621/ It's being overtaken by some other convergence phones, as many of you have noted. The one I am keeping my eye on is the Motorola MPx: http://www.engadget.com/entry/6561347367056557/ "Running Windows Mobile SE, the MPx will be a Pocket PC Phone Edition device that skirts the line between a wireless handheld and a Pocket PC. With its dual hinges, the MPx will take advantage of the Windows Mobile 2003 SE's ability to switch on the fly between portrait and landscape modes, but its display will be at the standard resolution of 240 by 320 pixels. As well as both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, the MPx will be able to connect to GSM/GPRS wireless networks for voice and data. It will have an SD slot for additional storage." It should come between September and December. Hopefully, I will be able to buy and use missing sync for hiptop at least once before then. Cheers. _______________________________________________________ The FREE service that prevents junk email http://www.mailshell.com From poberman at mac.com Sun Jun 6 18:43:01 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Sun Jun 6 17:43:04 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] leaving the hiptop/SK In-Reply-To: <1086556727.40c38a3799d08@www.mailshell.com> References: <1086556727.40c38a3799d08@www.mailshell.com> Message-ID: i just got off the phone last night with t-mobile wireless data, where i gave them an earful about how i couldn't even migrate to another one of their phones, without loosing all of my data. I asked: If that's the case, why stay with you at all. I told them that I expected an answer in form of a lucid email, which commented directly to the problem. I said that I didn't want a "feel good" boilerplate response. in the mean time, I am going to try and use my friend's pc to use sksync with outlook and manually scrape the desktop interface. I will construct my database between that and palm. Once I have one database, i will import it with isync. By the end of this month, that should be done and another device should be out, that will fit the bill. Verizon and t-mobile have said they are expecting new devices at the end of the month. P900 sony ericsson would be nice, but to expensive The Voq is great, but who knows how that is going to work with the carriers and finally, my favorite, the Motorola A630 http://www.pauloberman.com/mopen.gif http://www.pauloberman.com/mclose.gif paul On Jun 6, 2004, at 2:18 PM, markspace@zeb.mailshell.com wrote: > I decided to leave the Danger platform, as many of you are > considering. I am hoping I can sync before I exit. I've been using > SK's since they were 1st released. I've been through more than 6 of > them. The new SK is supposed to look like this > http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/first_danger_hiptop_2_pictures.php > http://www.engadget.com/entry/4068643653231621/ > > It's being overtaken by some other convergence phones, as many of you > have noted. The one I am keeping my eye on is the Motorola MPx: > http://www.engadget.com/entry/6561347367056557/ > > "Running Windows Mobile SE, the MPx will be a Pocket PC Phone Edition > device that skirts the line between a wireless handheld and a Pocket > PC. With its dual hinges, the MPx will take advantage of the Windows > Mobile 2003 SE's ability to switch on the fly between portrait and > landscape modes, but its display will be at the standard resolution of > 240 by 320 pixels. As well as both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, the MPx will > be able to connect to GSM/GPRS wireless networks for voice and data. > It will have an SD slot for additional storage." > > It should come between September and December. Hopefully, I will be > able to buy and use missing sync for hiptop at least once before then. > > Cheers. > > _______________________________________________________ > The FREE service that prevents junk email http://www.mailshell.com > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From poberman at mac.com Sun Jun 6 18:44:02 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Sun Jun 6 17:44:05 2004 Subject: Fwd: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] leaving the hiptop/SK Message-ID: http://www.pauloberman.com/mclosed.gif Begin forwarded message: > From: paul oberman > Date: June 6, 2004 5:43:01 PM PDT > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] leaving the hiptop/SK > > i just got off the phone last night with t-mobile wireless data, where > i gave them an earful about how i couldn't even migrate to another one > of their phones, without loosing all of my data. > > I asked: If that's the case, why stay with you at all. I told them > that I expected an answer in form of a lucid email, which commented > directly to the problem. I said that I didn't want a "feel good" > boilerplate response. > > in the mean time, I am going to try and use my friend's pc to use > sksync with outlook and manually scrape the desktop interface. I will > construct my database between that and palm. Once I have one database, > i will import it with isync. > > By the end of this month, that should be done and another device > should be out, that will fit the bill. Verizon and t-mobile have said > they are expecting new devices at the end of the month. > > P900 sony ericsson would be nice, but to expensive > > The Voq is great, but who knows how that is going to work with the > carriers > > and finally, my favorite, the Motorola A630 > > http://www.pauloberman.com/mopen.gif > http://www.pauloberman.com/mclose.gif > > paul > > > On Jun 6, 2004, at 2:18 PM, markspace@zeb.mailshell.com wrote: > >> I decided to leave the Danger platform, as many of you are >> considering. I am hoping I can sync before I exit. I've been using >> SK's since they were 1st released. I've been through more than 6 of >> them. The new SK is supposed to look like this >> http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/first_danger_hiptop_2_pictures.php >> http://www.engadget.com/entry/4068643653231621/ >> >> It's being overtaken by some other convergence phones, as many of you >> have noted. The one I am keeping my eye on is the Motorola MPx: >> http://www.engadget.com/entry/6561347367056557/ >> >> "Running Windows Mobile SE, the MPx will be a Pocket PC Phone Edition >> device that skirts the line between a wireless handheld and a Pocket >> PC. With its dual hinges, the MPx will take advantage of the Windows >> Mobile 2003 SE's ability to switch on the fly between portrait and >> landscape modes, but its display will be at the standard resolution >> of 240 by 320 pixels. As well as both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, the MPx >> will be able to connect to GSM/GPRS wireless networks for voice and >> data. It will have an SD slot for additional storage." >> >> It should come between September and December. Hopefully, I will be >> able to buy and use missing sync for hiptop at least once before >> then. >> >> Cheers. >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> The FREE service that prevents junk email http://www.mailshell.com >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3318 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040606/bd769157/attachment.bin From msparby at mac.com Tue Jun 8 13:20:37 2004 From: msparby at mac.com (Matthew Sparby) Date: Tue Jun 8 09:21:09 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? Message-ID: I noticed this blurb on the hiptop.com site: http://www.hiptop.com/news/?news_id=180 Sync now available for the Cable & Wireless customers Posted 4/28/04 10:26 am by Appletech Cable and Wireless has chosen to release Intellisync for hiptop for its users. Beginning today, Cable and Wireless users can download the software for free from their Desktop Interface and sync their hiptop with Microsoft Outlook From toma at tmail.com Tue Jun 8 13:42:50 2004 From: toma at tmail.com (Thomas Alexander) Date: Tue Jun 8 09:43:11 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086712986.252E4C1D@w37.dngr.org> How do we become a customer of C&W and carry our contacts and calendar?...do you know...I will switch in an instant tom From ncgates at mac.com Tue Jun 8 17:39:52 2004 From: ncgates at mac.com (Nicholas Gates) Date: Tue Jun 8 13:40:00 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <200406081925.i58JPYH3008676@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406081925.i58JPYH3008676@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: On Jun 8, 2004, at 3:25 PM, missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > Send missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list submissions to > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-hiptop-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? (Matthew Sparby) > 2. Re: Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? (Thomas > Alexander) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:20:37 -0400 > From: Matthew Sparby > Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for C&W > Subscribers? > To: missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I noticed this blurb on the hiptop.com site: > > http://www.hiptop.com/news/?news_id=180 > > Sync now available for the Cable & Wireless customers > Posted 4/28/04 10:26 am by Appletech > > Cable and Wireless has chosen to release Intellisync for hiptop for its > users. Beginning today, Cable and Wireless users can download the > software for free from their Desktop Interface and sync their hiptop > with Microsoft Outlook > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:42:50 -0400 > From: Thomas Alexander > Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for C&W > Subscribers? > To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List" > > Message-ID: <1086712986.252E4C1D@w37.dngr.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" > > How do we become a customer of C&W and carry our contacts and > calendar?...do you know...I will switch in an instant > tom > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > End of missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 > ****************************************************** From jispot at tmail.com Tue Jun 8 16:47:17 2004 From: jispot at tmail.com (Ji Park) Date: Tue Jun 8 15:47:20 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: References: <200406081925.i58JPYH3008676@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <1086734837.17797B4E@w37.dngr.org> On 06/08/04 at 20:39 you wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2004, at 3:25 PM, missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > > >Send missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list submissions to > > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-hiptop-talk digest..." > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? (Matthew Sparby) > > 2. Re: Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? (Thomas > >Alexander) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:20:37 -0400 > >From: Matthew Sparby > >Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for C&W > > Subscribers? > >To: missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > >I noticed this blurb on the hiptop.com site: > > > >http://www.hiptop.com/news/?news_id=180 > > > >Sync now available for the Cable & Wireless customers > >Posted 4/28/04 10:26 am by Appletech > > > >Cable and Wireless has chosen to release Intellisync for hiptop for > its > >users. Beginning today, Cable and Wireless users can download the > >software for free from their Desktop Interface and sync their hiptop > >with Microsoft Outlook > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:42:50 -0400 > >From: Thomas Alexander > >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for > C&W > > Subscribers? > >To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List" > > > >Message-ID: <1086712986.252E4C1D@w37.dngr.org> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" > > > >How do we become a customer of C&W and carry our contacts and > >calendar?...do you know...I will switch in an instant > >tom > > > >------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > > > >End of missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 > >****************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk --ji From gwjones at echoes.net Tue Jun 8 20:05:29 2004 From: gwjones at echoes.net (Gregory Jones) Date: Tue Jun 8 16:05:31 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <1086734837.17797B4E@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: <55AB1250-B9A0-11D8-86FC-0003937826F0@echoes.net> On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 06:47 PM, Ji Park wrote: > On 06/08/04 at 20:39 you wrote: >> >> On Jun 8, 2004, at 3:25 PM, > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: >> >> >Send missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list submissions to >> > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >> > >> >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop->> talk >> >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com >> > >> >You can reach the person managing the list at >> > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com >> > >> >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-hiptop-talk digest..." >> > >> > >> >Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? (Matthew Sparby) >> > 2. Re: Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? (Thomas >> >Alexander) >> > >> > >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> > >> >Message: 1 >> >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:20:37 -0400 >> >From: Matthew Sparby >> >Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for C&W >> > Subscribers? >> >To: missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> > >> >I noticed this blurb on the hiptop.com site: >> > >> >http://www.hiptop.com/news/?news_id=180 >> > >> >Sync now available for the Cable & Wireless customers >> >Posted 4/28/04 10:26 am by Appletech >> > >> >Cable and Wireless has chosen to release Intellisync for hiptop for >> its >> >users. Beginning today, Cable and Wireless users can download the >> >software for free from their Desktop Interface and sync their hiptop >> >with Microsoft Outlook >> > >> > >> >------------------------------ >> > >> >Message: 2 >> >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:42:50 -0400 >> >From: Thomas Alexander >> >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for >> C&W >> > Subscribers? >> >To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List" >> > >> >Message-ID: <1086712986.252E4C1D@w37.dngr.org> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" >> > >> >How do we become a customer of C&W and carry our contacts and >> >calendar?...do you know...I will switch in an instant >> >tom >> > >> >------------------------------ >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list >> >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >> >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk >> > >> > >> >End of missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 >> >****************************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > --ji > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential information belonging to the sender which is protected, If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. Thank you for your cooperation. From staffin at uiuc.edu Tue Jun 8 19:15:31 2004 From: staffin at uiuc.edu (Ben Staffin) Date: Tue Jun 8 16:15:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <55AB1250-B9A0-11D8-86FC-0003937826F0@echoes.net> References: <1086734837.17797B4E@w37.dngr.org> <55AB1250-B9A0-11D8-86FC-0003937826F0@echoes.net> Message-ID: <20040608231531.GD11828@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> Plese STOP DOING THIS! Read the instructions! * Gregory Jones [2004-06-08 18:05] wibbled: > On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 06:47 PM, Ji Park wrote: > > >On 06/08/04 at 20:39 you wrote: > >> > >> On Jun 8, 2004, at 3:25 PM, > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > >> > >> >Send missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list submissions to > >> > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >> > > >> >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > >>> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop->> > >>talk > >> >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com > >> > > >> >You can reach the person managing the list at > >> > missing-sync-hiptop-talk-owner@lists.markspace.com > >> > > >> >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> >than "Re: Contents of missing-sync-hiptop-talk digest..." > >> > > >> > > >> >Today's Topics: > >> > > >> > 1. Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? (Matthew Sparby) > >> > 2. Re: Hiptop Sync available for C&W Subscribers? (Thomas > >> >Alexander) > >> > > >> > > >> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>- > >> > > >> >Message: 1 > >> >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:20:37 -0400 > >> >From: Matthew Sparby > >> >Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for C&W > >> > Subscribers? > >> >To: missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >> > > >> >I noticed this blurb on the hiptop.com site: > >> > > >> >http://www.hiptop.com/news/?news_id=180 > >> > > >> >Sync now available for the Cable & Wireless customers > >> >Posted 4/28/04 10:26 am by Appletech > >> > > >> >Cable and Wireless has chosen to release Intellisync for hiptop for > >>its > >> >users. Beginning today, Cable and Wireless users can download the > >> >software for free from their Desktop Interface and sync their hiptop > >> >with Microsoft Outlook > >> > > >> > > >> >------------------------------ > >> > > >> >Message: 2 > >> >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:42:50 -0400 > >> >From: Thomas Alexander > >> >Subject: Re: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync available for > >>C&W > >> > Subscribers? > >> >To: "The Missing Sync (Mac/hiptop) Discussion List" > >> > > >> >Message-ID: <1086712986.252E4C1D@w37.dngr.org> > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" > >> > > >> >How do we become a customer of C&W and carry our contacts and > >> >calendar?...do you know...I will switch in an instant > >> >tom > >> > > >> >------------------------------ > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > >> >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >> >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > >> > > >> > > >> >End of missing-sync-hiptop-talk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 > >> >****************************************************** > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > >--ji > >_______________________________________________ > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission is intended > for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and > may contain confidential information belonging to the sender which is > protected, If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of > any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please > notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original > message. Thank you for your cooperation. > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk -- /-- | Ben Staffin perpetual nerd | --/ From msparby at mac.com Thu Jun 10 19:53:04 2004 From: msparby at mac.com (Matthew Sparby) Date: Thu Jun 10 15:53:05 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile Message-ID: From the Hiptop.com forums: http://www.hiptop.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15989 From: "Zidar, Bryan" Subject: T-Mobile statement Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:25:27 -0700 "Sidekick was chosen for its appeal to consumers who want one integrated, stand-alone communication solution at an unparalleled value. We are aware of the petition and continue to evaluate new Sidekick offerings, but, at this time, do not have plans to launch PIM synch." Bryan Zidar Senior Manager Media Relations T-Mobile USA 425-378-6082 From sam at vis.nu Thu Jun 10 18:28:29 2004 From: sam at vis.nu (Sam Mulvey) Date: Thu Jun 10 17:28:44 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435CE29B-BB3E-11D8-8B91-000A95C8ABDA@vis.nu> On Jun 10, 2004, at 3:53 PM, Matthew Sparby wrote: > > "Sidekick was chosen for its appeal to consumers who want one > integrated, stand-alone communication solution at an unparalleled > value. We are aware of the petition and continue to evaluate new > Sidekick offerings, but, at this time, do not have plans to launch PIM > synch." > > That must be a shock the the Markspace folks, I would say. I had personal junk come to the fore over the weekend, I can still do that CGI, if it's even appropriate at this time. Sam From dand at pcisys.net Fri Jun 11 00:39:17 2004 From: dand at pcisys.net (Dan Duncan) Date: Thu Jun 10 22:39:20 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > "Sidekick was chosen for its appeal to consumers who want one > integrated, stand-alone communication solution at an unparalleled > value. We are aware of the petition and continue to evaluate new > Sidekick offerings, but, at this time, do not have plans to launch PIM > synch." I can't say I'm surprised. I got a B&W sidekick when they first came out on the promise it would someday be able to sync and accept third party applications. I went through my entire one year contract and Danger never delivered on their promise. I jumped ship and got a different phone that didn't make any future promises but delivered everything Danger ever promised right out of the box. Don't ever expect Danger to deliver anything. My wife still enjoys her sidekick and recently got OS X, so I joined this list to learn about Missing Sync. My question is this: Why wait on Danger to provide any functionality? Can't you just write an app that goes through the web interface to the sidekick desktop and grabs the appropriate information to sync? I've worked with unix scripts that parse information from dynamic web pages (written by a cow-orker of mine) and there's no real magic to it. When I first heard about Missing Sync I just assumed that's what it was doing. I think Danger specializes in vaporware. -DanD -- # Dan Duncan (kd4igw) dand@pcisys.net http://pcisys.net/~dand From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 11 00:06:18 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Thu Jun 10 23:06:23 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7439D775-BB6D-11D8-B5E6-000A95826904@mac.com> My friend has a pc program that he is going to configure to "scrape" the interface and retrieve my data. going over to the p900 sony ericsson. check it out. supports all the same features as the sidekick. no keyboard paul On Jun 10, 2004, at 10:39 PM, Dan Duncan wrote: >> "Sidekick was chosen for its appeal to consumers who want one >> integrated, stand-alone communication solution at an unparalleled >> value. We are aware of the petition and continue to evaluate new >> Sidekick offerings, but, at this time, do not have plans to launch PIM >> synch." > > I can't say I'm surprised. I got a B&W sidekick when they first came > out on the promise it would someday be able to sync and accept > third party applications. I went through my entire one year > contract and Danger never delivered on their promise. I jumped > ship and got a different phone that didn't make any future promises > but delivered everything Danger ever promised right out of the > box. > > Don't ever expect Danger to deliver anything. > > My wife still enjoys her sidekick and recently got OS X, so > I joined this list to learn about Missing Sync. > > My question is this: > Why wait on Danger to provide any functionality? Can't you just > write an app that goes through the web interface to the sidekick > desktop and grabs the appropriate information to sync? I've worked > with unix scripts that parse information from dynamic web pages > (written by a cow-orker of mine) and there's no real magic to it. > When I first heard about Missing Sync I just assumed that's what > it was doing. > > I think Danger specializes in vaporware. > > -DanD > > -- > # Dan Duncan (kd4igw) dand@pcisys.net http://pcisys.net/~dand > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From arlo at workthatmouse.com Fri Jun 11 00:50:33 2004 From: arlo at workthatmouse.com (Arlo Rose) Date: Thu Jun 10 23:50:36 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <7439D775-BB6D-11D8-B5E6-000A95826904@mac.com> References: <7439D775-BB6D-11D8-B5E6-000A95826904@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jun 10, 2004, at 11:06 PM, paul oberman wrote: > check it out. supports all the same features as the sidekick. I see no sign of an AIM client. Does it have a decent one? Cheers, Arlo Rose -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2373 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040610/b05f0a40/smime.bin From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 11 01:04:23 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (Paul Obermn) Date: Fri Jun 11 00:04:26 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: <7439D775-BB6D-11D8-B5E6-000A95826904@mac.com> Message-ID: <91D24B95-BB75-11D8-936D-003065A82F8C@mac.com> since it is more of a computer, you can download software. there is chat client software" it is better, it supports all platforms. you don't have a keyboard with the p900, but it does have handwriting recognition, which should be adequate for most mobile messaging needs http://www.shapeservices.com/eng/im/P800/ the good thing is that there is a unlimited wireless plan under t-mobile for 20 bucks and it is on their backend servers, so you can export your data. syncs with pc or macintosh paul On Jun 10, 2004, at 11:50 PM, Arlo Rose wrote: > On Jun 10, 2004, at 11:06 PM, paul oberman wrote: > >> check it out. supports all the same features as the sidekick. > > I see no sign of an AIM client. Does it have a decent one? > > > Cheers, > Arlo Rose > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From jon at schalliol.com Fri Jun 11 13:46:48 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Jun 11 12:47:07 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <200406111900.i5BJ0DH3032715@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406111900.i5BJ0DH3032715@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: Dan, I don't think you get it. Danger HAS this functionality possible, but T-Mobile doesn't want to allow it to work, thus the C&W announcement. Don't blame Danger, blame T-Mobile. Best, Jon >My question is this: >Why wait on Danger to provide any functionality? Can't you just >write an app that goes through the web interface to the sidekick >desktop and grabs the appropriate information to sync? I've worked >with unix scripts that parse information from dynamic web pages >(written by a cow-orker of mine) and there's no real magic to it. >When I first heard about Missing Sync I just assumed that's what >it was doing. > >I think Danger specializes in vaporware. > From dand at pcisys.net Fri Jun 11 14:50:31 2004 From: dand at pcisys.net (Dan Duncan) Date: Fri Jun 11 12:50:33 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: <7439D775-BB6D-11D8-B5E6-000A95826904@mac.com> References: <7439D775-BB6D-11D8-B5E6-000A95826904@mac.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, paul oberman wrote: > My friend has a pc program that he is going to configure to "scrape" > the interface and retrieve my data. going over to the p900 sony > ericsson. > check it out. supports all the same features as the sidekick. The phone I switched to is the P800, so I'm quite familiar with the P900 as well. When the price drops, I'll probably upgrade. In addition to most of the sidekick functionality, the P800 added removable memory cards and a removable battery (and replacement batteries were $8 so I got 2 spares), a touch screen, built-in camera, stereo sound, loads of installable 3rd party apps (which is why I immediately ordered a larger memory card), an infrared port that ACTUALLY WORKS (and will do both IRDA and beam contacts to/from Palm, PocketPC, etc), and Bluetooth. It will also allow me to use the phone's GPRS as a data connection from my laptop or pda over USB, IR, or bluetooth. Oh, and the phone syncs with all sorts of OSes and apps and doesn't require daily recharging. > no keyboard I've found using Ezitap to add word completion to the onscreen keyboard increases my speed considerably. It also remembers words I use frequently and puts them first in the list. I keep hoping Sony Ericsson will update the Ericsson chatboard in a compact bluetooth or IR format and then I'll even have a thumbboard. -DanD -- # Dan Duncan (kd4igw) dand@pcisys.net http://pcisys.net/~dand # If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We # might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. -DEEP THOUGHTS From dand at pcisys.net Fri Jun 11 14:54:11 2004 From: dand at pcisys.net (Dan Duncan) Date: Fri Jun 11 12:54:14 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: <200406111900.i5BJ0DH3032715@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: > I don't think you get it. Danger HAS this functionality possible, > but T-Mobile doesn't want to allow it to work, thus the C&W > announcement. Don't blame Danger, blame T-Mobile. Maybe. Danger has proven in the past they don't deliver on software promises (I signed up as a developer, so I've seen the third party apps that programmers have wasted their personal time developing that they'll probably never be able to deliver to customers) so I no longer believe anything they tell me. -DanD -- # Dan Duncan (kd4igw) dand@pcisys.net http://pcisys.net/~dand # Expressing anger is a form of public littering. -Willard Gaylin From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 11 14:55:09 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Fri Jun 11 13:55:13 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: <200406111900.i5BJ0DH3032715@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <9FDF43C8-BBE9-11D8-B5E6-000A95826904@mac.com> i just got my key and installed a package on the sidekick. i understand that there is a sync software package that is up there for download paul On Jun 11, 2004, at 12:54 PM, Dan Duncan wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: >> I don't think you get it. Danger HAS this functionality possible, >> but T-Mobile doesn't want to allow it to work, thus the C&W >> announcement. Don't blame Danger, blame T-Mobile. > > Maybe. > > Danger has proven in the past they don't deliver on software > promises (I signed up as a developer, so I've seen the third party > apps that programmers have wasted their personal time developing > that they'll probably never be able to deliver to customers) > so I no longer believe anything they tell me. > > -DanD > > -- > # Dan Duncan (kd4igw) dand@pcisys.net http://pcisys.net/~dand > # Expressing anger is a form of public littering. -Willard Gaylin > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From poberman at mail.mac.com Tue Jun 15 15:37:08 2004 From: poberman at mail.mac.com (Paul Oberman) Date: Tue Jun 15 14:37:14 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Official Word: No Sync from T-Mobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1087335430.943EFCC@w37.dngr.org> Yes, it is a third party client and supports all chat transports. On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:03am, Arlo Rose wrote: > On Jun 10, 2004, at 11:06 PM, paul oberman wrote: > >> check it out. supports all the same features as the sidekick. > > I see no sign of an AIM client. Does it have a decent one? > > > Cheers, > Arlo Rose From Xystance at niu.edu Wed Jun 16 00:51:58 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Tue Jun 15 21:52:20 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] SideKick & Sync (PC & MAC) ready... http://www.itlx.com/sidekick Message-ID: <200406160452.i5G4qGH1017952@penguin.markspace.com> Ok, it's done. Thanks to the help of another T-Mobile/SideKick subscriber, we have a fully featured survey. http://www.itlx.com/sidekick/ It asks for: Full Name E-Mail Address State T-Mobile Subscriber? Then it asks questions about how many T-Mobile customers you know, how many SideKick customers you know, how many people are willing to go to T-Mobile if sync for sidekick is released, are you willing to pay, etc... Take this. Spread this around, to EVERYONE you know. The only way I can shoot this over to T-Mobile is if a large, large amount of people have taken the survey... And I mean in the thousands. They won't care if 20 people take a survey. They'll care if they have semi-solid marketing data that they can bring to someone that can make the decisions. Spread this to every listserv, hiptop message board... Yes, we need Slashdot too. :) Dave Arias From Xystance at niu.edu Wed Jun 16 01:37:44 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Tue Jun 15 22:38:03 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] SideKick & Sync (PC & MAC) ready, changed host to permanent one at http://www.xystance.org/sidekick/ Message-ID: <200406160538.i5G5c1H1019228@penguin.markspace.com> Sorry about that, the person running ITLX told me that if I post that link to Slashdot he will kill me. :) So it's back on my server, which I just finished setting up. http://www.xystance.org/sidekick/ Dave Arias ______________________________________________________________ n order to facilitate the release of a Sync solution for the SideKick for T-Mobile here in the US, I've created a survey that I intend to send to multiple people at T-Mobile. http://www.xystance.org/sidekick/ It asks for: Full Name E-Mail Address State T-Mobile Subscriber? Then it asks questions about how many T-Mobile customers you know, how many SideKick customers you know, how many people are willing to go to T-Mobile if sync for sidekick is released, are you willing to pay, etc... Take this. Spread this around, to EVERYONE you know. The only way I can shoot this over to T-Mobile is if a large, large amount of people have taken the survey... And I mean in the thousands. They won't care if 20 people take a survey. They'll care if they have semi-solid marketing data that they can bring to someone that can make the decisions. We can make them money. All we want in return is to have a single address book, calendar, and to do list among all of our apps, PC, MAC, and HipTop. IntelliSync works. MissingSync works. They're all ready to go thanks to PumaTech and MarkSpace. They're just waiting on T-Mobile. Spread this to every listserv, hiptop message board... Yes, we need Slashdot too. :) Help MAKE THIS HAPPEN! From chrisrodney at sympatico.ca Wed Jun 16 16:15:37 2004 From: chrisrodney at sympatico.ca (Christopher Rodney) Date: Wed Jun 16 12:16:00 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync in Canada Message-ID: <8C7ABB18-BFC9-11D8-AB33-000A95B96DCA@sympatico.ca> So, Markspace, since T-Mobile isn't supporting your sync product, what about Fido in Canada? Are you moving forward with them? From kfreeman at markspace.com Wed Jun 16 13:52:59 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Wed Jun 16 12:53:03 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Hiptop Sync in Canada In-Reply-To: <8C7ABB18-BFC9-11D8-AB33-000A95B96DCA@sympatico.ca> References: <8C7ABB18-BFC9-11D8-AB33-000A95B96DCA@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Mark/Space isn't able to work directly with the carriers alone to enable PIM sync. Danger and the carrier have to enable PIM sync on their production servers and enable the APIs that the Missing Sync software uses. Fido in Canada is one of Danger's carriers who could choose to implement PIM sync, and if they do the Missing Sync for hiptop would work on their network. Ken On Jun 16, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Christopher Rodney wrote: > So, Markspace, since T-Mobile isn't supporting your sync product, what > about Fido in Canada? Are you moving forward with them? > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From jon at schalliol.com Thu Jun 3 17:21:55 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? Message-ID: Almost another month has passed since I sent the previous status request. Could someone at M/S please let us know what's going on? I haven't seen a M/S (or danger, t-mobile, etc) employee post here in at least two months, though I could have missed it. From envaffairs at mac.com Thu Jun 3 21:15:59 2004 From: envaffairs at mac.com (Howard Berman) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I gave up on the S/K. I just bought a T-Mobile Pocket PC phone. While it does not handle certain things as well as the s/k, there are things that it does handle better. In addition, there is 3rd part software for it to sync with either Mail and iCal or Entourage. And there is expandable memory. On 6/3/04 7:21 PM, "Jonathan Schalliol" wrote: > Almost another month has passed since I sent the previous status > request. Could someone at M/S please let us know what's going on? I > haven't seen a M/S (or danger, t-mobile, etc) employee post here in > at least two months, though I could have missed it. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk Howard Berman, Esq. President Environmental Mediation, Inc. 4695 MacArthur Court Suite 1250 Newport Beach, CA 92660 (949) 476-9109 (Office) (202) 361-6369 (Cell) (949) 476-2471 (Fax) The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Jun 3 18:16:46 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Almost another month has passed since I sent the previous status >request. Could someone at M/S please let us know what's going on? I >haven't seen a M/S (or danger, t-mobile, etc) employee post here in >at least two months, though I could have missed it. We haven't had anything to add. The situation has not changed, and is, unfortunately, beyond our control. (For those wondering what our current statement is on the release, see the section titled "Release Update" at http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_hiptop.html) The most relevant portion of that statement is: "Unfortunately, the release date for the Missing Sync for hiptop will be delayed until Danger and their carriers have made the necessary preparations. Each Danger hiptop carrier will decide if and when they plan to support PIM synchronization." We regret that we don't have better news. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From wilcox at unm.edu Thu Jun 3 19:23:10 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/3/04 6:16 PM, "Brian Hall" wrote: > We regret that we don't have better news. Thanks for that update, Brian. I think we all understand that this is beyond your control. I'm one of those who is investigating devices for switching, the Treo 600 being my top contender. If I do that, I'll be looking into Mark/Space mail as well. -- Sherman From poberman at mac.com Thu Jun 3 18:58:32 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (Paul Obermn) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CEBB348-B5C2-11D8-82BC-003065A82F8C@mac.com> there are two devices coming out this month that will do what sidekick users need. one is from www.voq.com On Jun 3, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Howard Berman wrote: > I gave up on the S/K. I just bought a T-Mobile Pocket PC phone. > While it > does not handle certain things as well as the s/k, there are things > that it > does handle better. In addition, there is 3rd part software for it to > sync > with either Mail and iCal or Entourage. And there is expandable memory. > > > On 6/3/04 7:21 PM, "Jonathan Schalliol" wrote: > >> Almost another month has passed since I sent the previous status >> request. Could someone at M/S please let us know what's going on? I >> haven't seen a M/S (or danger, t-mobile, etc) employee post here in >> at least two months, though I could have missed it. >> _______________________________________________ >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list >> missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >> http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > > Howard Berman, Esq. > President > Environmental Mediation, Inc. > 4695 MacArthur Court > Suite 1250 > Newport Beach, CA 92660 > (949) 476-9109 (Office) > (202) 361-6369 (Cell) > (949) 476-2471 (Fax) > > > The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for > the > personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This > message > may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as > such is > privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this > document in > error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this > message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original > message. > > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From poberman at mac.com Thu Jun 3 18:57:19 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (Paul Obermn) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? 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In-Reply-To: <4CEBB348-B5C2-11D8-82BC-003065A82F8C@mac.com> References: <4CEBB348-B5C2-11D8-82BC-003065A82F8C@mac.com> Message-ID: >there are two devices coming out this month that will do what sidekick >users need. one is from www.voq.com It looks like it runs Windows Mobile, which we should have covered with Missing Sync for Pocket PC (http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_pocketpc.html) If anyone is lucky enough to already have one and would like to test it with Missing Sync for us, let us know (just one person is enough). brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Jun 3 21:07:05 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Thanks for that update, Brian. I think we all understand that this is beyond >your control. I'm one of those who is investigating devices for switching, >the Treo 600 being my top contender. If I do that, I'll be looking into >Mark/Space mail as well. Treo 600 with Mark/Space Mail is what I personally use. We added attachment support in the 2.0 version, which I use frequently to take a picture with the built-in camera and then send as an email attachment. (Which, FWIW, we will be supporting with our upcoming next generation Missing Sync product, see www.markspaced.com/cobalt.html) Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From jon at schalliol.com Thu Jun 3 22:26:37 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: <200406040302.i5432LH3027861@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200406040302.i5432LH3027861@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: You must have known that this would be dependent upon Danger and the carriers before you developed the product. I assume that you have been talking to these companies. Did they just say, "hmm, dunno, maybe we will support that, maybe not...oh, and we don't want to talk to you for a while." Soooo, what's the deal? :-D Can't we write someone letters or something like that? >We haven't had anything to add. The situation has not changed, and is, >unfortunately, beyond our control. > >(For those wondering what our current statement is on the release, see the >section titled "Release Update" at >http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_hiptop.html) > >The most relevant portion of that statement is: > >"Unfortunately, the release date for the Missing Sync for hiptop will be >delayed until Danger and their carriers have made the necessary >preparations. Each Danger hiptop carrier will decide if and when they plan >to support PIM synchronization." > >We regret that we don't have better news. > >Brian > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 >540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 >Los Gatos, CA 95030 From wilcox at unm.edu Thu Jun 3 23:41:46 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/3/04 6:15 PM, "Howard Berman" wrote: > I gave up on the S/K. I just bought a T-Mobile Pocket PC phone. I just still can't bring myself to buy a Microsoft-based OS ;-) -- Sherman From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 4 00:32:38 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] June 3rd, What's the Status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it is a shame that our biggest hope is a microsoft based product. can you guys at markspace support the VOQ.com phone? it is the best hope to get rid of the hiptop paul From brian_hall at markspace.com Fri Jun 4 00:36:28 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] voq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:32 PM -0700 6/3/04, paul oberman wrote: >it is a shame that our biggest hope is a microsoft based product. can >you guys at markspace support the VOQ.com phone? At their web site it says it runs Windows Mobile. Which means it should work with our current release of Missing Sync for Pocket PC, but we haven't seen one yet to be able to test it. Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From poberman at mac.com Fri Jun 4 00:48:02 2004 From: poberman at mac.com (paul oberman) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] voq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FF1B6C8-B5F3-11D8-A7C0-000A95826904@mac.com> if i have my way, i will have one as soon as i can squirrel the money together. 15 months of waiting for hiptop has pissed me off. On Jun 3, 2004, at 11:36 PM, Brian Hall wrote: > At 11:32 PM -0700 6/3/04, paul oberman wrote: >> it is a shame that our biggest hope isif I a microsoft based product. >> can >> you guys at markspace support the VOQ.com phone? > > At their web site it says it runs Windows Mobile. Which means it should > work with our current release of Missing Sync for Pocket PC, but we > haven't > seen one yet to be able to test it. > > Brian > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 > 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 > Los Gatos, CA 95030 > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk From vicmarr at earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 10:28:26 2004 From: vicmarr at earthlink.net (Eddie Cohen) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] New hiptop Message-ID: <1086355919.67E9FC3@s5.dngr.org> Well, from what I gather, a new hiptop model is coming out shortly, and I can just hope and pray that this model with have sync included with it. From Xystance at niu.edu Fri Jun 4 16:13:32 2004 From: Xystance at niu.edu (Dave Arias) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:31 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] (sigh) In-Reply-To: <1FF1B6C8-B5F3-11D8-A7C0-000A95826904@mac.com> Message-ID: <200406042013.i54KDaH1032438@penguin.markspace.com> Well, you know the worst part of all of this is... We as Mac users are often passed over by software developers and companies for things that are seemingly trivial. My most recent example? I warn you... it's trivial... Command & Conquer : Generals / MAC by Aspyr. It -finally- comes out, two months late. I'm ready to purchase it, but it doesn't network play with Windows clients. That's what we get for the choice of DirectPlay for a network stack (which consistently desynchronizes during games and causes problems). But as a Mac lover, and a PC user... and a hard-core tech who understands the underlying reasons for things... it's a killer, but I'm used to it. But we aren't the only ones being hit by Danger / T-Mobile's inability to either release the sync solution or open their servers up for someone to sync to. It's -everyone- who has invested in a Hiptop. Except those over at C&W that is... It's so frustrating. I enter all this data into the Hiptop because it's easy, and it's backed up in case something happens. But I can't see it on a computer in any regular calendaring application. So I have three different calendars; Hiptop, GroupWise, and Exchange. For me, all I need is T-Mobile to approve synching, and it -all- goes away, on the Mac and the PC platforms. I get one calendar, things work, and about fifty people I personally know and work with will purchase the third generation Hiptop when it comes out. They're drooling over it. They've seen my second generation Hiptop, they've seen me absolutely love it... and they've seen me swear when I have to manually translate calendar entries from one to another. Everything I've said above has been said before by PC and Mac users alike. T-Mobile and Danger are shooting themselves in the foot, etc... But we aren't the only ones being shut down. Missing Sync is ready, Markspace has stated that they're ready. So... why not attach ourselves to some other forums and boards and get something -significant- going? On the scale of... 10,000 requests to T-mobile from CURRENT subscribers stating that we -need- this. That we -want- this. That each of us know tens of people that want a SideKick for business, but will love it for home use. We must appeal to their business interests. I'm not posing that we threaten to drop service. There are contracts, and for me... the Hiptop kicks too much ass. But there is SO MUCH BUSINESS out there they could have. Nextel's killer app was their direct connect. Now there's Push To Talk by Verizon. Businesses are beginning to realize there's competition, and managers are beginning to realize that having a loud and obnoxious walkie talkie may not be the best way to go about communicating. It's much less annoying (and more informative) to receive an e-mail silently during a meeting than get a direct connect request. We all know e-mail on any other cell phone just doesn't cut it either. Scrolling 50 times to read 5 sentences is unacceptable. Businesses want this. My particular business wants this. I only speak for myself. But how the Danger / T-mobile situation plays out may decide whether an entire business decides to go T-Mobile... or not. --Dave