From david.skinner at lmco.com Fri May 14 10:38:19 2004 From: david.skinner at lmco.com (Skinner, David) Date: Fri May 14 09:38:57 2004 Subject: [BA-Rockets] Splashdown '04 event Message-ID: <47BF60A2A5AB3C4898B67142F2064469393686@emss01m15.us.lmco.com> Jack: Sorry I took so long to respond to your message, but I have an idea. Many years ago for a Boy Scout Expo I help with a group that did model rocket launches indoors by stringing a wire from the floor to a fixed point in the rafters of the building we were using. As I recall the height was only about 50-75 ft but we adjusted the size of the motor (which are very consistent) we used to ensure the rocket did not hit the end of the wire and used a minimum delay charge to deploy the chute.The effect was that we accomplished any entier flight sequence with in the vision of the adiance and the rocket returned (by parachute of course) to the exact spot it was launced from. In short it work amazingly well, we flew all day about every 30 min and had no incidents at all. The only modification I woud make is to use a metal launch lug to reduce any wear and tear. I would also recommend setting up prior to the event so that a few test flights could be run to verify the setup. I don't know if the sponsers of the event would consider allowing this, but I do believe it could work (kinda like the new Estes rocket dragster only vertical). O well just a through, Let me know what you think. -----Original Message----- From: ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com [mailto:ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com]On Behalf Of Jack Hagerty Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:03 AM To: announce@lunar.org; ba-rockets@markspace.com; members@aeropac.org Subject: [BA-Rockets] Splashdown '04 event Hi all - I'm sending this note officially to the LUNAR list, but it's also for the BayNAR and AeroPAC members because, as you'll see, we're going to need some manpower! Some of you may remember that we have been invited to participate in the Splashdown '04 event which runs from July 16 to 25 to commemorate the 35th anniversary of the Apollo 11 flight. This 10-day event will be hosted by the USS Hornet museum in Alameda (the Hornet is the ship that recovered both Apollo 11 and 12). I'm putting this bug out early since the event runs 10 days and they would like us to man a table. Even if we can't staff it the whole 10 days (although that would be ideal), we have to keep it stocked with fliers and literature. They can provide us with a TV and DVD player so that we can keep Greg Wong's demo disk running continuously. There is also security so that we can keep models on display (especially Saturn V's, natch). Here's the cool part. They have asked me since the beginning if we could put on some sort of live demo for the weekend shows. This would be every two hours from late morning 'till late afternoon. I said that I couldn't imagine launching rockets off the deck into the bay, but then suggested maybe doing an RC/RG flight. We can launch off the ship athwartship (that means sideways), fly around just off to one side and when the crowd has had enough, bring it back in for a landing on the flight deck! Laura (the lady coordinating this) thought that this was just too cool for words. That means we're going to need quite a few pilots since there are four demos a day (maybe five) for the four weekend days of the event. LUNAR will be glad to pay for your consumables on this. OK everyone, let's mark our calendars and figure out who's going to be showing what, and how we're going to man the tables! - Jack Jack Hagerty, ARA Press www.arapress.com Phone/fax (925) 455-1143 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/ba-rockets/attachments/20040514/27bd4904/attachment.htm From jhagerty at juno.com Sat May 15 00:35:02 2004 From: jhagerty at juno.com (Jack Hagerty) Date: Fri May 14 23:37:04 2004 Subject: [BA-Rockets] Splashdown '04 event Message-ID: <20040514.234027.1116.5.jhagerty@juno.com> On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:38:19 -0700 "Skinner, David" writes: Jack: Sorry I took so long to respond to your message, but I have an idea. Many years ago for a Boy Scout Expo I help with a group that did model rocket launches indoors by stringing a wire from the floor to a fixed point in the rafters of the building we were using. As I recall the height was only about 50-75 ft but we adjusted the size of the motor (which are very consistent) we used to ensure the rocket did not hit the end of the wire and used a minimum delay charge to deploy the chute.The effect was that we accomplished any entire flight sequence with in the vision of the audience and the rocket returned (by parachute of course) to the exact spot it was launched from. In short it work amazingly well, we flew all day about every 30 min and had no incidents at all. The only modification I would make is to use a metal launch lug to reduce any wear and tear. I would also recommend setting up prior to the event so that a few test flights could be run to verify the setup. I don't know if the sponsors of the event would consider allowing this, but I do believe it could work (kinda like the new Estes rocket dragster only vertical). O well just a through, Let me know what you think. Hi David - I'm sure by now you've seen that all pyrotechnics have been banned from this event outside due to an endangered bird that nests near the ship. Inside it will just be too crowded with booths and people. I know this last part because they were going to do an electric RC airplane demo inside. Normally there would be plenty of room on the hangar deck, but not with all the exhibits. I know you point out that there were no incidents, but you should note that the hangar deck is not anywhere near that tall. Maybe down at NASA Ames inside one of the big hangars! - Jack Jack Hagerty, ARA Press www.arapress.com Phone/fax (925) 455-1143 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/ba-rockets/attachments/20040514/8c2d7956/attachment.htm From david.skinner at lmco.com Fri May 14 10:38:19 2004 From: david.skinner at lmco.com (Skinner, David) Date: Fri May 6 12:01:52 2005 Subject: [BA-Rockets] Splashdown '04 event Message-ID: <47BF60A2A5AB3C4898B67142F2064469393686@emss01m15.us.lmco.com> Jack: Sorry I took so long to respond to your message, but I have an idea. Many years ago for a Boy Scout Expo I help with a group that did model rocket launches indoors by stringing a wire from the floor to a fixed point in the rafters of the building we were using. As I recall the height was only about 50-75 ft but we adjusted the size of the motor (which are very consistent) we used to ensure the rocket did not hit the end of the wire and used a minimum delay charge to deploy the chute.The effect was that we accomplished any entier flight sequence with in the vision of the adiance and the rocket returned (by parachute of course) to the exact spot it was launced from. In short it work amazingly well, we flew all day about every 30 min and had no incidents at all. The only modification I woud make is to use a metal launch lug to reduce any wear and tear. I would also recommend setting up prior to the event so that a few test flights could be run to verify the setup. I don't know if the sponsers of the event would consider allowing this, but I do believe it could work (kinda like the new Estes rocket dragster only vertical). O well just a through, Let me know what you think. -----Original Message----- From: ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com [mailto:ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com]On Behalf Of Jack Hagerty Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:03 AM To: announce@lunar.org; ba-rockets@markspace.com; members@aeropac.org Subject: [BA-Rockets] Splashdown '04 event Hi all - I'm sending this note officially to the LUNAR list, but it's also for the BayNAR and AeroPAC members because, as you'll see, we're going to need some manpower! Some of you may remember that we have been invited to participate in the Splashdown '04 event which runs from July 16 to 25 to commemorate the 35th anniversary of the Apollo 11 flight. This 10-day event will be hosted by the USS Hornet museum in Alameda (the Hornet is the ship that recovered both Apollo 11 and 12). I'm putting this bug out early since the event runs 10 days and they would like us to man a table. Even if we can't staff it the whole 10 days (although that would be ideal), we have to keep it stocked with fliers and literature. They can provide us with a TV and DVD player so that we can keep Greg Wong's demo disk running continuously. There is also security so that we can keep models on display (especially Saturn V's, natch). Here's the cool part. They have asked me since the beginning if we could put on some sort of live demo for the weekend shows. This would be every two hours from late morning 'till late afternoon. I said that I couldn't imagine launching rockets off the deck into the bay, but then suggested maybe doing an RC/RG flight. We can launch off the ship athwartship (that means sideways), fly around just off to one side and when the crowd has had enough, bring it back in for a landing on the flight deck! Laura (the lady coordinating this) thought that this was just too cool for words. That means we're going to need quite a few pilots since there are four demos a day (maybe five) for the four weekend days of the event. LUNAR will be glad to pay for your consumables on this. OK everyone, let's mark our calendars and figure out who's going to be showing what, and how we're going to man the tables! - Jack Jack Hagerty, ARA Press www.arapress.com Phone/fax (925) 455-1143 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/ba-rockets/attachments/20040514/27bd4904/attachment-0002.htm From jhagerty at juno.com Sat May 15 00:35:02 2004 From: jhagerty at juno.com (Jack Hagerty) Date: Fri May 6 12:01:52 2005 Subject: [BA-Rockets] Splashdown '04 event Message-ID: <20040514.234027.1116.5.jhagerty@juno.com> On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:38:19 -0700 "Skinner, David" writes: Jack: Sorry I took so long to respond to your message, but I have an idea. Many years ago for a Boy Scout Expo I help with a group that did model rocket launches indoors by stringing a wire from the floor to a fixed point in the rafters of the building we were using. As I recall the height was only about 50-75 ft but we adjusted the size of the motor (which are very consistent) we used to ensure the rocket did not hit the end of the wire and used a minimum delay charge to deploy the chute.The effect was that we accomplished any entire flight sequence with in the vision of the audience and the rocket returned (by parachute of course) to the exact spot it was launched from. In short it work amazingly well, we flew all day about every 30 min and had no incidents at all. The only modification I would make is to use a metal launch lug to reduce any wear and tear. I would also recommend setting up prior to the event so that a few test flights could be run to verify the setup. I don't know if the sponsors of the event would consider allowing this, but I do believe it could work (kinda like the new Estes rocket dragster only vertical). O well just a through, Let me know what you think. Hi David - I'm sure by now you've seen that all pyrotechnics have been banned from this event outside due to an endangered bird that nests near the ship. Inside it will just be too crowded with booths and people. I know this last part because they were going to do an electric RC airplane demo inside. Normally there would be plenty of room on the hangar deck, but not with all the exhibits. I know you point out that there were no incidents, but you should note that the hangar deck is not anywhere near that tall. Maybe down at NASA Ames inside one of the big hangars! - Jack Jack Hagerty, ARA Press www.arapress.com Phone/fax (925) 455-1143 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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