From jhagerty at juno.com Fri Apr 9 01:02:51 2004 From: jhagerty at juno.com (Jack Hagerty) Date: Fri Apr 9 00:04:52 2004 Subject: [BA-Rockets] Splashdown '04 event Message-ID: <20040409.000740.1116.2.jhagerty@juno.com> Hi all - I'm sending this note officially to the LUNAR list, but it's also for the BayNAR and AeroPAC members because, as you'll see, we're going to need some manpower! Some of you may remember that we have been invited to participate in the Splashdown '04 event which runs from July 16 to 25 to commemorate the 35th anniversary of the Apollo 11 flight. This 10-day event will be hosted by the USS Hornet museum in Alameda (the Hornet is the ship that recovered both Apollo 11 and 12). I'm putting this bug out early since the event runs 10 days and they would like us to man a table. Even if we can't staff it the whole 10 days (although that would be ideal), we have to keep it stocked with fliers and literature. They can provide us with a TV and DVD player so that we can keep Greg Wong's demo disk running continuously. There is also security so that we can keep models on display (especially Saturn V's, natch). Here's the cool part. They have asked me since the beginning if we could put on some sort of live demo for the weekend shows. This would be every two hours from late morning 'till late afternoon. I said that I couldn't imagine launching rockets off the deck into the bay, but then suggested maybe doing an RC/RG flight. We can launch off the ship athwartship (that means sideways), fly around just off to one side and when the crowd has had enough, bring it back in for a landing on the flight deck! Laura (the lady coordinating this) thought that this was just too cool for words. That means we're going to need quite a few pilots since there are four demos a day (maybe five) for the four weekend days of the event. LUNAR will be glad to pay for your consumables on this. OK everyone, let's mark our calendars and figure out who's going to be showing what, and how we're going to man the tables! - Jack Jack Hagerty, ARA Press www.arapress.com Phone/fax (925) 455-1143 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/ba-rockets/attachments/20040409/aa0a682b/attachment.htm From crs at mtrad.com Sat Apr 10 21:17:09 2004 From: crs at mtrad.com (Craig R. Saunders) Date: Sat Apr 10 20:08:27 2004 Subject: [BA-Rockets] NAR Observer for TARC Launch Sunday Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040410195116.01bea850@mail.mtrad.com> Sorry to bother everyone but I'm stuck with a problem and need help... The last TARC launch for the 2004 TARC competition will be held tomorrrow morning at Robertson Park from 9-12. I'll be there to RSO and observe any TARC teams that want to fly. The problem is that I can't sign off on the San Ramon TARC team as I'm their mentor and father of a team-member. If there's a senior NAR member who can be there just from 11am to noon to observe the SRVHS team's last qualification flight, it would really be appreciated. These guys have worked really hard and it would be a shame if they couldn't make the finals just because we couldn't get an observer. Please call me any time - my cell # is 925-324-2400. Thanks, Craig From crs at mtrad.com Sat Apr 10 23:42:28 2004 From: crs at mtrad.com (Craig R. Saunders) Date: Sat Apr 10 22:33:44 2004 Subject: [BA-Rockets] Re: NAR Observer for TARC Launch Sunday In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040410195116.01bea850@mail.mtrad.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040410224039.03948958@mail.mtrad.com> LUNAR is a great community! Tony (Cheryl & family) and David said they would be there on Sunday, so we're covered. But we also got numerous other folks offering to come by if we needed them! Thanks for all the offers, Craig At 08:17 PM 4/10/2004, Craig R. Saunders wrote: >Sorry to bother everyone but I'm stuck with a problem and need help... > >The last TARC launch for the 2004 TARC competition will be held tomorrrow >morning at Robertson >Park from 9-12. I'll be there to RSO and observe any TARC teams that want >to fly. > >The problem is that I can't sign off on the San Ramon TARC team as I'm >their mentor and >father of a team-member. > >If there's a senior NAR member who can be there just from 11am to noon to >observe the SRVHS >team's last qualification flight, it would really be appreciated. These >guys have worked really >hard and it would be a shame if they couldn't make the finals just because >we couldn't get >an observer. > >Please call me any time - my cell # is 925-324-2400. > >Thanks, >Craig From tlent at igc.org Mon Apr 26 23:40:25 2004 From: tlent at igc.org (Tom Lent) Date: Mon Apr 26 22:40:35 2004 Subject: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info In-Reply-To: <20040312234629.31575.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c42c1a$242f7bc0$210110ac@TOM> There are SOME places in the Bay area where you can launch small (A & B, maybe C) engine rockets under significant restrictions, without a club or fire marshal approval yes? The place I'm thinking of is the Berkeley Marina area near the sign that lays out the rules on two weekend mornings a month(I can't remember exactly which ones but could check). -Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com > [mailto:ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of > Carl Reisinger > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:46 PM > To: Bay Area Model Rockets Discussion List > Subject: Re: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info > > > --- Fred TeTemplinosprey67@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am a newcomer to the mailing list, and seeking > > BaBaynarlub and > > rocket launch site info (for both club-sponsored and individual > > launching). > > > > > > Fred, > Because of the construction activity at, and the end > results of that construction, DeAnza College is has > become unsafe to launch from their parking lots > (something BayNAR has done for over 20 years). > > While the club leadership have been searching for over > three years now there is currently no replacememt. I > no longer count myself amoung the "club leadership" so > I cannot give any status on any leads they may be > following. > > For club launches you should check into LUNAR, http/www.lunar.org. > > As for individual launching: > It is illegal in CA to launch a model rocket without a > permit from the AHJ (read local Fire Marshall). It has > been our experence that no South Bay Fire Marshall is > willing to give such a permit to an individual. > Directing them instead to the local club (sigh, that > would be BayNAR). > > Now before you decide that you will not "get caught" I > have two things I would like to say: > 1) It is because others ignore the law (The CA > fireworks code) that BayNAR, and many other clubs, has > had such difficulty in finding a new site. It is not > the only reason but one that comes up quite often. > 2) If you do "get caught" you could be - > Convicted of a misdemeanor with the possibility of a > fine of between $500 and $1000 and up to one year in > the county jail. (That is right from the fireworks > code) > > Now, I am not going to track you down and stop you > from launching without a permit but I do ask that you > think about it before doing so and hopefully make the > right choice. > > Carl Reisinger > ex-President, BayNAR > > -- > >From ba-rockets. > Visit our home page at http://www.baynar.org > To change your subscription, visit http://www.markspace.com/lists.html > From ce_reisinger at yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 23:56:16 2004 From: ce_reisinger at yahoo.com (Carl Reisinger) Date: Mon Apr 26 22:56:19 2004 Subject: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info In-Reply-To: <000901c42c1a$242f7bc0$210110ac@TOM> References: <000901c42c1a$242f7bc0$210110ac@TOM> Message-ID: <408DF600.8070009@yahoo.com> Tom Lent wrote: >There are SOME places in the Bay area where you can launch small (A & B, maybe C) engine rockets >under significant restrictions, without a club or fire marshal approval yes? > No, as I stated in my message, it is part of the CA fireworks code. One must have permission from the AHJ (aka Fire Marshall) in order to launch model rockets. One does not need a club sponsored launch, its just that in most cases (not all) a club has an easier go at obtaining a permit. An example of places that it would not be a Fire Marshall that is the AHJ is federal government land. Say, NASA/Ames or Camp Parks. In these cases it would be up to the safety and/or facilities group to grant permission. >The place I'm thinking >of is the Berkeley Marina area near the sign that lays out the rules on two weekend mornings a >month(I can't remember exactly which ones but could check). > > That site was lost 3 or 4 years ago. When it did happen it was a AMA sponsored launch run, at times, by Paul Campbell. >-Tom > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com >>[mailto:ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of >>Carl Reisinger >>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:46 PM >>To: Bay Area Model Rockets Discussion List >>Subject: Re: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info >> >> >>--- Fred TeTemplinosprey67@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I am a newcomer to the mailing list, and seeking >>>BaBaynarlub and >>>rocket launch site info (for both club-sponsored and individual >>>launching). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Fred, >>Because of the construction activity at, and the end >>results of that construction, DeAnza College is has >>become unsafe to launch from their parking lots >>(something BayNAR has done for over 20 years). >> >>While the club leadership have been searching for over >>three years now there is currently no replacememt. I >>no longer count myself amoung the "club leadership" so >>I cannot give any status on any leads they may be >>following. >> >>For club launches you should check into LUNAR, http/www.lunar.org. >> >>As for individual launching: >>It is illegal in CA to launch a model rocket without a >>permit from the AHJ (read local Fire Marshall). It has >>been our experence that no South Bay Fire Marshall is >>willing to give such a permit to an individual. >>Directing them instead to the local club (sigh, that >>would be BayNAR). >> >>Now before you decide that you will not "get caught" I >>have two things I would like to say: >>1) It is because others ignore the law (The CA >>fireworks code) that BayNAR, and many other clubs, has >>had such difficulty in finding a new site. It is not >>the only reason but one that comes up quite often. >>2) If you do "get caught" you could be - >>Convicted of a misdemeanor with the possibility of a >>fine of between $500 and $1000 and up to one year in >>the county jail. (That is right from the fireworks >>code) >> >>Now, I am not going to track you down and stop you >>from launching without a permit but I do ask that you >>think about it before doing so and hopefully make the >>right choice. >> >>Carl Reisinger >>ex-President, BayNAR >> >>-- >>>From ba-rockets. >>Visit our home page at http://www.baynar.org >>To change your subscription, visit http://www.markspace.com/lists.html >> >> >> > >-- >>From ba-rockets. >Visit our home page at http://www.baynar.org >To change your subscription, visit http://www.markspace.com/lists.html > > > From tlent at igc.org Wed Apr 28 14:17:00 2004 From: tlent at igc.org (Tom Lent) Date: Wed Apr 28 13:17:03 2004 Subject: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info In-Reply-To: <408DF600.8070009@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401c42d5d$c3b2a610$210110ac@TOM> > >The place I'm thinking > >of is the Berkeley Marina area near the sign that lays out > the rules on > >two weekend mornings a month (I can't remember exactly which ones but > >could check). > > > > > That site was lost 3 or 4 years ago. When it did happen it was a AMA > sponsored launch run, at times, by Paul Campbell. Interesting. If they intended to shut the Berkeley Marina site down, they never removed the sign. Do you know why the site was lost and who made the decision? And do you mean that it is actually illegal to launch there even if you are working within the parameters posted there on the Berkeley Parks sign? Has anyone communicated with Berkeley Parks and Rec specifically about this signed site? My son and I have launched many As & Bs there on weekend mornings in the past few years, sometimes with park personnel present in the area. It is not relevant to us anymore as my son has moved on to bigger stuff and only launches at Livermore and other club sites now but I continue to see people launching near that sign, as it appears to give explicit permission. -Tom From jhagerty at juno.com Fri Apr 9 01:02:51 2004 From: jhagerty at juno.com (Jack Hagerty) Date: Fri May 6 12:01:52 2005 Subject: [BA-Rockets] Splashdown '04 event Message-ID: <20040409.000740.1116.2.jhagerty@juno.com> Hi all - I'm sending this note officially to the LUNAR list, but it's also for the BayNAR and AeroPAC members because, as you'll see, we're going to need some manpower! Some of you may remember that we have been invited to participate in the Splashdown '04 event which runs from July 16 to 25 to commemorate the 35th anniversary of the Apollo 11 flight. This 10-day event will be hosted by the USS Hornet museum in Alameda (the Hornet is the ship that recovered both Apollo 11 and 12). I'm putting this bug out early since the event runs 10 days and they would like us to man a table. Even if we can't staff it the whole 10 days (although that would be ideal), we have to keep it stocked with fliers and literature. They can provide us with a TV and DVD player so that we can keep Greg Wong's demo disk running continuously. There is also security so that we can keep models on display (especially Saturn V's, natch). Here's the cool part. They have asked me since the beginning if we could put on some sort of live demo for the weekend shows. This would be every two hours from late morning 'till late afternoon. I said that I couldn't imagine launching rockets off the deck into the bay, but then suggested maybe doing an RC/RG flight. We can launch off the ship athwartship (that means sideways), fly around just off to one side and when the crowd has had enough, bring it back in for a landing on the flight deck! Laura (the lady coordinating this) thought that this was just too cool for words. That means we're going to need quite a few pilots since there are four demos a day (maybe five) for the four weekend days of the event. LUNAR will be glad to pay for your consumables on this. OK everyone, let's mark our calendars and figure out who's going to be showing what, and how we're going to man the tables! - Jack Jack Hagerty, ARA Press www.arapress.com Phone/fax (925) 455-1143 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.markspace.com/pipermail/ba-rockets/attachments/20040409/aa0a682b/attachment-0002.htm From crs at mtrad.com Sat Apr 10 21:17:09 2004 From: crs at mtrad.com (Craig R. Saunders) Date: Fri May 6 12:01:52 2005 Subject: [BA-Rockets] NAR Observer for TARC Launch Sunday Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040410195116.01bea850@mail.mtrad.com> Sorry to bother everyone but I'm stuck with a problem and need help... The last TARC launch for the 2004 TARC competition will be held tomorrrow morning at Robertson Park from 9-12. I'll be there to RSO and observe any TARC teams that want to fly. The problem is that I can't sign off on the San Ramon TARC team as I'm their mentor and father of a team-member. If there's a senior NAR member who can be there just from 11am to noon to observe the SRVHS team's last qualification flight, it would really be appreciated. These guys have worked really hard and it would be a shame if they couldn't make the finals just because we couldn't get an observer. Please call me any time - my cell # is 925-324-2400. Thanks, Craig From crs at mtrad.com Sat Apr 10 23:42:28 2004 From: crs at mtrad.com (Craig R. Saunders) Date: Fri May 6 12:01:52 2005 Subject: [BA-Rockets] Re: NAR Observer for TARC Launch Sunday In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040410195116.01bea850@mail.mtrad.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040410224039.03948958@mail.mtrad.com> LUNAR is a great community! Tony (Cheryl & family) and David said they would be there on Sunday, so we're covered. But we also got numerous other folks offering to come by if we needed them! Thanks for all the offers, Craig At 08:17 PM 4/10/2004, Craig R. Saunders wrote: >Sorry to bother everyone but I'm stuck with a problem and need help... > >The last TARC launch for the 2004 TARC competition will be held tomorrrow >morning at Robertson >Park from 9-12. I'll be there to RSO and observe any TARC teams that want >to fly. > >The problem is that I can't sign off on the San Ramon TARC team as I'm >their mentor and >father of a team-member. > >If there's a senior NAR member who can be there just from 11am to noon to >observe the SRVHS >team's last qualification flight, it would really be appreciated. These >guys have worked really >hard and it would be a shame if they couldn't make the finals just because >we couldn't get >an observer. > >Please call me any time - my cell # is 925-324-2400. > >Thanks, >Craig From tlent at igc.org Mon Apr 26 23:40:25 2004 From: tlent at igc.org (Tom Lent) Date: Fri May 6 12:01:52 2005 Subject: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info In-Reply-To: <20040312234629.31575.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c42c1a$242f7bc0$210110ac@TOM> There are SOME places in the Bay area where you can launch small (A & B, maybe C) engine rockets under significant restrictions, without a club or fire marshal approval yes? The place I'm thinking of is the Berkeley Marina area near the sign that lays out the rules on two weekend mornings a month(I can't remember exactly which ones but could check). -Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com > [mailto:ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of > Carl Reisinger > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:46 PM > To: Bay Area Model Rockets Discussion List > Subject: Re: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info > > > --- Fred TeTemplinosprey67@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am a newcomer to the mailing list, and seeking > > BaBaynarlub and > > rocket launch site info (for both club-sponsored and individual > > launching). > > > > > > Fred, > Because of the construction activity at, and the end > results of that construction, DeAnza College is has > become unsafe to launch from their parking lots > (something BayNAR has done for over 20 years). > > While the club leadership have been searching for over > three years now there is currently no replacememt. I > no longer count myself amoung the "club leadership" so > I cannot give any status on any leads they may be > following. > > For club launches you should check into LUNAR, http/www.lunar.org. > > As for individual launching: > It is illegal in CA to launch a model rocket without a > permit from the AHJ (read local Fire Marshall). It has > been our experence that no South Bay Fire Marshall is > willing to give such a permit to an individual. > Directing them instead to the local club (sigh, that > would be BayNAR). > > Now before you decide that you will not "get caught" I > have two things I would like to say: > 1) It is because others ignore the law (The CA > fireworks code) that BayNAR, and many other clubs, has > had such difficulty in finding a new site. It is not > the only reason but one that comes up quite often. > 2) If you do "get caught" you could be - > Convicted of a misdemeanor with the possibility of a > fine of between $500 and $1000 and up to one year in > the county jail. (That is right from the fireworks > code) > > Now, I am not going to track you down and stop you > from launching without a permit but I do ask that you > think about it before doing so and hopefully make the > right choice. > > Carl Reisinger > ex-President, BayNAR > > -- > >From ba-rockets. > Visit our home page at http://www.baynar.org > To change your subscription, visit http://www.markspace.com/lists.html > From ce_reisinger at yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 23:56:16 2004 From: ce_reisinger at yahoo.com (Carl Reisinger) Date: Fri May 6 12:01:52 2005 Subject: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info In-Reply-To: <000901c42c1a$242f7bc0$210110ac@TOM> References: <000901c42c1a$242f7bc0$210110ac@TOM> Message-ID: <408DF600.8070009@yahoo.com> Tom Lent wrote: >There are SOME places in the Bay area where you can launch small (A & B, maybe C) engine rockets >under significant restrictions, without a club or fire marshal approval yes? > No, as I stated in my message, it is part of the CA fireworks code. One must have permission from the AHJ (aka Fire Marshall) in order to launch model rockets. One does not need a club sponsored launch, its just that in most cases (not all) a club has an easier go at obtaining a permit. An example of places that it would not be a Fire Marshall that is the AHJ is federal government land. Say, NASA/Ames or Camp Parks. In these cases it would be up to the safety and/or facilities group to grant permission. >The place I'm thinking >of is the Berkeley Marina area near the sign that lays out the rules on two weekend mornings a >month(I can't remember exactly which ones but could check). > > That site was lost 3 or 4 years ago. When it did happen it was a AMA sponsored launch run, at times, by Paul Campbell. >-Tom > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com >>[mailto:ba-rockets-bounces@lists.markspace.com] On Behalf Of >>Carl Reisinger >>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:46 PM >>To: Bay Area Model Rockets Discussion List >>Subject: Re: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info >> >> >>--- Fred TeTemplinosprey67@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I am a newcomer to the mailing list, and seeking >>>BaBaynarlub and >>>rocket launch site info (for both club-sponsored and individual >>>launching). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Fred, >>Because of the construction activity at, and the end >>results of that construction, DeAnza College is has >>become unsafe to launch from their parking lots >>(something BayNAR has done for over 20 years). >> >>While the club leadership have been searching for over >>three years now there is currently no replacememt. I >>no longer count myself amoung the "club leadership" so >>I cannot give any status on any leads they may be >>following. >> >>For club launches you should check into LUNAR, http/www.lunar.org. >> >>As for individual launching: >>It is illegal in CA to launch a model rocket without a >>permit from the AHJ (read local Fire Marshall). It has >>been our experence that no South Bay Fire Marshall is >>willing to give such a permit to an individual. >>Directing them instead to the local club (sigh, that >>would be BayNAR). >> >>Now before you decide that you will not "get caught" I >>have two things I would like to say: >>1) It is because others ignore the law (The CA >>fireworks code) that BayNAR, and many other clubs, has >>had such difficulty in finding a new site. It is not >>the only reason but one that comes up quite often. >>2) If you do "get caught" you could be - >>Convicted of a misdemeanor with the possibility of a >>fine of between $500 and $1000 and up to one year in >>the county jail. (That is right from the fireworks >>code) >> >>Now, I am not going to track you down and stop you >>from launching without a permit but I do ask that you >>think about it before doing so and hopefully make the >>right choice. >> >>Carl Reisinger >>ex-President, BayNAR >> >>-- >>>From ba-rockets. >>Visit our home page at http://www.baynar.org >>To change your subscription, visit http://www.markspace.com/lists.html >> >> >> > >-- >>From ba-rockets. >Visit our home page at http://www.baynar.org >To change your subscription, visit http://www.markspace.com/lists.html > > > From tlent at igc.org Wed Apr 28 14:17:00 2004 From: tlent at igc.org (Tom Lent) Date: Fri May 6 12:01:52 2005 Subject: [BA-Rockets] newcomer seeking club; launch site info In-Reply-To: <408DF600.8070009@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401c42d5d$c3b2a610$210110ac@TOM> > >The place I'm thinking > >of is the Berkeley Marina area near the sign that lays out > the rules on > >two weekend mornings a month (I can't remember exactly which ones but > >could check). > > > > > That site was lost 3 or 4 years ago. When it did happen it was a AMA > sponsored launch run, at times, by Paul Campbell. Interesting. If they intended to shut the Berkeley Marina site down, they never removed the sign. Do you know why the site was lost and who made the decision? And do you mean that it is actually illegal to launch there even if you are working within the parameters posted there on the Berkeley Parks sign? Has anyone communicated with Berkeley Parks and Rec specifically about this signed site? My son and I have launched many As & Bs there on weekend mornings in the past few years, sometimes with park personnel present in the area. It is not relevant to us anymore as my son has moved on to bigger stuff and only launches at Livermore and other club sites now but I continue to see people launching near that sign, as it appears to give explicit permission. -Tom