From wms3 at wms3.com Thu Feb 5 14:06:40 2004 From: wms3 at wms3.com (Wilbur M. Sims III) Date: Thu Feb 5 11:06:55 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> I'd have to agree with Sherman. Regarding missing-sync and the Hiptop you should be talking to people in the hiptop.com forums. Its unfortunate that the signal to noise ratio there sucks so horribly - but I have yet to see a better alternative -- other than perhaps the developer wiki (in which case you'll miss a huge portion of your audience). Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most things portable. And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and MacUpdate (http://www.versiontracker.com and http://www.macupdate.com respectively) are key for product release announcements. On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2004 Brian Hall said: > >> We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn >> about >> Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. > > Mac in general: > > MacInTouch (products, troubleshooting) > MacFixIt (excellent troubleshooting site) > MacOSXHints (excellent OS X site) > MacNN (product announcements, etc.) > MacMinute (product announcement, etc.) > > Hiptop: > (I'm sure you already know this one) > > > -- > Sherman Wilcox > Department of Linguistics > University of New Mexico > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From mkb_cbr at mac.com Fri Feb 6 00:10:01 2004 From: mkb_cbr at mac.com (Mike Brodhead) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:11:31 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Online info sources In-Reply-To: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076026204.6B3DC9@s29.dngr.org> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:23pm, missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn > about > Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. Hiptop.com used to have interesting forums but seems to have devolved of late. I am somewhat active in the hiptop community on Live Journal. As for Mac stuff I pick up a fair amount indurectly on slashdot and occasionally scan the RSS feed for TidBits for headlines that seem interesting. I miss BMUG. --mkb From wms3 at wms3.com Thu Feb 5 14:06:40 2004 From: wms3 at wms3.com (Wilbur M. Sims III) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:44:40 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> I'd have to agree with Sherman. Regarding missing-sync and the Hiptop you should be talking to people in the hiptop.com forums. Its unfortunate that the signal to noise ratio there sucks so horribly - but I have yet to see a better alternative -- other than perhaps the developer wiki (in which case you'll miss a huge portion of your audience). Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most things portable. And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and MacUpdate (http://www.versiontracker.com and http://www.macupdate.com respectively) are key for product release announcements. On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2004 Brian Hall said: > >> We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn >> about >> Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. > > Mac in general: > > MacInTouch (products, troubleshooting) > MacFixIt (excellent troubleshooting site) > MacOSXHints (excellent OS X site) > MacNN (product announcements, etc.) > MacMinute (product announcement, etc.) > > Hiptop: > (I'm sure you already know this one) > > > -- > Sherman Wilcox > Department of Linguistics > University of New Mexico > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From mkb_cbr at mac.com Fri Feb 6 00:10:01 2004 From: mkb_cbr at mac.com (Mike Brodhead) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:44:40 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Online info sources In-Reply-To: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076026204.6B3DC9@s29.dngr.org> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:23pm, missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn > about > Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. Hiptop.com used to have interesting forums but seems to have devolved of late. I am somewhat active in the hiptop community on Live Journal. As for Mac stuff I pick up a fair amount indurectly on slashdot and occasionally scan the RSS feed for TidBits for headlines that seem interesting. I miss BMUG. --mkb From stevenf at panic.com Sun Feb 8 19:43:39 2004 From: stevenf at panic.com (Steven Frank) Date: Sun Feb 8 19:43:45 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Support for developer OS? Message-ID: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> Hi, Currently my Hiptop is running the developer OS for various reasons, connecting to the developer back-end. Will there be any way (secret pref?) for me to use Missing Sync for Hiptop without switching back to the production service? My understanding is that you would just have to change from one URL to another when talking to Danger's back-end servers to make it work, in much the same way I access the Desktop Interface at danger.com instead of t-mobile.com. I know, it's kind of a weird request, but I thought I'd ask. Steven From sgruby at markspace.com Sun Feb 8 19:57:24 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Sun Feb 8 20:00:05 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Support for developer OS? In-Reply-To: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> References: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> Message-ID: <11974C2A-5AB4-11D8-B86A-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Steven Frank wrote: > Hi, > > Currently my Hiptop is running the developer OS for various reasons, > connecting to the developer back-end. Will there be any way (secret > pref?) for me to use Missing Sync for Hiptop without switching back to > the production service? > > My understanding is that you would just have to change from one URL to > another when talking to Danger's back-end servers to make it work, in > much the same way I access the Desktop Interface at danger.com instead > of t-mobile.com. > > I know, it's kind of a weird request, but I thought I'd ask. > > Yes, there is a way to switch to the developer server; once the product is released, you can contact our support folks for information on how to switch servers. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From brian_hall at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:27:45 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Mon Feb 9 21:28:21 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> Message-ID: >Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. >One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) >which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most >things portable. I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe they are having some transient DNS issue? > And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to when I'm looking to find software). Thanks Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:45:38 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Mon Feb 9 21:48:24 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> Message-ID: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:27 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. >> One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage >> (http://www.powerpage.com) >> which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most >> things portable. > > I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe > they are > having some transient DNS issue? > >> It's . -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 22:51:41 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Mon Feb 9 21:51:44 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[missing-sync-hiptop-talk]=20=20Where=20do=20you=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?go=20to=20learn=20about=20Mac=20=09and/or=20hiptop?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> Brian said: >I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe they are >having some transient DNS issue? That's odd. I got there frequently too, www.powerpage.com is the correct URL. >We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better >places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to when I'm >looking to find software). Many people are turning to www.macupdate.com because the reader reviews on VT are getting less that useful. But I also use VT as my first choice. -- Sherman From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:56:22 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Mon Feb 9 21:59:08 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > Brian said: > >> I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe >> they are >> having some transient DNS issue? > > That's odd. I got there frequently too, www.powerpage.com is the > correct URL. > >> We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better >> places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to >> when I'm >> looking to find software). > > Many people are turning to www.macupdate.com because the reader reviews > on VT are getting less that useful. But I also use VT as my first > choice. > > Unfortunately I haven't found the reader reviews on macupdate.com to be any more useful than VersionTracker; I actually do find good comments on VersionTracker. There are a number of comments on both sites from people that never use the products and simply give the products poor marks. VT also posts information faster than macupdate.com because MU seems to use bots to snag the information from VT and other sources. I've personally been using VT for years and have been consistently pleased with their site. (Just my opinion; it does not necessarily reflect that of Mark/Space.) -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 23:15:51 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:15:54 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210061551.23976@smtp.comcast.net> Scott said: >Unfortunately I haven't found the reader reviews on macupdate.com to be >any more useful than VersionTracker Yes, now that you mention it, that's true. -- Sherman From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 23:16:12 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:16:16 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> References: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040210061612.19298@smtp.comcast.net> Scott said: >It's . Arrggg! Sorry!! -- Sherman From vertig0gitrev at mac.com Wed Feb 11 22:18:23 2004 From: vertig0gitrev at mac.com (Devin Gingrich) Date: Wed Feb 11 19:18:28 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Getting closer to a release date? / 3GSM World Congress In-Reply-To: <200402062001.i16K1am24281@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402062001.i16K1am24281@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076555906.205CBC00@r5.dngr.org> Hey... I was just wondering if we had gotten any closer to a release date. If so, any idea on when that might be? I don't mean to be annoying... I'm just excited for the product. Also, do you know if your end of the month release date has anything to with something else being announced at the "3GSM World Congress" in France Feb 23-26 (which Danger will be at)? Will the PC sync software be coming out around then as well? Not that I expect you to be able to say much of anything... Just hoping. From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 12 11:02:00 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Feb 12 11:04:58 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Message-ID: <200402121904.LAA14892@fire.he.net> Devin Gingrich wrote on 2/11/04 7:18 pm: > Not that I expect you to be able to say much of anything... Just > hoping. We will post to this list the same day it goes on sale, as well as versiontracker and all the usual places and our press list. We are still on track for it to be by the end of this month. Brian (live from PalmSource DevCon) -- Sent via wireless handheld Brian Hall From alex at bratton.com Thu Feb 12 21:09:23 2004 From: alex at bratton.com (Alex Bratton) Date: Thu Feb 12 19:09:28 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Selecting a subset of contacts to sync? Message-ID: <065B8970-5DD2-11D8-B718-000A95C50374@bratton.com> How is the system going to be handling selecting a subset of contacts to sync out to the Hiptop? For those of us with a large address book we'll hit the Hiptop's list limit right away. Will that be as simple as just creating a new contact group in Address Book? Thanks, Alex (And I'll throw another vote in that I can't wait to get my hands on this software) From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 12 19:31:00 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Feb 12 20:12:10 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Selecting a subset of contacts to sync? Message-ID: <200402130412.UAA22412@fire.he.net> You can choose to sync with a single Mac Address Book group. Ken Alex Bratton wrote on 2/12/04 7:09 pm: From wms3 at wms3.com Thu Feb 5 14:06:40 2004 From: wms3 at wms3.com (Wilbur M. Sims III) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:46 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> I'd have to agree with Sherman. Regarding missing-sync and the Hiptop you should be talking to people in the hiptop.com forums. Its unfortunate that the signal to noise ratio there sucks so horribly - but I have yet to see a better alternative -- other than perhaps the developer wiki (in which case you'll miss a huge portion of your audience). Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most things portable. And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and MacUpdate (http://www.versiontracker.com and http://www.macupdate.com respectively) are key for product release announcements. On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2004 Brian Hall said: > >> We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn >> about >> Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. > > Mac in general: > > MacInTouch (products, troubleshooting) > MacFixIt (excellent troubleshooting site) > MacOSXHints (excellent OS X site) > MacNN (product announcements, etc.) > MacMinute (product announcement, etc.) > > Hiptop: > (I'm sure you already know this one) > > > -- > Sherman Wilcox > Department of Linguistics > University of New Mexico > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From mkb_cbr at mac.com Fri Feb 6 00:10:01 2004 From: mkb_cbr at mac.com (Mike Brodhead) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:46 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Online info sources In-Reply-To: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076026204.6B3DC9@s29.dngr.org> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:23pm, missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn > about > Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. Hiptop.com used to have interesting forums but seems to have devolved of late. I am somewhat active in the hiptop community on Live Journal. As for Mac stuff I pick up a fair amount indurectly on slashdot and occasionally scan the RSS feed for TidBits for headlines that seem interesting. I miss BMUG. --mkb From stevenf at panic.com Sun Feb 8 19:43:39 2004 From: stevenf at panic.com (Steven Frank) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Support for developer OS? Message-ID: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> Hi, Currently my Hiptop is running the developer OS for various reasons, connecting to the developer back-end. Will there be any way (secret pref?) for me to use Missing Sync for Hiptop without switching back to the production service? My understanding is that you would just have to change from one URL to another when talking to Danger's back-end servers to make it work, in much the same way I access the Desktop Interface at danger.com instead of t-mobile.com. I know, it's kind of a weird request, but I thought I'd ask. Steven From sgruby at markspace.com Sun Feb 8 19:57:24 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Support for developer OS? In-Reply-To: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> References: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> Message-ID: <11974C2A-5AB4-11D8-B86A-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Steven Frank wrote: > Hi, > > Currently my Hiptop is running the developer OS for various reasons, > connecting to the developer back-end. Will there be any way (secret > pref?) for me to use Missing Sync for Hiptop without switching back to > the production service? > > My understanding is that you would just have to change from one URL to > another when talking to Danger's back-end servers to make it work, in > much the same way I access the Desktop Interface at danger.com instead > of t-mobile.com. > > I know, it's kind of a weird request, but I thought I'd ask. > > Yes, there is a way to switch to the developer server; once the product is released, you can contact our support folks for information on how to switch servers. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From brian_hall at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:27:45 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> Message-ID: >Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. >One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) >which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most >things portable. I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe they are having some transient DNS issue? > And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to when I'm looking to find software). Thanks Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:45:38 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> Message-ID: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:27 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. >> One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage >> (http://www.powerpage.com) >> which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most >> things portable. > > I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe > they are > having some transient DNS issue? > >> It's . -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 22:51:41 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[missing-sync-hiptop-talk]=20=20Where=20do=20you=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?go=20to=20learn=20about=20Mac=20=09and/or=20hiptop?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> Brian said: >I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe they are >having some transient DNS issue? That's odd. I got there frequently too, www.powerpage.com is the correct URL. >We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better >places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to when I'm >looking to find software). Many people are turning to www.macupdate.com because the reader reviews on VT are getting less that useful. But I also use VT as my first choice. -- Sherman From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:56:22 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > Brian said: > >> I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe >> they are >> having some transient DNS issue? > > That's odd. I got there frequently too, www.powerpage.com is the > correct URL. > >> We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better >> places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to >> when I'm >> looking to find software). > > Many people are turning to www.macupdate.com because the reader reviews > on VT are getting less that useful. But I also use VT as my first > choice. > > Unfortunately I haven't found the reader reviews on macupdate.com to be any more useful than VersionTracker; I actually do find good comments on VersionTracker. There are a number of comments on both sites from people that never use the products and simply give the products poor marks. VT also posts information faster than macupdate.com because MU seems to use bots to snag the information from VT and other sources. I've personally been using VT for years and have been consistently pleased with their site. (Just my opinion; it does not necessarily reflect that of Mark/Space.) -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 23:15:51 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210061551.23976@smtp.comcast.net> Scott said: >Unfortunately I haven't found the reader reviews on macupdate.com to be >any more useful than VersionTracker Yes, now that you mention it, that's true. -- Sherman From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 23:16:12 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> References: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040210061612.19298@smtp.comcast.net> Scott said: >It's . Arrggg! Sorry!! -- Sherman From vertig0gitrev at mac.com Wed Feb 11 22:18:23 2004 From: vertig0gitrev at mac.com (Devin Gingrich) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Getting closer to a release date? / 3GSM World Congress In-Reply-To: <200402062001.i16K1am24281@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402062001.i16K1am24281@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076555906.205CBC00@r5.dngr.org> Hey... I was just wondering if we had gotten any closer to a release date. If so, any idea on when that might be? I don't mean to be annoying... I'm just excited for the product. Also, do you know if your end of the month release date has anything to with something else being announced at the "3GSM World Congress" in France Feb 23-26 (which Danger will be at)? Will the PC sync software be coming out around then as well? Not that I expect you to be able to say much of anything... Just hoping. From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 12 11:02:00 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Message-ID: <200402121904.LAA14892@fire.he.net> Devin Gingrich wrote on 2/11/04 7:18 pm: > Not that I expect you to be able to say much of anything... Just > hoping. We will post to this list the same day it goes on sale, as well as versiontracker and all the usual places and our press list. We are still on track for it to be by the end of this month. Brian (live from PalmSource DevCon) -- Sent via wireless handheld Brian Hall From alex at bratton.com Thu Feb 12 21:09:23 2004 From: alex at bratton.com (Alex Bratton) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Selecting a subset of contacts to sync? Message-ID: <065B8970-5DD2-11D8-B718-000A95C50374@bratton.com> How is the system going to be handling selecting a subset of contacts to sync out to the Hiptop? For those of us with a large address book we'll hit the Hiptop's list limit right away. Will that be as simple as just creating a new contact group in Address Book? Thanks, Alex (And I'll throw another vote in that I can't wait to get my hands on this software) From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 12 19:31:00 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Feb 13 19:28:47 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Selecting a subset of contacts to sync? Message-ID: <200402130412.UAA22412@fire.he.net> You can choose to sync with a single Mac Address Book group. Ken Alex Bratton wrote on 2/12/04 7:09 pm: From missingsync at sean-graham.com Wed Feb 18 02:00:59 2004 From: missingsync at sean-graham.com (Sean Graham) Date: Tue Feb 17 23:01:25 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date Message-ID: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> I am taking a stab in the dark here, but is the release of Missing Sync Hiptop dependent on the successful rollout of the 1.1 OTA to Fido users? sean -- Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu http://www.sean-graham.com/ From kfreeman at markspace.com Wed Feb 18 07:23:10 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Wed Feb 18 07:23:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date In-Reply-To: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> References: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> Message-ID: <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> If you notice the system requirements on the Missing Sync for hiptop product page notice that the hiptop OS 1.1 is a requirement. Ken On Feb 17, 2004, at 11:00 PM, Sean Graham wrote: > I am taking a stab in the dark here, but is the release of Missing Sync > Hiptop dependent on the successful rollout of the 1.1 OTA to Fido > users? > > sean > -- > Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu > http://www.sean-graham.com/ > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From missingsync at sean-graham.com Wed Feb 18 10:38:27 2004 From: missingsync at sean-graham.com (Sean Graham) Date: Wed Feb 18 07:38:49 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date In-Reply-To: <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> References: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040218153826.GC7235@csh.rit.edu> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 07:23:10AM -0800, Ken Freeman wrote: > If you notice the system requirements on the Missing Sync for hiptop > product page notice that the hiptop OS 1.1 is a requirement. I was just curious if the Fido rollout (which just started full-steam) was the reason for the "end of february" release date... I'm a T-Mobile user, so I have 1.1, I'm just waiting around for the end of February. :P sean -- Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu http://www.sean-graham.com/ From jon at schalliol.com Wed Feb 18 10:20:19 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:20:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Release Date Message-ID: I'm pretty sure it will ship when they're able to work with the servers as desired and it works well (since it's late in beta I assume). If you don't have the OTA update you won't be able to use it, but there's no reason they'd wait to ship because a few users don't have it yet. From vertig0gitrev at mac.com Fri Feb 20 17:05:10 2004 From: vertig0gitrev at mac.com (Devin Gingrich) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:06:10 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? -Devin From chrisrodney at sympatico.ca Fri Feb 20 20:40:57 2004 From: chrisrodney at sympatico.ca (Chris Rodney) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:42:13 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] OTA Update finally being rolled out to Fido users! Message-ID: I'm a colour hiptop user in Toronto, Canada. I just received the over the air update and a bunch of free ringtones and software. (LED Football has officially replaced Snowboard as the most addictive hiptop game.) Bring on the Missing Sync! My Powerbook is waiting! ;) ______ Chris Rodney President and Owner EveryWay Consulting & Business Solutions E-Mail: ecbs@sympatico.ca AIM/iChat: chrisrodney Tel. 416-834-0298 Fax. 270-633-8814 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 880 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040220/de94b8f8/attachment.bin From kfreeman at markspace.com Tue Feb 24 12:11:02 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Tue Feb 24 12:11:07 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Alarms set on in iCal will map to the reminder feature on the hiptop. I don't see an option on the hiptop to keep ringing, but the reminder does bring up a dialog that at some point has to be dismissed. Is this what you are referring to? Ken On Feb 20, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Devin Gingrich wrote: > Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the > alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? > > -Devin > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From staffin at uiuc.edu Tue Feb 24 15:34:46 2004 From: staffin at uiuc.edu (Ben Staffin) Date: Tue Feb 24 13:34:48 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040224213446.GN2412@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> He is probably referring to the ring "Until stopped" option in the Time Traveler application available through catalog. It would be neat for Missing Sync able to interface with that, but I am not sure if it is possible. - Ben * Ken Freeman [2004-02-24 14:11] wibbled: > Alarms set on in iCal will map to the reminder feature on the hiptop. I > don't see an option on the hiptop to keep ringing, but the reminder > does bring up a dialog that at some point has to be dismissed. Is this > what you are referring to? > > Ken > > On Feb 20, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Devin Gingrich wrote: > > >Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the > >alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? > > > >-Devin > >_______________________________________________ > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk -- /-- | Ben Staffin perpetual nerd | --/ From jon at schalliol.com Wed Feb 25 09:14:49 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Wed Feb 25 09:15:03 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: I assume that this would work, but will syncing to the hiptop servers then allow people to sync multiple Macs? I assume that address book and iCal will be able to be sync'd that way, avoiding the need for .mac to do this. Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. I can't wait. I know it's a software download, but I'd pre-order if I could. I guess it will be released by Friday unless the markspace guys might release on the 28th or 29th. From kfreeman at markspace.com Wed Feb 25 12:39:33 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Wed Feb 25 12:39:37 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: References: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: On Feb 25, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: > I assume that this would work, but will syncing to the hiptop servers > then allow people to sync multiple Macs? I assume that address book > and iCal will be able to be sync'd that way, avoiding the need for > .mac to do this. I suppose that you are correct. > > Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? > I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we > don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! > > I can't wait. I know it's a software download, but I'd pre-order if I > could. I guess it will be released by Friday unless the markspace > guys might release on the 28th or 29th. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From mz+markspace at wildpackets.com Wed Feb 25 14:30:42 2004 From: mz+markspace at wildpackets.com (Mahboud Zabetian) Date: Wed Feb 25 14:30:43 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> >> Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? >> I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we >> don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. > > Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! I second that. I'd also like my AIM buddies synced to the Address Book or to iChat, if possible. From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Wed Feb 25 20:12:42 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Wed Feb 25 17:12:46 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040226011242.GA22689@cs.brown.edu> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:30:42PM -0800, Mahboud Zabetian wrote: } } >> } >> Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? } >> I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we } >> don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. } > } > Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! } } I second that. I'll put in my vote as well, though it would be preferable to have the option to sync a subfolder of the Safari bookmarks rather than the whole thing. My bookmarks have been developing since early 1994 and I don't need all of those bookmarks on my hip. } I'd also like my AIM buddies synced to the Address Book or to iChat, if } possible. This should happen anyway, since the buddies are stored on AOL's servers and both the hiptop and iChat read/write the list on the AIM server. Apple's marginally novel integration of AIM buddies and the addressbook isn't really relevant for syncing, however, unless and until the hiptop supports it as well. --Greg From tristan at tristantom.com Thu Feb 26 09:19:58 2004 From: tristan at tristantom.com (Tristan Tom) Date: Thu Feb 26 09:18:37 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Questions Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> I just joined this mailing list and am excited to get this software. I a question about it: -If I have contacts in my Sidekick already and no contacts in my Mac addressbook, will it sync it so that the contacts are put into the Mac addressbook? From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 12:54:30 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Feb 26 12:54:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Questions In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> Message-ID: Yes! That is exactly what will happen. Ken On Feb 26, 2004, at 9:19 AM, Tristan Tom wrote: > I just joined this mailing list and am excited to get this software. I > a question about it: > > -If I have contacts in my Sidekick already and no contacts in my Mac > addressbook, will it sync it so that the contacts are put into the Mac > addressbook? > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 13:14:58 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Feb 26 13:16:29 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability Message-ID: The Missing Sync for hiptop software has been completed and tested and awaits server changes being made by Danger and their carriers before it can be made available. Previous goals for these server changes suggested a targeted Missing Sync ship date in February 2004, but we have been notified that these server changes have not yet been completed. Unfortunately, the release date for the Missing Sync for hiptop will be delayed until Danger and their carriers have made the necessary preparations. Each Danger hiptop carrier will decide if and when they plan to support PIM synchronization. The first carrier to support synchronization will be T-Mobile, with the other hiptop carriers to possibly follow. We apologize for the inconvenience and will announce availability on the Missing Sync for hiptop email discussion list as new information is made available. Ken Freeman Mark/Space, Inc. Product Manager From sam at vis.nu Thu Feb 26 15:07:03 2004 From: sam at vis.nu (sam mulvey) Date: Thu Feb 26 14:07:02 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Ken Freeman wrote: > The first carrier to support synchronization will be T-Mobile, with the > other hiptop carriers to possibly follow. Which suggests that someone, somewhere knows when this will take place, at least for T-Mobile. Is there someone I can contact to get an idea of when this will take place, and perhaps to give my word of support to this project and help speed it on it's way? Given that T-Mobile has commited to adding the syncing (XMLRPC?) infrastructure, will I have to wait for all hiptop providers to carry the server update before I can use it? Also, exuse me if I seem dense, but will the product eventually support some form of plugin system? Thank you for your work, you're doing a great service to the macintosh and hiptop communities. I'm just a bit worried, since Danger has a bit of a history of dragging on synchronization, and a hard date would alleviate my fears, as your original February date did. -- #!/usr/bin/perl # Sam Mulvey -- vis.nu Networks # Have Device, Will Travel $_ = "http://sam.vis.nu"; s-[\w]*://([\w]*)\.-$1\@-; print; From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 14:33:30 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Feb 26 14:34:21 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:07 PM -0700 2/26/04, sam mulvey wrote: >Also, exuse me if I seem dense, but will the product eventually support >some form of plugin system? The product is a plug-in itself (to iSync). Is there something you'd like to be able to do? Once the data is in the iApps (via iSync), you can use whatever APIS/apps are out there to work on the data in the iApps (printing utilities, Apples APIs for Address.app and iCal, etc). >Thank you for your work, you're doing a great service to the macintosh and >hiptop communities. I'm just a bit worried, since Danger has a bit of a >history of dragging on synchronization, and a hard date would alleviate my >fears, as your original February date did. This topic is covered pretty well in the update notice we just posted to the list. This notice is also now at the web site. I could quote it again, but the quote would end up being most of the message all over again... See the part that starts with "Release Update" in green text at: http://www.markspace.com/hiptop.html This means that as much as we'd like to, we simply can't provide a hard date at this time. As always, this list will be the first place we post information on the product. Regards, Brian Hall President/CEO -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 14:36:54 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Feb 26 14:36:57 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F79046-68AC-11D8-8B5D-000A9570181E@markspace.com> On Feb 26, 2004, at 2:07 PM, sam mulvey wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Ken Freeman wrote: > >> The first carrier to support synchronization will be T-Mobile, with >> the >> other hiptop carriers to possibly follow. > > Which suggests that someone, somewhere knows when this will take > place, at > least for T-Mobile. Is there someone I can contact to get an idea of > when > this will take place, and perhaps to give my word of support to this > project and help speed it on it's way? We simply wanted to let users know about the delay since the product was previously announced and a February release date given. I don't think that calling T-Mobile will to show support or complain will make things happen any faster. Everyone is working to ship as soon as possible. We expect everything will be in place in a matter of a few weeks, not months. Thanks or your patience. > > Given that T-Mobile has commited to adding the syncing (XMLRPC?) > infrastructure, will I have to wait for all hiptop providers to carry > the > server update before I can use it? Your specific hiptop carrier must support sync. Each carrier will decide this independently. > > Also, exuse me if I seem dense, but will the product eventually support > some form of plugin system? Not sure exactly what type of plugin system you are suggesting, but I assume one that would allow other Mac apps to share data to the hiptop. This solution is an iSync plugin or conduit and iSync doesn't currently allow the type of plugin you might be suggesting. > > Thank you for your work, you're doing a great service to the macintosh > and > hiptop communities. I'm just a bit worried, since Danger has a bit of > a > history of dragging on synchronization, and a hard date would > alleviate my > fears, as your original February date did. > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > # Sam Mulvey -- vis.nu Networks > # Have Device, Will Travel > $_ = "http://sam.vis.nu"; s-[\w]*://([\w]*)\.-$1\@-; print; > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From sam at vis.nu Thu Feb 26 16:11:59 2004 From: sam at vis.nu (sam mulvey) Date: Thu Feb 26 15:11:57 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > The product is a plug-in itself (to iSync). Is there something you'd like > to be able to do? Once the data is in the iApps (via iSync), you can use > whatever APIS/apps are out there to work on the data in the iApps (printing > utilities, Apples APIs for Address.app and iCal, etc). So I am dense then. :) Sorry, wasn't thinking right. > This means that as much as we'd like to, we simply can't provide a hard > date at this time. No problem. My question was wether the release of the Missing Sync stuff was contingent on the sync infrastructure being available on *all* of the participating carriers. I think I can interpret your update notice to be "Yes". Either way, I'll just sit tight and wait for the release. Thanks for your prompt response. -- #!/usr/bin/perl # Sam Mulvey -- vis.nu Networks # Have Device, Will Travel $_ = "http://sam.vis.nu"; s-[\w]*://([\w]*)\.-$1\@-; print; From jon at schalliol.com Fri Feb 27 09:20:43 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Feb 27 09:21:02 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: <200402271700.i1RH0BQ5017539@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402271700.i1RH0BQ5017539@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: Now that the app is done....how about adding in the bookmark sync while we wait (I'll pre-order if programmers need $ and I'm sure others would)? Also, will the address cards on the server be mirrors of the cards in address book? I wouldn't want to sync and lose all my custom named fields, etc. From kfreeman at markspace.com Fri Feb 27 09:34:47 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Feb 27 09:35:02 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: References: <200402271700.i1RH0BQ5017539@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <3CE7A553-694B-11D8-8F71-000A9570181E@markspace.com> We won't have bookmark support in the 1.0 release. Apple has not yet disclosed to developers how to sync bookmarks. Addresses currently in your hiptop Desktop Interface server will sync down to the Mac OS X Address Book. You should not loose any data in the custom fields, but of course only the same fields that exist on both sides can sync. Ken On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:20 AM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: > Now that the app is done....how about adding in the bookmark sync > while we wait (I'll pre-order if programmers need $ and I'm sure > others would)? Also, will the address cards on the server be mirrors > of the cards in address book? I wouldn't want to sync and lose all my > custom named fields, etc. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From jon at schalliol.com Sat Feb 28 11:22:44 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Sat Feb 28 11:22:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: <200402281701.i1SH1pQ5027560@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402281701.i1SH1pQ5027560@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: >We won't have bookmark support in the 1.0 release. Apple has not yet >disclosed to developers how to sync bookmarks. Ahh, well, that should be pretty easy I would think. Bookmarks are located in "Bookmarks.plist", which appears to be just a meta tagged XML. With a DTD at http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd The plist is broken up by tag, so just going through the file should make it apparent what information is needed for Safari. I keep my two macs updated by syncing new versions of this file, but of course a programmer grabbing the right information about records would compare with individual records to sync instead of update the file. >Addresses currently in your hiptop Desktop Interface server will sync >down to the Mac OS X Address Book. You should not loose any data in the >custom fields, but of course only the same fields that exist on both >sides can sync. So, if I am syncing and a custom field isn't on the hiptop, when I re-sync on the Mac again, will it overwrite the whole card in address book, or only updated fields. Example, if an address card uses "cell" as a phone title on the Macs and that field isn't in the hiptop, will it sync? If not, when I change that card on the hiptop in some way, will it kill my cell field when I sync again on the Mac. What about something like phonetic last name, which is a standard field in OS X's book. Does the server only store the other fields that are in the hiptop address book? Does changing a phone number in that address book destroy the phonetic last name if you re-sync again with the mac? If you were to sync with another Mac and all of the information isn't on the server, what would you get written down to the other machine? A new card w/ or w/o the phonetic last name in address book? Thanks. From sgruby at markspace.com Sat Feb 28 11:45:21 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Sat Feb 28 11:48:38 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: References: <200402281701.i1SH1pQ5027560@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: On Feb 28, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: >> We won't have bookmark support in the 1.0 release. Apple has not yet >> disclosed to developers how to sync bookmarks. > > Ahh, well, that should be pretty easy I would think. Bookmarks are > located in "Bookmarks.plist", which appears to be just a meta tagged > XML. With a DTD at http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd The > plist is broken up by tag, so just going through the file should make > it apparent what information is needed for Safari. I keep my two macs > updated by syncing new versions of this file, but of course a > programmer grabbing the right information about records would compare > with individual records to sync instead of update the file. > Unfortunately things aren't as simple as they may seem. Missing Sync for Hiptop is a plugin to iSync and we use the iSync interfaces to access data. The iSync interfaces allow us to find changes on a per record basis and deal with conflicts. In addition, a bigger question is "do you want to sync all your desktop bookmarks to your hiptop?" If the answer is no, then what do we sync? This is a feature on our wish list, but it didn't make it into the 1.0 release of our product. We don't have an estimate of when we'll be able to add this feature. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From jon at schalliol.com Sun Feb 29 12:23:54 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Sun Feb 29 12:24:11 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: <200402291700.i1TH09Q5018475@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402291700.i1TH09Q5018475@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: >Unfortunately things aren't as simple as they may seem. Missing Sync >for Hiptop is a plugin to iSync and we use the iSync interfaces to >access data. The iSync interfaces allow us to find changes on a per >record basis and deal with conflicts. In addition, a bigger question is >"do you want to sync all your desktop bookmarks to your hiptop?" If the >answer is no, then what do we sync? > >This is a feature on our wish list, but it didn't make it into the 1.0 >release of our product. We don't have an estimate of when we'll be able >to add this feature. I understand. Adding a check box for all or nothing would be good for me. If people aren't happy with this "bigger question" then that could be dealt with later for specific records vs. total. Looking forward to the product, money in hand. :-) From wms3 at wms3.com Thu Feb 5 14:06:40 2004 From: wms3 at wms3.com (Wilbur M. Sims III) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:55 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> I'd have to agree with Sherman. Regarding missing-sync and the Hiptop you should be talking to people in the hiptop.com forums. Its unfortunate that the signal to noise ratio there sucks so horribly - but I have yet to see a better alternative -- other than perhaps the developer wiki (in which case you'll miss a huge portion of your audience). Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most things portable. And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and MacUpdate (http://www.versiontracker.com and http://www.macupdate.com respectively) are key for product release announcements. On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2004 Brian Hall said: > >> We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn >> about >> Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. > > Mac in general: > > MacInTouch (products, troubleshooting) > MacFixIt (excellent troubleshooting site) > MacOSXHints (excellent OS X site) > MacNN (product announcements, etc.) > MacMinute (product announcement, etc.) > > Hiptop: > (I'm sure you already know this one) > > > -- > Sherman Wilcox > Department of Linguistics > University of New Mexico > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From mkb_cbr at mac.com Fri Feb 6 00:10:01 2004 From: mkb_cbr at mac.com (Mike Brodhead) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:55 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Online info sources In-Reply-To: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076026204.6B3DC9@s29.dngr.org> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:23pm, missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn > about > Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. Hiptop.com used to have interesting forums but seems to have devolved of late. I am somewhat active in the hiptop community on Live Journal. As for Mac stuff I pick up a fair amount indurectly on slashdot and occasionally scan the RSS feed for TidBits for headlines that seem interesting. I miss BMUG. --mkb From stevenf at panic.com Sun Feb 8 19:43:39 2004 From: stevenf at panic.com (Steven Frank) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Support for developer OS? Message-ID: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> Hi, Currently my Hiptop is running the developer OS for various reasons, connecting to the developer back-end. Will there be any way (secret pref?) for me to use Missing Sync for Hiptop without switching back to the production service? My understanding is that you would just have to change from one URL to another when talking to Danger's back-end servers to make it work, in much the same way I access the Desktop Interface at danger.com instead of t-mobile.com. I know, it's kind of a weird request, but I thought I'd ask. Steven From sgruby at markspace.com Sun Feb 8 19:57:24 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Support for developer OS? In-Reply-To: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> References: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> Message-ID: <11974C2A-5AB4-11D8-B86A-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Steven Frank wrote: > Hi, > > Currently my Hiptop is running the developer OS for various reasons, > connecting to the developer back-end. Will there be any way (secret > pref?) for me to use Missing Sync for Hiptop without switching back to > the production service? > > My understanding is that you would just have to change from one URL to > another when talking to Danger's back-end servers to make it work, in > much the same way I access the Desktop Interface at danger.com instead > of t-mobile.com. > > I know, it's kind of a weird request, but I thought I'd ask. > > Yes, there is a way to switch to the developer server; once the product is released, you can contact our support folks for information on how to switch servers. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From brian_hall at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:27:45 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> Message-ID: >Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. >One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) >which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most >things portable. I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe they are having some transient DNS issue? > And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to when I'm looking to find software). Thanks Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:45:38 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> Message-ID: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:27 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. >> One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage >> (http://www.powerpage.com) >> which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most >> things portable. > > I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe > they are > having some transient DNS issue? > >> It's . -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 22:51:41 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[missing-sync-hiptop-talk]=20=20Where=20do=20you=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?go=20to=20learn=20about=20Mac=20=09and/or=20hiptop?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> Brian said: >I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe they are >having some transient DNS issue? That's odd. I got there frequently too, www.powerpage.com is the correct URL. >We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better >places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to when I'm >looking to find software). Many people are turning to www.macupdate.com because the reader reviews on VT are getting less that useful. But I also use VT as my first choice. -- Sherman From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:56:22 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > Brian said: > >> I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe >> they are >> having some transient DNS issue? > > That's odd. I got there frequently too, www.powerpage.com is the > correct URL. > >> We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better >> places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to >> when I'm >> looking to find software). > > Many people are turning to www.macupdate.com because the reader reviews > on VT are getting less that useful. But I also use VT as my first > choice. > > Unfortunately I haven't found the reader reviews on macupdate.com to be any more useful than VersionTracker; I actually do find good comments on VersionTracker. There are a number of comments on both sites from people that never use the products and simply give the products poor marks. VT also posts information faster than macupdate.com because MU seems to use bots to snag the information from VT and other sources. I've personally been using VT for years and have been consistently pleased with their site. (Just my opinion; it does not necessarily reflect that of Mark/Space.) -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 23:15:51 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210061551.23976@smtp.comcast.net> Scott said: >Unfortunately I haven't found the reader reviews on macupdate.com to be >any more useful than VersionTracker Yes, now that you mention it, that's true. -- Sherman From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 23:16:12 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> References: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040210061612.19298@smtp.comcast.net> Scott said: >It's . Arrggg! Sorry!! -- Sherman From vertig0gitrev at mac.com Wed Feb 11 22:18:23 2004 From: vertig0gitrev at mac.com (Devin Gingrich) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Getting closer to a release date? / 3GSM World Congress In-Reply-To: <200402062001.i16K1am24281@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402062001.i16K1am24281@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076555906.205CBC00@r5.dngr.org> Hey... I was just wondering if we had gotten any closer to a release date. If so, any idea on when that might be? I don't mean to be annoying... I'm just excited for the product. Also, do you know if your end of the month release date has anything to with something else being announced at the "3GSM World Congress" in France Feb 23-26 (which Danger will be at)? Will the PC sync software be coming out around then as well? Not that I expect you to be able to say much of anything... Just hoping. From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 12 11:02:00 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Message-ID: <200402121904.LAA14892@fire.he.net> Devin Gingrich wrote on 2/11/04 7:18 pm: > Not that I expect you to be able to say much of anything... Just > hoping. We will post to this list the same day it goes on sale, as well as versiontracker and all the usual places and our press list. We are still on track for it to be by the end of this month. Brian (live from PalmSource DevCon) -- Sent via wireless handheld Brian Hall From alex at bratton.com Thu Feb 12 21:09:23 2004 From: alex at bratton.com (Alex Bratton) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Selecting a subset of contacts to sync? Message-ID: <065B8970-5DD2-11D8-B718-000A95C50374@bratton.com> How is the system going to be handling selecting a subset of contacts to sync out to the Hiptop? For those of us with a large address book we'll hit the Hiptop's list limit right away. Will that be as simple as just creating a new contact group in Address Book? Thanks, Alex (And I'll throw another vote in that I can't wait to get my hands on this software) From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 12 19:31:00 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Selecting a subset of contacts to sync? Message-ID: <200402130412.UAA22412@fire.he.net> You can choose to sync with a single Mac Address Book group. Ken Alex Bratton wrote on 2/12/04 7:09 pm: From missingsync at sean-graham.com Wed Feb 18 02:00:59 2004 From: missingsync at sean-graham.com (Sean Graham) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date Message-ID: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> I am taking a stab in the dark here, but is the release of Missing Sync Hiptop dependent on the successful rollout of the 1.1 OTA to Fido users? sean -- Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu http://www.sean-graham.com/ From kfreeman at markspace.com Wed Feb 18 07:23:10 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date In-Reply-To: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> References: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> Message-ID: <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> If you notice the system requirements on the Missing Sync for hiptop product page notice that the hiptop OS 1.1 is a requirement. Ken On Feb 17, 2004, at 11:00 PM, Sean Graham wrote: > I am taking a stab in the dark here, but is the release of Missing Sync > Hiptop dependent on the successful rollout of the 1.1 OTA to Fido > users? > > sean > -- > Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu > http://www.sean-graham.com/ > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From missingsync at sean-graham.com Wed Feb 18 10:38:27 2004 From: missingsync at sean-graham.com (Sean Graham) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date In-Reply-To: <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> References: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040218153826.GC7235@csh.rit.edu> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 07:23:10AM -0800, Ken Freeman wrote: > If you notice the system requirements on the Missing Sync for hiptop > product page notice that the hiptop OS 1.1 is a requirement. I was just curious if the Fido rollout (which just started full-steam) was the reason for the "end of february" release date... I'm a T-Mobile user, so I have 1.1, I'm just waiting around for the end of February. :P sean -- Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu http://www.sean-graham.com/ From jon at schalliol.com Wed Feb 18 10:20:19 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Release Date Message-ID: I'm pretty sure it will ship when they're able to work with the servers as desired and it works well (since it's late in beta I assume). If you don't have the OTA update you won't be able to use it, but there's no reason they'd wait to ship because a few users don't have it yet. From vertig0gitrev at mac.com Fri Feb 20 17:05:10 2004 From: vertig0gitrev at mac.com (Devin Gingrich) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? -Devin From chrisrodney at sympatico.ca Fri Feb 20 20:40:57 2004 From: chrisrodney at sympatico.ca (Chris Rodney) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] OTA Update finally being rolled out to Fido users! Message-ID: I'm a colour hiptop user in Toronto, Canada. I just received the over the air update and a bunch of free ringtones and software. (LED Football has officially replaced Snowboard as the most addictive hiptop game.) Bring on the Missing Sync! My Powerbook is waiting! ;) ______ Chris Rodney President and Owner EveryWay Consulting & Business Solutions E-Mail: ecbs@sympatico.ca AIM/iChat: chrisrodney Tel. 416-834-0298 Fax. 270-633-8814 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 880 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040220/de94b8f8/attachment-0002.bin From kfreeman at markspace.com Tue Feb 24 12:11:02 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Alarms set on in iCal will map to the reminder feature on the hiptop. I don't see an option on the hiptop to keep ringing, but the reminder does bring up a dialog that at some point has to be dismissed. Is this what you are referring to? Ken On Feb 20, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Devin Gingrich wrote: > Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the > alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? > > -Devin > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From staffin at uiuc.edu Tue Feb 24 15:34:46 2004 From: staffin at uiuc.edu (Ben Staffin) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040224213446.GN2412@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> He is probably referring to the ring "Until stopped" option in the Time Traveler application available through catalog. It would be neat for Missing Sync able to interface with that, but I am not sure if it is possible. - Ben * Ken Freeman [2004-02-24 14:11] wibbled: > Alarms set on in iCal will map to the reminder feature on the hiptop. I > don't see an option on the hiptop to keep ringing, but the reminder > does bring up a dialog that at some point has to be dismissed. Is this > what you are referring to? > > Ken > > On Feb 20, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Devin Gingrich wrote: > > >Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the > >alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? > > > >-Devin > >_______________________________________________ > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk -- /-- | Ben Staffin perpetual nerd | --/ From jon at schalliol.com Wed Feb 25 09:14:49 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: I assume that this would work, but will syncing to the hiptop servers then allow people to sync multiple Macs? I assume that address book and iCal will be able to be sync'd that way, avoiding the need for .mac to do this. Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. I can't wait. I know it's a software download, but I'd pre-order if I could. I guess it will be released by Friday unless the markspace guys might release on the 28th or 29th. From kfreeman at markspace.com Wed Feb 25 12:39:33 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: References: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: On Feb 25, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: > I assume that this would work, but will syncing to the hiptop servers > then allow people to sync multiple Macs? I assume that address book > and iCal will be able to be sync'd that way, avoiding the need for > .mac to do this. I suppose that you are correct. > > Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? > I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we > don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! > > I can't wait. I know it's a software download, but I'd pre-order if I > could. I guess it will be released by Friday unless the markspace > guys might release on the 28th or 29th. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From mz+markspace at wildpackets.com Wed Feb 25 14:30:42 2004 From: mz+markspace at wildpackets.com (Mahboud Zabetian) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> >> Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? >> I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we >> don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. > > Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! I second that. I'd also like my AIM buddies synced to the Address Book or to iChat, if possible. From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Wed Feb 25 20:12:42 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040226011242.GA22689@cs.brown.edu> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:30:42PM -0800, Mahboud Zabetian wrote: } } >> } >> Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? } >> I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we } >> don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. } > } > Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! } } I second that. I'll put in my vote as well, though it would be preferable to have the option to sync a subfolder of the Safari bookmarks rather than the whole thing. My bookmarks have been developing since early 1994 and I don't need all of those bookmarks on my hip. } I'd also like my AIM buddies synced to the Address Book or to iChat, if } possible. This should happen anyway, since the buddies are stored on AOL's servers and both the hiptop and iChat read/write the list on the AIM server. Apple's marginally novel integration of AIM buddies and the addressbook isn't really relevant for syncing, however, unless and until the hiptop supports it as well. --Greg From tristan at tristantom.com Thu Feb 26 09:19:58 2004 From: tristan at tristantom.com (Tristan Tom) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Questions Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> I just joined this mailing list and am excited to get this software. I a question about it: -If I have contacts in my Sidekick already and no contacts in my Mac addressbook, will it sync it so that the contacts are put into the Mac addressbook? From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 12:54:30 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Questions In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> Message-ID: Yes! That is exactly what will happen. Ken On Feb 26, 2004, at 9:19 AM, Tristan Tom wrote: > I just joined this mailing list and am excited to get this software. I > a question about it: > > -If I have contacts in my Sidekick already and no contacts in my Mac > addressbook, will it sync it so that the contacts are put into the Mac > addressbook? > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 13:14:58 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability Message-ID: The Missing Sync for hiptop software has been completed and tested and awaits server changes being made by Danger and their carriers before it can be made available. Previous goals for these server changes suggested a targeted Missing Sync ship date in February 2004, but we have been notified that these server changes have not yet been completed. Unfortunately, the release date for the Missing Sync for hiptop will be delayed until Danger and their carriers have made the necessary preparations. Each Danger hiptop carrier will decide if and when they plan to support PIM synchronization. The first carrier to support synchronization will be T-Mobile, with the other hiptop carriers to possibly follow. We apologize for the inconvenience and will announce availability on the Missing Sync for hiptop email discussion list as new information is made available. Ken Freeman Mark/Space, Inc. Product Manager From sam at vis.nu Thu Feb 26 15:07:03 2004 From: sam at vis.nu (sam mulvey) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Ken Freeman wrote: > The first carrier to support synchronization will be T-Mobile, with the > other hiptop carriers to possibly follow. Which suggests that someone, somewhere knows when this will take place, at least for T-Mobile. Is there someone I can contact to get an idea of when this will take place, and perhaps to give my word of support to this project and help speed it on it's way? Given that T-Mobile has commited to adding the syncing (XMLRPC?) infrastructure, will I have to wait for all hiptop providers to carry the server update before I can use it? Also, exuse me if I seem dense, but will the product eventually support some form of plugin system? Thank you for your work, you're doing a great service to the macintosh and hiptop communities. I'm just a bit worried, since Danger has a bit of a history of dragging on synchronization, and a hard date would alleviate my fears, as your original February date did. -- #!/usr/bin/perl # Sam Mulvey -- vis.nu Networks # Have Device, Will Travel $_ = "http://sam.vis.nu"; s-[\w]*://([\w]*)\.-$1\@-; print; From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 14:33:30 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:07 PM -0700 2/26/04, sam mulvey wrote: >Also, exuse me if I seem dense, but will the product eventually support >some form of plugin system? The product is a plug-in itself (to iSync). Is there something you'd like to be able to do? Once the data is in the iApps (via iSync), you can use whatever APIS/apps are out there to work on the data in the iApps (printing utilities, Apples APIs for Address.app and iCal, etc). >Thank you for your work, you're doing a great service to the macintosh and >hiptop communities. I'm just a bit worried, since Danger has a bit of a >history of dragging on synchronization, and a hard date would alleviate my >fears, as your original February date did. This topic is covered pretty well in the update notice we just posted to the list. This notice is also now at the web site. I could quote it again, but the quote would end up being most of the message all over again... See the part that starts with "Release Update" in green text at: http://www.markspace.com/hiptop.html This means that as much as we'd like to, we simply can't provide a hard date at this time. As always, this list will be the first place we post information on the product. Regards, Brian Hall President/CEO -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 14:36:54 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F79046-68AC-11D8-8B5D-000A9570181E@markspace.com> On Feb 26, 2004, at 2:07 PM, sam mulvey wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Ken Freeman wrote: > >> The first carrier to support synchronization will be T-Mobile, with >> the >> other hiptop carriers to possibly follow. > > Which suggests that someone, somewhere knows when this will take > place, at > least for T-Mobile. Is there someone I can contact to get an idea of > when > this will take place, and perhaps to give my word of support to this > project and help speed it on it's way? We simply wanted to let users know about the delay since the product was previously announced and a February release date given. I don't think that calling T-Mobile will to show support or complain will make things happen any faster. Everyone is working to ship as soon as possible. We expect everything will be in place in a matter of a few weeks, not months. Thanks or your patience. > > Given that T-Mobile has commited to adding the syncing (XMLRPC?) > infrastructure, will I have to wait for all hiptop providers to carry > the > server update before I can use it? Your specific hiptop carrier must support sync. Each carrier will decide this independently. > > Also, exuse me if I seem dense, but will the product eventually support > some form of plugin system? Not sure exactly what type of plugin system you are suggesting, but I assume one that would allow other Mac apps to share data to the hiptop. This solution is an iSync plugin or conduit and iSync doesn't currently allow the type of plugin you might be suggesting. > > Thank you for your work, you're doing a great service to the macintosh > and > hiptop communities. I'm just a bit worried, since Danger has a bit of > a > history of dragging on synchronization, and a hard date would > alleviate my > fears, as your original February date did. > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl > # Sam Mulvey -- vis.nu Networks > # Have Device, Will Travel > $_ = "http://sam.vis.nu"; s-[\w]*://([\w]*)\.-$1\@-; print; > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From sam at vis.nu Thu Feb 26 16:11:59 2004 From: sam at vis.nu (sam mulvey) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > The product is a plug-in itself (to iSync). Is there something you'd like > to be able to do? Once the data is in the iApps (via iSync), you can use > whatever APIS/apps are out there to work on the data in the iApps (printing > utilities, Apples APIs for Address.app and iCal, etc). So I am dense then. :) Sorry, wasn't thinking right. > This means that as much as we'd like to, we simply can't provide a hard > date at this time. No problem. My question was wether the release of the Missing Sync stuff was contingent on the sync infrastructure being available on *all* of the participating carriers. I think I can interpret your update notice to be "Yes". Either way, I'll just sit tight and wait for the release. Thanks for your prompt response. -- #!/usr/bin/perl # Sam Mulvey -- vis.nu Networks # Have Device, Will Travel $_ = "http://sam.vis.nu"; s-[\w]*://([\w]*)\.-$1\@-; print; From jon at schalliol.com Fri Feb 27 09:20:43 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: <200402271700.i1RH0BQ5017539@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402271700.i1RH0BQ5017539@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: Now that the app is done....how about adding in the bookmark sync while we wait (I'll pre-order if programmers need $ and I'm sure others would)? Also, will the address cards on the server be mirrors of the cards in address book? I wouldn't want to sync and lose all my custom named fields, etc. From kfreeman at markspace.com Fri Feb 27 09:34:47 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: References: <200402271700.i1RH0BQ5017539@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <3CE7A553-694B-11D8-8F71-000A9570181E@markspace.com> We won't have bookmark support in the 1.0 release. Apple has not yet disclosed to developers how to sync bookmarks. Addresses currently in your hiptop Desktop Interface server will sync down to the Mac OS X Address Book. You should not loose any data in the custom fields, but of course only the same fields that exist on both sides can sync. Ken On Feb 27, 2004, at 9:20 AM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: > Now that the app is done....how about adding in the bookmark sync > while we wait (I'll pre-order if programmers need $ and I'm sure > others would)? Also, will the address cards on the server be mirrors > of the cards in address book? I wouldn't want to sync and lose all my > custom named fields, etc. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From jon at schalliol.com Sat Feb 28 11:22:44 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: <200402281701.i1SH1pQ5027560@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402281701.i1SH1pQ5027560@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: >We won't have bookmark support in the 1.0 release. Apple has not yet >disclosed to developers how to sync bookmarks. Ahh, well, that should be pretty easy I would think. Bookmarks are located in "Bookmarks.plist", which appears to be just a meta tagged XML. With a DTD at http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd The plist is broken up by tag, so just going through the file should make it apparent what information is needed for Safari. I keep my two macs updated by syncing new versions of this file, but of course a programmer grabbing the right information about records would compare with individual records to sync instead of update the file. >Addresses currently in your hiptop Desktop Interface server will sync >down to the Mac OS X Address Book. You should not loose any data in the >custom fields, but of course only the same fields that exist on both >sides can sync. So, if I am syncing and a custom field isn't on the hiptop, when I re-sync on the Mac again, will it overwrite the whole card in address book, or only updated fields. Example, if an address card uses "cell" as a phone title on the Macs and that field isn't in the hiptop, will it sync? If not, when I change that card on the hiptop in some way, will it kill my cell field when I sync again on the Mac. What about something like phonetic last name, which is a standard field in OS X's book. Does the server only store the other fields that are in the hiptop address book? Does changing a phone number in that address book destroy the phonetic last name if you re-sync again with the mac? If you were to sync with another Mac and all of the information isn't on the server, what would you get written down to the other machine? A new card w/ or w/o the phonetic last name in address book? Thanks. From sgruby at markspace.com Sat Feb 28 11:45:21 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: References: <200402281701.i1SH1pQ5027560@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: On Feb 28, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: >> We won't have bookmark support in the 1.0 release. Apple has not yet >> disclosed to developers how to sync bookmarks. > > Ahh, well, that should be pretty easy I would think. Bookmarks are > located in "Bookmarks.plist", which appears to be just a meta tagged > XML. With a DTD at http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd The > plist is broken up by tag, so just going through the file should make > it apparent what information is needed for Safari. I keep my two macs > updated by syncing new versions of this file, but of course a > programmer grabbing the right information about records would compare > with individual records to sync instead of update the file. > Unfortunately things aren't as simple as they may seem. Missing Sync for Hiptop is a plugin to iSync and we use the iSync interfaces to access data. The iSync interfaces allow us to find changes on a per record basis and deal with conflicts. In addition, a bigger question is "do you want to sync all your desktop bookmarks to your hiptop?" If the answer is no, then what do we sync? This is a feature on our wish list, but it didn't make it into the 1.0 release of our product. We don't have an estimate of when we'll be able to add this feature. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From jon at schalliol.com Sun Feb 29 12:23:54 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Mar 19 09:51:56 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Now that the app is done.... In-Reply-To: <200402291700.i1TH09Q5018475@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402291700.i1TH09Q5018475@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: >Unfortunately things aren't as simple as they may seem. Missing Sync >for Hiptop is a plugin to iSync and we use the iSync interfaces to >access data. The iSync interfaces allow us to find changes on a per >record basis and deal with conflicts. In addition, a bigger question is >"do you want to sync all your desktop bookmarks to your hiptop?" If the >answer is no, then what do we sync? > >This is a feature on our wish list, but it didn't make it into the 1.0 >release of our product. We don't have an estimate of when we'll be able >to add this feature. I understand. Adding a check box for all or nothing would be good for me. If people aren't happy with this "bigger question" then that could be dealt with later for specific records vs. total. Looking forward to the product, money in hand. :-) From wms3 at wms3.com Thu Feb 5 14:06:40 2004 From: wms3 at wms3.com (Wilbur M. Sims III) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> I'd have to agree with Sherman. Regarding missing-sync and the Hiptop you should be talking to people in the hiptop.com forums. Its unfortunate that the signal to noise ratio there sucks so horribly - but I have yet to see a better alternative -- other than perhaps the developer wiki (in which case you'll miss a huge portion of your audience). Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most things portable. And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and MacUpdate (http://www.versiontracker.com and http://www.macupdate.com respectively) are key for product release announcements. On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2004 Brian Hall said: > >> We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn >> about >> Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. > > Mac in general: > > MacInTouch (products, troubleshooting) > MacFixIt (excellent troubleshooting site) > MacOSXHints (excellent OS X site) > MacNN (product announcements, etc.) > MacMinute (product announcement, etc.) > > Hiptop: > (I'm sure you already know this one) > > > -- > Sherman Wilcox > Department of Linguistics > University of New Mexico > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From mkb_cbr at mac.com Fri Feb 6 00:10:01 2004 From: mkb_cbr at mac.com (Mike Brodhead) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Online info sources In-Reply-To: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402052004.i15K4km10373@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076026204.6B3DC9@s29.dngr.org> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:23pm, missing-sync-hiptop-talk-request@lists.markspace.com wrote: > We'd like to know what you consider the best places (online) to learn > about > Macs in general, and hiptop in particular. Hiptop.com used to have interesting forums but seems to have devolved of late. I am somewhat active in the hiptop community on Live Journal. As for Mac stuff I pick up a fair amount indurectly on slashdot and occasionally scan the RSS feed for TidBits for headlines that seem interesting. I miss BMUG. --mkb From stevenf at panic.com Sun Feb 8 19:43:39 2004 From: stevenf at panic.com (Steven Frank) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Support for developer OS? Message-ID: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> Hi, Currently my Hiptop is running the developer OS for various reasons, connecting to the developer back-end. Will there be any way (secret pref?) for me to use Missing Sync for Hiptop without switching back to the production service? My understanding is that you would just have to change from one URL to another when talking to Danger's back-end servers to make it work, in much the same way I access the Desktop Interface at danger.com instead of t-mobile.com. I know, it's kind of a weird request, but I thought I'd ask. Steven From sgruby at markspace.com Sun Feb 8 19:57:24 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Support for developer OS? In-Reply-To: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> References: <25EDE51E-5AB2-11D8-91F1-000A959A0A3A@panic.com> Message-ID: <11974C2A-5AB4-11D8-B86A-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:43 PM, Steven Frank wrote: > Hi, > > Currently my Hiptop is running the developer OS for various reasons, > connecting to the developer back-end. Will there be any way (secret > pref?) for me to use Missing Sync for Hiptop without switching back to > the production service? > > My understanding is that you would just have to change from one URL to > another when talking to Danger's back-end servers to make it work, in > much the same way I access the Desktop Interface at danger.com instead > of t-mobile.com. > > I know, it's kind of a weird request, but I thought I'd ask. > > Yes, there is a way to switch to the developer server; once the product is released, you can contact our support folks for information on how to switch servers. -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From brian_hall at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:27:45 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> Message-ID: >Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. >One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage (http://www.powerpage.com) >which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most >things portable. I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe they are having some transient DNS issue? > And, as you are no doubt aware, VersionTracker and We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to when I'm looking to find software). Thanks Brian -- _____________________________________________________________________ Mark/Space, Inc. voice 408-293-7299 540 N. Santa Cruz Ave. #300 fax 408-293-7298 Los Gatos, CA 95030 From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:45:38 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: References: <20040205173555.4434@smtp.comcast.net> <6DDBCEB4-580E-11D8-8389-000A95C70738@wms3.com> Message-ID: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:27 PM, Brian Hall wrote: >> Sherman also hit the creme de la creme of the Macintosh news outlets. >> One I might add would be O'Grady's Powerpage >> (http://www.powerpage.com) >> which has a long standing history with both the Macintosh and most >> things portable. > > I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe > they are > having some transient DNS issue? > >> It's . -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 22:51:41 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[missing-sync-hiptop-talk]=20=20Where=20do=20you=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?go=20to=20learn=20about=20Mac=20=09and/or=20hiptop?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> Brian said: >I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe they are >having some transient DNS issue? That's odd. I got there frequently too, www.powerpage.com is the correct URL. >We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better >places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to when I'm >looking to find software). Many people are turning to www.macupdate.com because the reader reviews on VT are getting less that useful. But I also use VT as my first choice. -- Sherman From sgruby at markspace.com Mon Feb 9 21:56:22 2004 From: sgruby at markspace.com (Scott Gruby) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> References: <20040210055141.15714@smtp.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > Brian said: > >> I just tried that, and I get redirected to "iRegistrat.com". Maybe >> they are >> having some transient DNS issue? > > That's odd. I got there frequently too, www.powerpage.com is the > correct URL. > >> We've long been on versiontracker - that seems to be one of the better >> places to get the word out! (And also the place I personally go to >> when I'm >> looking to find software). > > Many people are turning to www.macupdate.com because the reader reviews > on VT are getting less that useful. But I also use VT as my first > choice. > > Unfortunately I haven't found the reader reviews on macupdate.com to be any more useful than VersionTracker; I actually do find good comments on VersionTracker. There are a number of comments on both sites from people that never use the products and simply give the products poor marks. VT also posts information faster than macupdate.com because MU seems to use bots to snag the information from VT and other sources. I've personally been using VT for years and have been consistently pleased with their site. (Just my opinion; it does not necessarily reflect that of Mark/Space.) -- Scott Gruby Lead Engineer Mark/Space, Inc. From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 23:15:51 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040210061551.23976@smtp.comcast.net> Scott said: >Unfortunately I haven't found the reader reviews on macupdate.com to be >any more useful than VersionTracker Yes, now that you mention it, that's true. -- Sherman From wilcox at unm.edu Mon Feb 9 23:16:12 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Where do you go to learn about Mac and/or hiptop In-Reply-To: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> References: <5AA55C6C-5B8C-11D8-B10B-000393A57B52@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040210061612.19298@smtp.comcast.net> Scott said: >It's . Arrggg! Sorry!! -- Sherman From vertig0gitrev at mac.com Wed Feb 11 22:18:23 2004 From: vertig0gitrev at mac.com (Devin Gingrich) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Getting closer to a release date? / 3GSM World Congress In-Reply-To: <200402062001.i16K1am24281@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> References: <200402062001.i16K1am24281@markspace.vps.fluidhosting.com> Message-ID: <1076555906.205CBC00@r5.dngr.org> Hey... I was just wondering if we had gotten any closer to a release date. If so, any idea on when that might be? I don't mean to be annoying... I'm just excited for the product. Also, do you know if your end of the month release date has anything to with something else being announced at the "3GSM World Congress" in France Feb 23-26 (which Danger will be at)? Will the PC sync software be coming out around then as well? Not that I expect you to be able to say much of anything... Just hoping. From brian_hall at markspace.com Thu Feb 12 11:02:00 2004 From: brian_hall at markspace.com (Brian Hall) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Message-ID: <200402121904.LAA14892@fire.he.net> Devin Gingrich wrote on 2/11/04 7:18 pm: > Not that I expect you to be able to say much of anything... Just > hoping. We will post to this list the same day it goes on sale, as well as versiontracker and all the usual places and our press list. We are still on track for it to be by the end of this month. Brian (live from PalmSource DevCon) -- Sent via wireless handheld Brian Hall From alex at bratton.com Thu Feb 12 21:09:23 2004 From: alex at bratton.com (Alex Bratton) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Selecting a subset of contacts to sync? Message-ID: <065B8970-5DD2-11D8-B718-000A95C50374@bratton.com> How is the system going to be handling selecting a subset of contacts to sync out to the Hiptop? For those of us with a large address book we'll hit the Hiptop's list limit right away. Will that be as simple as just creating a new contact group in Address Book? Thanks, Alex (And I'll throw another vote in that I can't wait to get my hands on this software) From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 12 19:31:00 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Selecting a subset of contacts to sync? Message-ID: <200402130412.UAA22412@fire.he.net> You can choose to sync with a single Mac Address Book group. Ken Alex Bratton wrote on 2/12/04 7:09 pm: From missingsync at sean-graham.com Wed Feb 18 02:00:59 2004 From: missingsync at sean-graham.com (Sean Graham) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date Message-ID: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> I am taking a stab in the dark here, but is the release of Missing Sync Hiptop dependent on the successful rollout of the 1.1 OTA to Fido users? sean -- Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu http://www.sean-graham.com/ From kfreeman at markspace.com Wed Feb 18 07:23:10 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date In-Reply-To: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> References: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> Message-ID: <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> If you notice the system requirements on the Missing Sync for hiptop product page notice that the hiptop OS 1.1 is a requirement. Ken On Feb 17, 2004, at 11:00 PM, Sean Graham wrote: > I am taking a stab in the dark here, but is the release of Missing Sync > Hiptop dependent on the successful rollout of the 1.1 OTA to Fido > users? > > sean > -- > Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu > http://www.sean-graham.com/ > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From missingsync at sean-graham.com Wed Feb 18 10:38:27 2004 From: missingsync at sean-graham.com (Sean Graham) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Release Date In-Reply-To: <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> References: <20040218070059.GA22361@csh.rit.edu> <5C13EA94-6226-11D8-8E95-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040218153826.GC7235@csh.rit.edu> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 07:23:10AM -0800, Ken Freeman wrote: > If you notice the system requirements on the Missing Sync for hiptop > product page notice that the hiptop OS 1.1 is a requirement. I was just curious if the Fido rollout (which just started full-steam) was the reason for the "end of february" release date... I'm a T-Mobile user, so I have 1.1, I'm just waiting around for the end of February. :P sean -- Sean M. Graham - grahams@csh.rit.edu http://www.sean-graham.com/ From jon at schalliol.com Wed Feb 18 10:20:19 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Release Date Message-ID: I'm pretty sure it will ship when they're able to work with the servers as desired and it works well (since it's late in beta I assume). If you don't have the OTA update you won't be able to use it, but there's no reason they'd wait to ship because a few users don't have it yet. From vertig0gitrev at mac.com Fri Feb 20 17:05:10 2004 From: vertig0gitrev at mac.com (Devin Gingrich) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? -Devin From chrisrodney at sympatico.ca Fri Feb 20 20:40:57 2004 From: chrisrodney at sympatico.ca (Chris Rodney) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] OTA Update finally being rolled out to Fido users! Message-ID: I'm a colour hiptop user in Toronto, Canada. I just received the over the air update and a bunch of free ringtones and software. (LED Football has officially replaced Snowboard as the most addictive hiptop game.) Bring on the Missing Sync! My Powerbook is waiting! ;) ______ Chris Rodney President and Owner EveryWay Consulting & Business Solutions E-Mail: ecbs@sympatico.ca AIM/iChat: chrisrodney Tel. 416-834-0298 Fax. 270-633-8814 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 880 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20040220/de94b8f8/attachment-0003.bin From kfreeman at markspace.com Tue Feb 24 12:11:02 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> Message-ID: <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Alarms set on in iCal will map to the reminder feature on the hiptop. I don't see an option on the hiptop to keep ringing, but the reminder does bring up a dialog that at some point has to be dismissed. Is this what you are referring to? Ken On Feb 20, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Devin Gingrich wrote: > Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the > alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? > > -Devin > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From staffin at uiuc.edu Tue Feb 24 15:34:46 2004 From: staffin at uiuc.edu (Ben Staffin) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Alarms in iCal In-Reply-To: <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> References: <200402191703.i1JH3dof023024@localhost.localdomain> <1077296715.2BF6A660@w37.dngr.org> <91A7FFEC-6705-11D8-82BD-000A9570181E@markspace.com> Message-ID: <20040224213446.GN2412@yakko.math.uiuc.edu> He is probably referring to the ring "Until stopped" option in the Time Traveler application available through catalog. It would be neat for Missing Sync able to interface with that, but I am not sure if it is possible. - Ben * Ken Freeman [2004-02-24 14:11] wibbled: > Alarms set on in iCal will map to the reminder feature on the hiptop. I > don't see an option on the hiptop to keep ringing, but the reminder > does bring up a dialog that at some point has to be dismissed. Is this > what you are referring to? > > Ken > > On Feb 20, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Devin Gingrich wrote: > > >Will there be a way to set alarms within iCal so that they use the > >alert on the sidekick that keeps ringing until it is stopped? > > > >-Devin > >_______________________________________________ > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk -- /-- | Ben Staffin perpetual nerd | --/ From jon at schalliol.com Wed Feb 25 09:14:49 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: I assume that this would work, but will syncing to the hiptop servers then allow people to sync multiple Macs? I assume that address book and iCal will be able to be sync'd that way, avoiding the need for .mac to do this. Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. I can't wait. I know it's a software download, but I'd pre-order if I could. I guess it will be released by Friday unless the markspace guys might release on the 28th or 29th. From kfreeman at markspace.com Wed Feb 25 12:39:33 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: References: <200402251700.i1PH0PQ5029900@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: On Feb 25, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: > I assume that this would work, but will syncing to the hiptop servers > then allow people to sync multiple Macs? I assume that address book > and iCal will be able to be sync'd that way, avoiding the need for > .mac to do this. I suppose that you are correct. > > Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? > I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we > don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! > > I can't wait. I know it's a software download, but I'd pre-order if I > could. I guess it will be released by Friday unless the markspace > guys might release on the 28th or 29th. > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From mz+markspace at wildpackets.com Wed Feb 25 14:30:42 2004 From: mz+markspace at wildpackets.com (Mahboud Zabetian) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> >> Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? >> I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we >> don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. > > Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! I second that. I'd also like my AIM buddies synced to the Address Book or to iChat, if possible. From gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu Wed Feb 25 20:12:42 2004 From: gss+hipsync at cs.brown.edu (Gregory Seidman) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Sync Multiple Computers Together Without .mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040226011242.GA22689@cs.brown.edu> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:30:42PM -0800, Mahboud Zabetian wrote: } } >> } >> Also, can we sync bookmarks between Safari and the hiptop web browser? } >> I know that we probably don't surf as often on our hiptops, so we } >> don't have a very well defined bookmark setup, this could help there. } > } > Bookmarks do NOT sync. Great feature request! } } I second that. I'll put in my vote as well, though it would be preferable to have the option to sync a subfolder of the Safari bookmarks rather than the whole thing. My bookmarks have been developing since early 1994 and I don't need all of those bookmarks on my hip. } I'd also like my AIM buddies synced to the Address Book or to iChat, if } possible. This should happen anyway, since the buddies are stored on AOL's servers and both the hiptop and iChat read/write the list on the AIM server. Apple's marginally novel integration of AIM buddies and the addressbook isn't really relevant for syncing, however, unless and until the hiptop supports it as well. --Greg From tristan at tristantom.com Thu Feb 26 09:19:58 2004 From: tristan at tristantom.com (Tristan Tom) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Questions Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> I just joined this mailing list and am excited to get this software. I a question about it: -If I have contacts in my Sidekick already and no contacts in my Mac addressbook, will it sync it so that the contacts are put into the Mac addressbook? From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 12:54:30 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Questions In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040226091808.0272a390@mail.well.com> Message-ID: Yes! That is exactly what will happen. Ken On Feb 26, 2004, at 9:19 AM, Tristan Tom wrote: > I just joined this mailing list and am excited to get this software. I > a question about it: > > -If I have contacts in my Sidekick already and no contacts in my Mac > addressbook, will it sync it so that the contacts are put into the Mac > addressbook? > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From kfreeman at markspace.com Thu Feb 26 13:14:58 2004 From: kfreeman at markspace.com (Ken Freeman) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability Message-ID: The Missing Sync for hiptop software has been completed and tested and awaits server changes being made by Danger and their carriers before it can be made available. Previous goals for these server changes suggested a targeted Missing Sync ship date in February 2004, but we have been notified that these server changes have not yet been completed. Unfortunately, the release date for the Missing Sync for hiptop will be delayed until Danger and their carriers have made the necessary preparations. Each Danger hiptop carrier will decide if and when they plan to support PIM synchronization. The first carrier to support synchronization will be T-Mobile, with the other hiptop carriers to possibly follow. We apologize for the inconvenience and will announce availability on the Missing Sync for hiptop email discussion list as new information is made available. Ken Freeman Mark/Space, Inc. Product Manager From sam at vis.nu Thu Feb 26 15:07:03 2004 From: sam at vis.nu (sam mulvey) Date: Thu Mar 25 23:00:35 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync for hiptop Availability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Ken Freeman wrote: > The first carrier to support synchronization will be T-Mobile, with the > other hiptop carriers to possibly follow. Which suggests that someone, somewhere knows when this will take place, at least for T-Mobile. Is there someone I can contact t