From jon at schalliol.com Fri Dec 3 08:07:15 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Dec 3 05:07:31 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync on T-Mobile Help Document Message-ID: I went looking for Mac sync on T-Mobile and found this help document: http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm21921.htm?PKBview=y Missing Sync for Hiptop is software that synchronizes calendar events, to do items, and contacts to and from Apple's iCal and Address Book desktop applications with a Hiptop. The program syncs all the PIM data (Calendar, To Dos, and Address Book) for Mac, Hiptop, and online Desktop Interface. A product description can be found at www.markspace.com/hiptop.html. Missing Sync for Hiptop is sold by Mark/Space, Inc as an electronic software download and can be purchased for $29.95 at store.markspace.com. If T-Mobile even has this on their site, we shouldn't have a problem with them "allowing" folks to use it. Maybe MarkSpace just is unhappy with whatever deal they offer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20041203/a19269c0/attachment.htm From lola at his.com Fri Dec 3 08:41:30 2004 From: lola at his.com (Lola Lee) Date: Fri Dec 3 05:41:39 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync on T-Mobile Help Document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B06D0A.9060003@his.com> Jonathan Schalliol said the following on 12/3/04 8:07 AM: > If T-Mobile even has this on their site, we shouldn't have a problem > with them "allowing" folks to use it. Maybe MarkSpace just is unhappy > with whatever deal they offer. Color me confused . . . it seems there's some sort of disconnect somewhere. Anxiously awaiting SK II which is due to arrive at my home any day now . . . -- Lola - mailto:lola@his.com http://www.lolajl.net | Blog at http://www.lolajl.net/blog/ Terrorism delenda est! (Terrorism must be destroyed utterly!) I'm in Bowie, MD, USA, halfway between DC and Annapolis. From jon at schalliol.com Fri Dec 3 15:34:33 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri Dec 3 12:34:37 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Missing Sync on T-Mobile Help Document In-Reply-To: <200412032020.iB3KKTEO013411@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200412032020.iB3KKTEO013411@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: Yes, I agree, I'm really waiting for this. I'm not backing out either, I just got a Sidekick II. If T-Mobile is ok with putting something on their site saying that the product is available, and Danger says they want it available (I was told this by Danger, but told that it was up to T-Mobile), then it seems the product should come out. MARK/SPACE: WHO DO WE NEED TO TELL WE REALLLY WANT THIS PRODUCT? I'm sorry for yelling, but this is an important thing. If the decision makers don't believe people really need this product, they're not going to release it. I've heard nothing so far about who we can contact. From andrewkornuta at mac.com Fri Dec 3 13:27:50 2004 From: andrewkornuta at mac.com (Andrew K) Date: Fri Dec 3 13:27:52 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Missing Sync on T-Mobile Help Document In-Reply-To: References: <200412032020.iB3KKTEO013411@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <9830690.1102109270775.JavaMail.andrewkornuta@mac.com> It's probably just misinformation on T-Mobile's site, to be honest. They probably wrote that up and published it before they decided they didn't want to support the effort. Watch, it will be removed shortly. On Friday, December 03, 2004, at 01:01PM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: >Yes, I agree, I'm really waiting for this. I'm not backing out >either, I just got a Sidekick II. If T-Mobile is ok with putting >something on their site saying that the product is available, and >Danger says they want it available (I was told this by Danger, but >told that it was up to T-Mobile), then it seems the product should >come out. > >MARK/SPACE: WHO DO WE NEED TO TELL WE REALLLY WANT THIS PRODUCT? I'm >sorry for yelling, but this is an important thing. If the decision >makers don't believe people really need this product, they're not >going to release it. I've heard nothing so far about who we can >contact. >_______________________________________________ >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > From griffin_sabine at hotmail.com Fri Dec 3 19:56:06 2004 From: griffin_sabine at hotmail.com (sabine griffin) Date: Fri Dec 3 18:57:03 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] already a done deal Message-ID: Danger/tmobile have already said that this is dead in the water. If you want to complain to someone, complain to danger/tmobile. sadly. I can't find a link to the thread where danger says the deal is dead... but it's dead. It's shameful that it's still on their website... From kensho at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 02:01:18 2004 From: kensho at gmail.com (Mark Marge) Date: Tue Dec 7 23:01:33 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? Message-ID: I emailed markspace asking for an explanation for exactly what killed the deal... not surprisingly i received a response saying " 'Unfortunately we have not been able to reach an agreement with Danger, and at this point are not expecting to.' I am not in a position within the company to know more about the reasoning or areas of disagreement, but as you can imagine, negotiations are always pretty confidential anyway." I guess I don't understand why its so confidential? Why cant we know what happened? Not telling us what went wrong makes me think that it could still happen... or else what reason would markspace have for not telling us? Just company policy? From lists at subluminal.com Wed Dec 8 09:18:20 2004 From: lists at subluminal.com (Brian J. Geiger) Date: Wed Dec 8 06:19:50 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Marge wrote: >" 'Unfortunately we have not been able to reach an agreement with >Danger, and at this point are not expecting to.' > >Not telling us what went wrong makes me think that it could still >happen... or else what reason would markspace have for not telling us? They can't tell you because it's not something that's completely internal, it also involves another company. Parts of the negotiations may involve discussions of future products, financial statements of one or both companies, or a personality on one side or the other being a big jerk, and it's usually not good for a company to reveal that about another company. However, you should stop thinking that it could still happen. That is what they are trying to say with "and at this point are not expecting to." It is unfortunate. -- Brian J. Geiger bgeiger@pobox.com Member of the Apple Consultants Network http://www.subluminal.com/ From wilcox at unm.edu Wed Dec 8 07:37:58 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed Dec 8 06:38:03 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/8/04 7:18 AM, "Brian J. Geiger" wrote: > However, you should stop thinking that it could still happen. That is what > they are trying to say > with "and at this point are not expecting to." It is unfortunate. I think Brian is surely correct -- this is never going to happen. I'm one who finally dropped SideKick. After much consideration, I decided to move to a BlackBerry 7100t. While it's not the most Mac-friendly device in the world, the PocketMac sync application gives me the support that I need. I'd love to see Mark/Space develop a sync application for the BlackBerry, though! And a more Mac-like, IMAP compatible email program for the BB. Sigh... -- Sherman From kensho at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 12:40:20 2004 From: kensho at gmail.com (Mark Marge) Date: Wed Dec 8 09:40:25 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B1C1292-4940-11D9-98C7-000D93B3C9B2@gmail.com> On Dec 8, 2004, at 9:37 AM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: >> > > I think Brian is surely correct -- this is never going to happen. > > I'm one who finally dropped SideKick. After much consideration, I > decided to > move to a BlackBerry 7100t. While it's not the most Mac-friendly > device in > the world, the PocketMac sync application gives me the support that I > need. > I'd love to see Mark/Space develop a sync application for the > BlackBerry, > though! And a more Mac-like, IMAP compatible email program for the BB. > Sigh... > > -- > Sherman > I am assuming that you are with T-mobile? Have you been able to use AOL instant messager applications without a BES hosting service? I have heard that Tmobile has recently disabled TCP/IP for blackberries...so that BES is necessary now. ---- Mark Marge From kullback at mac.com Wed Dec 8 09:44:55 2004 From: kullback at mac.com (Steve Kullback) Date: Wed Dec 8 09:44:55 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <3B1C1292-4940-11D9-98C7-000D93B3C9B2@gmail.com> References: <3B1C1292-4940-11D9-98C7-000D93B3C9B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 8, 2004, at 9:40 AM, Mark Marge wrote: > > On Dec 8, 2004, at 9:37 AM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: >>> >> >> I think Brian is surely correct -- this is never going to happen. >> >> I'm one who finally dropped SideKick. After much consideration, I >> decided to >> move to a BlackBerry 7100t. While it's not the most Mac-friendly >> device in >> the world, the PocketMac sync application gives me the support that I >> need. >> I'd love to see Mark/Space develop a sync application for the >> BlackBerry, >> though! And a more Mac-like, IMAP compatible email program for the BB. >> Sigh... >> >> -- >> Sherman >> > > I am assuming that you are with T-mobile? Have you been able to use > AOL instant messager applications without a BES hosting service? > I have heard that Tmobile has recently disabled TCP/IP for > blackberries...so that BES is necessary now. > > ---- > Mark Marge > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From wilcox at unm.edu Wed Dec 8 11:49:24 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed Dec 8 10:49:28 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: <3B1C1292-4940-11D9-98C7-000D93B3C9B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/8/04 10:40 AM, "Mark Marge" wrote: > I am assuming that you are with T-mobile? Have you been able to use > AOL instant messager applications without a BES hosting service? > I have heard that Tmobile has recently disabled TCP/IP for > blackberries...so that BES is necessary now. Yes, I am with T-Mobile. I haven't used AIM for a while, so let me check. I found the AIM client to be pretty unreliable. It would hang when trying to log me on about 75% of the time. I tried Verichat, which was much better, but it costs $30 I believe. And I now see that my demo period has expired, so I can't try it (last time I used VeriChat was a couple of days before Thanksgiving). I'll report back in a bit (running to a meeting). -- Sherman From gtapolow at mac.com Wed Dec 8 11:02:34 2004 From: gtapolow at mac.com (Andrei Freeman) Date: Wed Dec 8 11:02:42 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] The leading reason I'm stuck waiting...(was Re: Why no explanation from markspace?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All- This in a nutshell is what keeps me trapped on the sidekick. My wide if hearing impaired. As a result, AIM on the sidekick became our mobile phone solution. I keep waiting for the Bluetooth Trio to see if that will be my "Holy Grail" but until then, I have yet to find a compelling unit that has a usable keyboard, SMS, fairly good web (I wish there was javascript) and most importantly Active AOL IM. Any pointers would of course be warmly appreciated. - -Andrei Mac-Sidekick user looking for Sync in all the wrong Cell-phones. On Dec 8, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On 12/8/04 10:40 AM, "Mark Marge" wrote: > >> I am assuming that you are with T-mobile? Have you been able to use >> AOL instant messager applications without a BES hosting service? >> I have heard that Tmobile has recently disabled TCP/IP for >> blackberries...so that BES is necessary now. > > Yes, I am with T-Mobile. I haven't used AIM for a while, so let me > check. I > found the AIM client to be pretty unreliable. It would hang when > trying to > log me on about 75% of the time. > > I tried Verichat, which was much better, but it costs $30 I believe. > And I > now see that my demo period has expired, so I can't try it (last time > I used > VeriChat was a couple of days before Thanksgiving). > > I'll report back in a bit (running to a meeting). > -- > Sherman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: 93, 93/93 iD8DBQFBt0/Sei4q9cz8GHARAtBqAKDAnEHUxlUDbTppPTVGDLwv3IEIgwCdFrSD 8lcr1SPwD/9jTHIkm7e7WF4= =q6DO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wilcox at unm.edu Wed Dec 8 13:08:14 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed Dec 8 12:08:22 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] The leading reason I'm stuck waiting...(was Re: Why no explanation from markspace?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/8/04 12:02 PM, "Andrei Freeman" wrote: > This in a nutshell is what keeps me trapped on the sidekick. My wide if > hearing impaired. I work with deaf people and have colleagues that work with deaf people. Yes, the SideKick is great for this, and AIM is a big reason why. Regarding the original question: I just logged onto AIM using the client that ships with the 7100 (which sucks, and it froze on me again the first time I tried to log on). I did get logged on, and I *can* use AIM. I do *not* have BES, I'm in a Mac-only environment. I'm using only the T-Mobile service (the $60 plan that includes 1000 minutes and unlimited data). I have my email forwarded to my BlackBerry. So for me, anyway (Albuquerquem, NM) AIM is working without BES. -- Sherman From emdash at mac.com Wed Dec 8 12:57:40 2004 From: emdash at mac.com (Allan Ayres) Date: Wed Dec 8 12:57:43 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sherman, thanks so much for your info on the 7100t. Your recommendation to the list a while ago has made me seriously consider it. Could you please explain this comment, though: > And a more Mac-like, IMAP compatible email program for the BB. The 7100 email client is not IMAP compatible? So are you saying that it checks your non-tmail accounts via POP3 or some such? What are the consequences of this: messages sent from your 7100 don't show up in your IMAP account, that sort of thing? Or do you literally have to get your IMAP account to forward mail to the tmail account that's tied to the 7100? (I hope I'm making sense here -- I'm home with the flu, so I could be completely delirious.) The IMAP factor was something that got me especially giggly when the Sidekick II was announced... sigh. Thanks very much, --Allan From wilcox at unm.edu Wed Dec 8 15:02:30 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Wed Dec 8 14:02:34 2004 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/8/04 1:57 PM, "Allan Ayres" wrote: > The 7100 email client is not IMAP compatible? So are you saying that > it checks your non-tmail accounts via POP3 or some such? What are the > consequences of this: messages sent from your 7100 don't show up in > your IMAP account, that sort of thing? > > Or do you literally have to get your IMAP account to forward mail to > the tmail account that's tied to the 7100? When I first got the 7100 I set it up to pop into my university account. The university prefers that we use IMAP, claims they only support IMAP, but in fact I also use my email client (Entourage) in POP mode. I decided I didn't like this system, though, because you can't control how often the 7100 pops. It seemed like it was doing it every 15 minutes or so. So I now have it configured this way: I have all my university mail forwarded to my BlackBerry address (except, as I mentioned previously, I now have some simple filters that exclude certain spam messages from getting forwarded to the 7100). I like this way better because the messages get pushed to the 7100. This happens very fast, typically long before I ever receive it on my Mac (and in fact the 7100 acts to notify me when a new message arrives). It doesn't do IMAP if by that you mean allowing you to see the email folder structure on your IMAP server, move messages into/out of these folders, etc. So: yes, messages sent from the 7100 don't show up in my IMAP account, and yes, I do have to literally have my IMAP account forward mail to the tmo.blackberry.net account. Messages are received twice: once on the 7100, and also on my PowerBook. As I say, this way works fine for me. But if T-Mobile calls this IMAP support, it isn't. -- Sherman From jon at schalliol.com Fri Dec 3 08:07:15 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync on T-Mobile Help Document Message-ID: I went looking for Mac sync on T-Mobile and found this help document: http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm21921.htm?PKBview=y Missing Sync for Hiptop is software that synchronizes calendar events, to do items, and contacts to and from Apple's iCal and Address Book desktop applications with a Hiptop. The program syncs all the PIM data (Calendar, To Dos, and Address Book) for Mac, Hiptop, and online Desktop Interface. A product description can be found at www.markspace.com/hiptop.html. Missing Sync for Hiptop is sold by Mark/Space, Inc as an electronic software download and can be purchased for $29.95 at store.markspace.com. If T-Mobile even has this on their site, we shouldn't have a problem with them "allowing" folks to use it. Maybe MarkSpace just is unhappy with whatever deal they offer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/missing-sync-hiptop-talk/attachments/20041203/a19269c0/attachment-0002.htm From lola at his.com Fri Dec 3 08:41:30 2004 From: lola at his.com (Lola Lee) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Missing Sync on T-Mobile Help Document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B06D0A.9060003@his.com> Jonathan Schalliol said the following on 12/3/04 8:07 AM: > If T-Mobile even has this on their site, we shouldn't have a problem > with them "allowing" folks to use it. Maybe MarkSpace just is unhappy > with whatever deal they offer. Color me confused . . . it seems there's some sort of disconnect somewhere. Anxiously awaiting SK II which is due to arrive at my home any day now . . . -- Lola - mailto:lola@his.com http://www.lolajl.net | Blog at http://www.lolajl.net/blog/ Terrorism delenda est! (Terrorism must be destroyed utterly!) I'm in Bowie, MD, USA, halfway between DC and Annapolis. From jon at schalliol.com Fri Dec 3 15:34:33 2004 From: jon at schalliol.com (Jonathan Schalliol) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Missing Sync on T-Mobile Help Document In-Reply-To: <200412032020.iB3KKTEO013411@penguin.markspace.com> References: <200412032020.iB3KKTEO013411@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: Yes, I agree, I'm really waiting for this. I'm not backing out either, I just got a Sidekick II. If T-Mobile is ok with putting something on their site saying that the product is available, and Danger says they want it available (I was told this by Danger, but told that it was up to T-Mobile), then it seems the product should come out. MARK/SPACE: WHO DO WE NEED TO TELL WE REALLLY WANT THIS PRODUCT? I'm sorry for yelling, but this is an important thing. If the decision makers don't believe people really need this product, they're not going to release it. I've heard nothing so far about who we can contact. From andrewkornuta at mac.com Fri Dec 3 13:27:50 2004 From: andrewkornuta at mac.com (Andrew K) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Re: Missing Sync on T-Mobile Help Document In-Reply-To: References: <200412032020.iB3KKTEO013411@penguin.markspace.com> Message-ID: <9830690.1102109270775.JavaMail.andrewkornuta@mac.com> It's probably just misinformation on T-Mobile's site, to be honest. They probably wrote that up and published it before they decided they didn't want to support the effort. Watch, it will be removed shortly. On Friday, December 03, 2004, at 01:01PM, Jonathan Schalliol wrote: >Yes, I agree, I'm really waiting for this. I'm not backing out >either, I just got a Sidekick II. If T-Mobile is ok with putting >something on their site saying that the product is available, and >Danger says they want it available (I was told this by Danger, but >told that it was up to T-Mobile), then it seems the product should >come out. > >MARK/SPACE: WHO DO WE NEED TO TELL WE REALLLY WANT THIS PRODUCT? I'm >sorry for yelling, but this is an important thing. If the decision >makers don't believe people really need this product, they're not >going to release it. I've heard nothing so far about who we can >contact. >_______________________________________________ >missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list >missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com >http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > > From griffin_sabine at hotmail.com Fri Dec 3 19:56:06 2004 From: griffin_sabine at hotmail.com (sabine griffin) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:33 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] already a done deal Message-ID: Danger/tmobile have already said that this is dead in the water. If you want to complain to someone, complain to danger/tmobile. sadly. I can't find a link to the thread where danger says the deal is dead... but it's dead. It's shameful that it's still on their website... From kensho at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 02:01:18 2004 From: kensho at gmail.com (Mark Marge) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? Message-ID: I emailed markspace asking for an explanation for exactly what killed the deal... not surprisingly i received a response saying " 'Unfortunately we have not been able to reach an agreement with Danger, and at this point are not expecting to.' I am not in a position within the company to know more about the reasoning or areas of disagreement, but as you can imagine, negotiations are always pretty confidential anyway." I guess I don't understand why its so confidential? Why cant we know what happened? Not telling us what went wrong makes me think that it could still happen... or else what reason would markspace have for not telling us? Just company policy? From lists at subluminal.com Wed Dec 8 09:18:20 2004 From: lists at subluminal.com (Brian J. Geiger) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Marge wrote: >" 'Unfortunately we have not been able to reach an agreement with >Danger, and at this point are not expecting to.' > >Not telling us what went wrong makes me think that it could still >happen... or else what reason would markspace have for not telling us? They can't tell you because it's not something that's completely internal, it also involves another company. Parts of the negotiations may involve discussions of future products, financial statements of one or both companies, or a personality on one side or the other being a big jerk, and it's usually not good for a company to reveal that about another company. However, you should stop thinking that it could still happen. That is what they are trying to say with "and at this point are not expecting to." It is unfortunate. -- Brian J. Geiger bgeiger@pobox.com Member of the Apple Consultants Network http://www.subluminal.com/ From wilcox at unm.edu Wed Dec 8 07:37:58 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/8/04 7:18 AM, "Brian J. Geiger" wrote: > However, you should stop thinking that it could still happen. That is what > they are trying to say > with "and at this point are not expecting to." It is unfortunate. I think Brian is surely correct -- this is never going to happen. I'm one who finally dropped SideKick. After much consideration, I decided to move to a BlackBerry 7100t. While it's not the most Mac-friendly device in the world, the PocketMac sync application gives me the support that I need. I'd love to see Mark/Space develop a sync application for the BlackBerry, though! And a more Mac-like, IMAP compatible email program for the BB. Sigh... -- Sherman From kensho at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 12:40:20 2004 From: kensho at gmail.com (Mark Marge) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B1C1292-4940-11D9-98C7-000D93B3C9B2@gmail.com> On Dec 8, 2004, at 9:37 AM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: >> > > I think Brian is surely correct -- this is never going to happen. > > I'm one who finally dropped SideKick. After much consideration, I > decided to > move to a BlackBerry 7100t. While it's not the most Mac-friendly > device in > the world, the PocketMac sync application gives me the support that I > need. > I'd love to see Mark/Space develop a sync application for the > BlackBerry, > though! And a more Mac-like, IMAP compatible email program for the BB. > Sigh... > > -- > Sherman > I am assuming that you are with T-mobile? Have you been able to use AOL instant messager applications without a BES hosting service? I have heard that Tmobile has recently disabled TCP/IP for blackberries...so that BES is necessary now. ---- Mark Marge From kullback at mac.com Wed Dec 8 09:44:55 2004 From: kullback at mac.com (Steve Kullback) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <3B1C1292-4940-11D9-98C7-000D93B3C9B2@gmail.com> References: <3B1C1292-4940-11D9-98C7-000D93B3C9B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 8, 2004, at 9:40 AM, Mark Marge wrote: > > On Dec 8, 2004, at 9:37 AM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: >>> >> >> I think Brian is surely correct -- this is never going to happen. >> >> I'm one who finally dropped SideKick. After much consideration, I >> decided to >> move to a BlackBerry 7100t. While it's not the most Mac-friendly >> device in >> the world, the PocketMac sync application gives me the support that I >> need. >> I'd love to see Mark/Space develop a sync application for the >> BlackBerry, >> though! And a more Mac-like, IMAP compatible email program for the BB. >> Sigh... >> >> -- >> Sherman >> > > I am assuming that you are with T-mobile? Have you been able to use > AOL instant messager applications without a BES hosting service? > I have heard that Tmobile has recently disabled TCP/IP for > blackberries...so that BES is necessary now. > > ---- > Mark Marge > > _______________________________________________ > missing-sync-hiptop-talk mailing list > missing-sync-hiptop-talk@lists.markspace.com > http://lists.markspace.com/mailman/listinfo/missing-sync-hiptop-talk > From wilcox at unm.edu Wed Dec 8 11:49:24 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: <3B1C1292-4940-11D9-98C7-000D93B3C9B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/8/04 10:40 AM, "Mark Marge" wrote: > I am assuming that you are with T-mobile? Have you been able to use > AOL instant messager applications without a BES hosting service? > I have heard that Tmobile has recently disabled TCP/IP for > blackberries...so that BES is necessary now. Yes, I am with T-Mobile. I haven't used AIM for a while, so let me check. I found the AIM client to be pretty unreliable. It would hang when trying to log me on about 75% of the time. I tried Verichat, which was much better, but it costs $30 I believe. And I now see that my demo period has expired, so I can't try it (last time I used VeriChat was a couple of days before Thanksgiving). I'll report back in a bit (running to a meeting). -- Sherman From gtapolow at mac.com Wed Dec 8 11:02:34 2004 From: gtapolow at mac.com (Andrei Freeman) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] The leading reason I'm stuck waiting...(was Re: Why no explanation from markspace?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All- This in a nutshell is what keeps me trapped on the sidekick. My wide if hearing impaired. As a result, AIM on the sidekick became our mobile phone solution. I keep waiting for the Bluetooth Trio to see if that will be my "Holy Grail" but until then, I have yet to find a compelling unit that has a usable keyboard, SMS, fairly good web (I wish there was javascript) and most importantly Active AOL IM. Any pointers would of course be warmly appreciated. - -Andrei Mac-Sidekick user looking for Sync in all the wrong Cell-phones. On Dec 8, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Sherman Wilcox wrote: > On 12/8/04 10:40 AM, "Mark Marge" wrote: > >> I am assuming that you are with T-mobile? Have you been able to use >> AOL instant messager applications without a BES hosting service? >> I have heard that Tmobile has recently disabled TCP/IP for >> blackberries...so that BES is necessary now. > > Yes, I am with T-Mobile. I haven't used AIM for a while, so let me > check. I > found the AIM client to be pretty unreliable. It would hang when > trying to > log me on about 75% of the time. > > I tried Verichat, which was much better, but it costs $30 I believe. > And I > now see that my demo period has expired, so I can't try it (last time > I used > VeriChat was a couple of days before Thanksgiving). > > I'll report back in a bit (running to a meeting). > -- > Sherman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: 93, 93/93 iD8DBQFBt0/Sei4q9cz8GHARAtBqAKDAnEHUxlUDbTppPTVGDLwv3IEIgwCdFrSD 8lcr1SPwD/9jTHIkm7e7WF4= =q6DO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wilcox at unm.edu Wed Dec 8 13:08:14 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] The leading reason I'm stuck waiting...(was Re: Why no explanation from markspace?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/8/04 12:02 PM, "Andrei Freeman" wrote: > This in a nutshell is what keeps me trapped on the sidekick. My wide if > hearing impaired. I work with deaf people and have colleagues that work with deaf people. Yes, the SideKick is great for this, and AIM is a big reason why. Regarding the original question: I just logged onto AIM using the client that ships with the 7100 (which sucks, and it froze on me again the first time I tried to log on). I did get logged on, and I *can* use AIM. I do *not* have BES, I'm in a Mac-only environment. I'm using only the T-Mobile service (the $60 plan that includes 1000 minutes and unlimited data). I have my email forwarded to my BlackBerry. So for me, anyway (Albuquerquem, NM) AIM is working without BES. -- Sherman From emdash at mac.com Wed Dec 8 12:57:40 2004 From: emdash at mac.com (Allan Ayres) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sherman, thanks so much for your info on the 7100t. Your recommendation to the list a while ago has made me seriously consider it. Could you please explain this comment, though: > And a more Mac-like, IMAP compatible email program for the BB. The 7100 email client is not IMAP compatible? So are you saying that it checks your non-tmail accounts via POP3 or some such? What are the consequences of this: messages sent from your 7100 don't show up in your IMAP account, that sort of thing? Or do you literally have to get your IMAP account to forward mail to the tmail account that's tied to the 7100? (I hope I'm making sense here -- I'm home with the flu, so I could be completely delirious.) The IMAP factor was something that got me especially giggly when the Sidekick II was announced... sigh. Thanks very much, --Allan From wilcox at unm.edu Wed Dec 8 15:02:30 2004 From: wilcox at unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) Date: Fri May 6 12:02:34 2005 Subject: [missing-sync-hiptop-talk] Why no explanation from markspace? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/8/04 1:57 PM, "Allan Ayres" wrote: > The 7100 email client is not IMAP compatible? So are you saying that > it checks your non-tmail accounts via POP3 or some such? What are the > consequences of this: messages sent from your 7100 don't show up in > your IMAP account, that sort of thing? > > Or do you literally have to get your IMAP account to forward mail to > the tmail account that's tied to the 7100? When I first got the 7100 I set it up to pop into my university account. The university prefers that we use IMAP, claims they only support IMAP, but in fact I also use my email client (Entourage) in POP mode. I decided I didn't like this system, though, because you can't control how often the 7100 pops. It seemed like it was doing it every 15 minutes or so. So I now have it configured this way: I have all my university mail forwarded to my BlackBerry address (except, as I mentioned previously, I now have some simple filters that exclude certain spam messages from getting forwarded to the 7100). I like this way better because the messages get pushed to the 7100. This happens very fast, typically long before I ever receive it on my Mac (and in fact the 7100 acts to notify me when a new message arrives). It doesn't do IMAP if by that you mean allowing you to see the email folder structure on your IMAP server, move messages into/out of these folders, etc. So: yes, messages sent from the 7100 don't show up in my IMAP account, and yes, I do have to literally have my IMAP account forward mail to the tmo.blackberry.net account. Messages are received twice: once on the 7100, and also on my PowerBook. As I say, this way works fine for me. But if T-Mobile calls this IMAP support, it isn't. -- Sherman